View Full Version : Thoughts about the Machine
05-13-2011, 07:25 PM
I had a few thoughts regarding the machine while trying to put a visual timeline together.
First, Walter sent a machine back in 2026, and this is the machine that was rebuilt in 2011. So what happened to that machine? Did it get destroyed, or did it live on to 2026, and that was the machine Walter took apart and sent back through time (otherwise, there would be two machines in 2026).
If this is the case - who made the machine? It seems to exists on its own, without any need for creation. It's in 2026 because it was built in 2011, and it's in 2011 because the pieces were sent back from 2026.
Second, what happened with the bridge? It would seem both machines merged together. What does this mean?
10-27-2011, 12:38 PM
in 2026, when one of the terrorist bombs exploded, they found in the remains of the explosion some material from 250 millions of years ago. That meant that, while 'destroying the integrity of the universe', a bomb could also open some kind of time window from now to millions of years before men.
Walter then concluded the obvious: it was him who, taking that chance to fix things, created the machine and sent back in time along with the "instructions". Maybe he didn't have control on where would it send the parts, so the machine had to somehow be found and put together by humanity like any other archeological finding (accomplished by the Sam Weiss family and generations of ancestors) to save both universes.
What the machine really does is: 1) creates a bridge around it where the 2 universes coexist and 2) it probably contains the memory of Peter's already lived timeline between 2011 and the year the machine was sent back, so every time he steps into the machine he can see (live, for all matters) how things went after 2011. The last time we saw him he was trying to explain this to both Walters. There's no first people who could predict the future, or magically link the machine to Peter and Olivia. There's only Walter, who had to create the machine to fit Olivia and Peter. No magic, only science always.
The series doesn't need to effectively wait until Walter sends the machine, because since it was the obvious solution, it was a matter of time until Walter built and sent the machine at some point in the future. Or, most probably, since the machine itself allows the coexistence of both Walters in 2011, the machine itself could be the product of their work together. So, it's already done, the machine has always existed since 250 mi. years ago.
See, Peter came out from the machine to explain everything. He said to both Walters that they had to work together to fix things. Probably he would have explained that the machine was both geniuses' idea, that they worked together and ended up with that, how they created the instructions and the casings that would bring the parts to the future and all that... but then he dissappeared. That part is another whole topic.
10-27-2011, 01:06 PM
My understanding is that 2 The Machines were originally one and split-off into 2 when the universe split into the Blue/Redverse. That's part of why they are quantum entangled, and with the creation of the bridge room they have merged back together. Which is part of the whole balancing the equation out, but as we know, since Peter didn't get fully erased off like he was supposed to (and even that was The Observers reacting to him still existing when by their understanding he shouldn't) balance is far off.
The Redverse didn't build The Machine or write The First People stuff. They have that stuff because the Redverse was originally the same Verse as the Blueverse till we split from each other. Which is why Walternate took as long as he did to get things going, and the only reason he was able to understand ANY of it at all was because he thinks similarly to Walter (the man we are lead to believe made The Machine and wrote The First People stuff).
Alter your Timeline so that 2026 isn't just "the future" of the Blueverse. Because it's not anymore, it is the future, but it's also yet another reality split off (the Grey opening sequence wasn't just to tell us it's the future, and colored openings aside, that's what it is)
I think speculating on what "The Machine really does" is good, because I for one believe it DOES NOT work as advertised. But be careful in straight out saying "this is how it works" because we really don't know what it can do outside what we've seen it do and been told it can do (and those two things don't match up lol). And for all we know Bell is part of the reason as to why that is. If we remember that MD had the blueprints and Nina recognized it as "Bell's Technology, but he never built it." That right there is Bell taking advantage of his knowledge of the paradoxical loop and other realities selfishly. Whether Walter built it alone or Bell helped, Bell clearly used the loop to make The Machine HIS. It's like Star Trek: Voyage Home in which the guy that History recorded as the inventor of the special alloy of was just guy that the crew told how to make it.
I don't think that The Machine contains Peter's memories. But rather allows him to access the infinite number of parallel worlds where different choices have been made (I'm of the opinion that when Peter murdered those shapeshifters so nonchalantly after touching The Machine, it was actually a different choice/timeline Peter doing it). Whether he wants to or not. I'd be interested to see a Peter that truly understands how to use The Machine, like not just what someone else told him to do. I mean his favorite book is "If You Meet Buddha on the Road Kill Him" and he's all about finding the answers within yourself. Which is sort of what he did in Day We Died if you think about it. Oh and that said, now that we are literally going to have The Second Coming of Peter Bishop. And they've really slathered those christ metaphors on while giving him special knowledge no one else has. So what is Peter gonna do?
[I'm breezing through a bit, if you want factual quotes and proof on anything lemme know and I'll come back and add it]
10-01-2012, 03:00 AM
The Observers made the machine and sent it into the past (they are the first people) so that in the future the two time lines (red and blue) would build them not knowing that the Observers were even involved. They did this as a FAIL SAFE to and MISTAKES that THEY MIGHT MAKE IN THE TIME LINE so that they would not lose their future homes.
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