The Fifth, Sixth, Seventh... Etc. Dimensions

[ShogunOrta]

Alright, this is just a thought that popped into my head. In term of physical phenomena, especially that dealing with perceptions and dimensions, the show has covered all 4 dimensions, which includes the dimension of time. But also given the existence of the Redverse, that phenomena covers the 5th Dimension as well for Fringe. (As far as I know, the 5th dimension is when other parallel universes are made but are still encapsulated inside time). So what if the phenomena that saves the day and solves the whole Peter paradox has something to do with the next Sixth - at least Eleventh Dimensions?

I ask this because I watched this video on youtube a while back:
YouTube - ‪The Dimensions Explained‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY_ZgAvXsuw)

You know, no real evidence to suggest that they would utilize any of that stuff into story elements. But if they did, and somehow didn't make it uber convoluted, I'd think it'd be freakin awesome! Just saying, more ammo for our new fangled theories.

[Omniscient_Jay]

Rob Bryanton's videos are all excellent; I would highly suggest them to anyone looking to explore thought-provoking concepts.:happy15:

By the framework presented in the above video, the Fringe story would indeed take place on a fifth dimensional scale. I'm hesitant to say that the solution to the Paradox resides in six or higher dimensions, though, as things become more complex (and in a way, more meaningless) the higher you progress.

I have used the concepts of multiple dimensions extensively in my theorizing on these boards; they are a useful tool in trying to understand and explain the nature of the Fringe world.

In any case, its always fun to view Fringe through the filter of Quantum Mechanics.:D

[Lij]

Would not a five dimension multiverse be the 'holder' of all four dimensional universes, such as the Bluverse, Redverse, and their parallels? The 6th throught the 11th dimensions are supposedly balled up in the structure of the atom according to M/string theory - or am I wrong about that?

That is why I've always held this funky idea that the Observers were 5 dimensional beings with the abilities to move between all universes.

[Omniscient_Jay]

Would not a five dimension multiverse be the 'holder' of all four dimensional universes, such as the Bluverse, Redverse, and their parallels? The 6th throught the 11th dimensions are supposedly balled up in the structure of the atom according to M/string theory - or am I wrong about that?

That is why I've always held this funky idea that the Observers were 5 dimensional beings with the abilities to move between all universes.

No, you are right; it is simply that Bryanton proposes an alternate way of visualizing the hierarchy of spatial dimensions (his explanation is rooted in the Everett Many-Worlds Interpretation, if that helps put the video into context).

I agree that the Observers would be able to traverse 5D space (as they have been shown to not be limited to singular 4D timelines). However, the degree by which the writers have borrowed from Quantum Mechanics can vary, so while they might have integrated some elements of QM/M-theory/etc., they still may have constructed a system of their own.

It would be pretty epic if they do use QM in their final explanations of the Fringe multiverse, though.:D:hope:

[ShogunOrta]

Well, in my opinion they already are using QM in the story line. Multiverse dimensions is a very QM subject matter. Look up the quantum slit experiment or quantum gun experiment. You just have to realize QM and multi dimensions is the same thing. Which yall do :happy15:

But yeah, if they went even further and somehow worked in elements of the particle or wave phenomenon, then I'd have to tip my hat. We'll see!

[VagendasEndHere]

Would not a five dimension multiverse be the 'holder' of all four dimensional universes, such as the Bluverse, Redverse, and their parallels? The 6th throught the 11th dimensions are supposedly balled up in the structure of the atom according to M/string theory - or am I wrong about that?

That is why I've always held this funky idea that the Observers were 5 dimensional beings with the abilities to move between all universes.

Pretty much the way I see it, also. And being able to "see" :observer: all possibilities does not indicate, according to the theories described in this video, that one can determine which possibility will come to pass. :D


Well, in my opinion they already are using QM in the story line. Multiverse dimensions is a very QM subject matter. Look up the quantum slit experiment or quantum gun experiment. You just have to realize QM and multi dimensions is the same thing. Which yall do :happy15:

But yeah, if they went even further and somehow worked in elements of the particle or wave phenomenon, then I'd have to tip my hat. We'll see!

They've already touched on quantum entanglement theory, and have basically made it integral to the storyline by now :happy15:

[marc_lev]

I feel as if the Producers have been very apparent in letting the viewers know they think about the overall "connectedness" of the Fringe!verse in terms of QM. Most specifically, the Observers and their abilities. They are living in the 5th, but can perceive all of linear time (the 4th dimension) at any given time. And apparently, travel through it. But they can jump universes too, maybe making them even higher-dimensional beings? :confused0006:

[Residents Fan]

I feel as if the Producers have been very apparent in letting the viewers know they think about the overall "connectedness" of the Fringe!verse in terms of QM. Most specifically, the Observers and their abilities. They are living in the 5th, but can perceive all of linear time (the 4th dimension) at any given time. And apparently, travel through it. But they can jump universes too, maybe making them even higher-dimensional beings? :confused0006:

I think this might be why Astrid wasn't able to understand the Observer's
writing in "August"- it was designed to be read by people who could perceive
dimensions other than the four ones humans can perceive.

[Omniscient_Jay]

I think this might be why Astrid wasn't able to understand the Observer's
writing in "August"- it was designed to be read by people who could perceive
dimensions other than the four ones humans can perceive.

That's a theory I have also come to entertain.

