If peter didnt reach adulthood how did they use the machine to bring walternate over?

[Walter Ego]

If both universes pasts have changed, how did they still get to the same point in time to have Olivia and walter from both sides in the same place and brought over under the same circumstances that our worlds were going to collide? And how was it possible to do it, if peter didn’t ever exist?

I can maybe answer my own question on the 2 worlds pulling each other apart still, as walter may of still crossed over and failed in saving peter, which would of started everything anyway but hw did they come to the same crossroads in the new future and how did they use the machine?

[Albert]

If both universes pasts have changed, how did they still get to the same point in time to have Olivia and walter from both sides in the same place and brought over under the same circumstances that our worlds were going to collide? And how was it possible to do it, if peter didn’t ever exist?

I can maybe answer my own question on the 2 worlds pulling each other apart still, as walter may of still crossed over and failed in saving peter, which would of started everything anyway but hw did they come to the same crossroads in the new future and how did they use the machine?
I think the machine is now tied to Olivia instead of Peter, and that Olivia used the machine in the new timeline. She is the one who was up on the machine after the bridge between universes was made. Everyone else was standing away from the machine. So if anyone actually used it, I think it had to be Olivia.

[shadow9souls]

I've been meaning to start posting here forever, but I speculate that in this timeline the machine just started working on its own in both universes. Since we know per the season 3 finale that Walter makes the machine specifically for Peter, I am led to believe that in this "amber-verse" the machine just kind of showed up in the midsts of all the Fringe cases of the last 3 years. Olivia showed no knowledge of the observers, I began to wonder if they knew anything about the First People manuscripts as well. Remember, there were two machines prior to Peter making the bridge; both machines seem to have merged as well, so I don't think "anyone" (that they currently know *winkwink*) powered the machine and it just turned itself on to their knowledge.

[spacefilou]

Or in this new "timeline", they figured out that all the writings on the "first people" drawings was a genetic code (the genetic code of Peter, which it is obviously) and somehow figured out how to make the machine work by using it (creating a blood sample which correspond to that exact genetic code, or something like that)

[jophan]

I wonder if the new Blueverse (I know the credits are amber, but we need to distinguish one side from the other) ever found the machine at all. Olivia only knew about it because the Observer gave her the paper. BOlivia's assignment over here may not have been about finding the pieces, other than the few that were missing. Olivia may have been kidnapped to test her connection to the over there machine (as the "crowbar") instead of to test her Cortexiphan-derived ability to cross.

[Lij]

The answer is "differently." Just how different, we do not now know. However, some things are known or can be surmised:

1] History in this timeline (signified by orange or amber credits) has changed. How so could not be predicted even by the Obsevers. In this new history there can be no vestige of what was necessary to the paradox. The paradox is thus an "irrational reality" (or "irrational time") and what we see now in S4 is the "rational reality" (or "rational time") of a lineal timeline (without the hiccups of the paradox).

2] Thus there can be only one machine, and someone (Bell?) built it but where? In the Bluverse or Redverse? The machine was thus never buried and the First People cannot have existed in this timeline because the events of 2026 will not have happened; the First People can only be paradoxical - or of the "irrational reality."

3] As the machine must have been built in "rational time" then it was either keyed to someone else or keyed to no one in particular. My guess is that if Bell created the machine, Bell may have keyed it to himself or someone close to him. Perhaps that was Nina - though I doubt it? Or that may have been a 'cortexiphan kid' that Bell specially groomed for the position (if the cortexiphan trials actually occurred and I have my doubts about that - or if they occurred they haven't been uncovered in "rational time"). I have the feeling that whoever may have started the machine in "rational time" may have "irrationally" disappeared. My point being that the paradox, all 250 million years of "irrational time" - however many times it may have occurred, likely occurred within the "rational time" in which the