Their writing is essentially a 4D script. It takes many symbols from various cultures in time (from potentially many realities), and the code is not based on letters, but how these symbols evolve and change as time progresses.

I would love this to be revealed at some point.:happy15::hope:

[Residents Fan]

That's a theory I have also come to entertain.

Their writing is essentially a 4D script. It takes many symbols from various cultures in time (from potentially many realities), and the code is not based on letters, but how these symbols evolve and change as time progresses.

I would love this to be revealed at some point.:happy15::hope:

That is a very clever idea. :happy15: If the Observers exist outside the normal flow of time, it makes sense that their writing could be based on symbols that represent different ideas at different points in time.

[Omniscient_Jay]

That is a very clever idea. :happy15: If the Observers exist outside the normal flow of time, it makes sense that their writing could be based on symbols that represent different ideas at different points in time.

Also, I had another thought in which they have constructed a sort of temporal algorithm that dictates how the symbols "evolve" over time.

In any case, it's an attractive idea. I hope to see it implement it at some point.

Although, I was hoping Weiss would turn out to be an immortal remnant of an extinct race, so perhaps my hopes are ill-placed.:P

[dolemite]

walter was able to decode the message

he speaks 5th universe?

[Omniscient_Jay]

walter was able to decode the message

he speaks 5th universe?

The code August created was specifically made so that only Walter would be able to decode it (using the likeness of a nitrogen molecule, no less). He did this because he foresaw that the others would attempt to correct Christine Hollis, and he knew he would need Walter's help in these matters.

That it was readable by humans was therefore by design, and the Observer Code would otherwise be indecipherable.

[austeane]

HOLY SH*T. Didn't read anything yet but just watched the video. Mind=Blown. I understood it. Barely.

[Skunky]

well the 5th dimension represents all the different choices that can be made & create the diffferent universe's - so they would have to be 6th dimensional to be able to travel between the 5th dimenion's.

it also means that there are lots of other alternative universe's that they could suck peter back from^^

do u think the observer's are alien's or engineered?

If u look at the episodes "Inner Child" (observer like child found in a sealed tunnel) & mix in some The Plateau (alternative universe freak kills people with a pen) & maybe add some The Firefly (the observer's do some freak like predicting) i think u get engineered & sent back in time with the machine.

[austeane]

Pretty much the way I see it, also. And being able to "see" :observer: all possibilities does not indicate, according to the theories described in this video, that one can determine which possibility will come to pass. :D



They've already touched on quantum entanglement theory, and have basically made it integral to the storyline by now :happy15:

The first thing I thought about on that episode where the robbers went through the way was quantum tunnelling which I think can still make an appearance in the show.

[LucySkyDiamonds]

The postulation of 11 dimensions is m-theory (well, there can be 26, but that's getting technical), a derivation for superstring theory. In quantum mechanics there are theories that suggest a multitude of universes: quantum multiverse. both theories can coexist, theoretically of course.

Tough to say which if any model they are subscribing too. They could be drawing off both.

[ShogunOrta]

Well the mutliple dimensions theory, and which way or how is Fringe trying to treat the subject - I recall my dad posing once that none of the characters on the show ever fathom why are there just two parallel worlds? The Fringe-verse seems to be a wittled down version of what we're talking about, perhaps so that it doesn't go over the heads of the audience.

Nevertheless, in M-Theory, as far as I have studied it, there are only two M-membranes, which both are constructed of infinite superstrings and other stuff, but at the end of the day there are only TWO membrane that collide and create the multiple verses between them. Hence, given Fringe is sticking only to these two parallel worlds, could the Red-verse and Blue-verse be analogous to the two membranes of M-theory? Again, just throwing it out there. I'm probably not even in the ball park given I haven't looked at M-theory in a very long time.

[Lij]

Well the mutliple dimensions theory, and which way or how is Fringe trying to treat the subject - I recall my dad posing once that none of the characters on the show ever fathom why are there just two parallel worlds? The Fringe-verse seems to be a wittled down version of what we're talking about, perhaps so that it doesn't go over the heads of the audience.

Nevertheless, in M-Theory, as far as I have studied it, there are only two M-membranes, which both are constructed of infinite superstrings and other stuff, but at the end of the day there are only TWO membrane that collide and create the multiple verses between them. Hence, given Fringe is sticking only to these two parallel worlds, could the Red-verse and Blue-verse be analogous to the two membranes of M-theory? Again, just throwing it out there. I'm probably not even in the ball park given I haven't looked at M-theory in a very long time.
The 2 colliding branes of M-theory (or the ekpyrotic universe) are two three-dimensional but heat-dead branes (or spaces). When the two branes collide they heat up and form one 4 dimensional universe with 3 dimensions of space and one dimension of time (ie. gravity). But that occurs within an extant 5 dimensional superverse.

[ShogunOrta]

Ah...so yeah, Blue-verse and Red-verse!...maybe.

[LucySkyDiamonds]

gotta love theoretical physics.

even the phds have many different ideas. quantum mechanics was once thought to hold hope for a unified theory, now, as usual, there's just more questions. everytime we think we've reduced matter to it smallest element and how it behaves, we find something smaller and it behaves nothing like predicted.

i won't be surprised is season 5 or 6 is the drop a multiverse bomb on us.

wasn't there and early espiode (maybe season 2)when walter was explaining parallel universes that he mentioned there could be an infinite number?

i love the fact they keep us thinking and discussing.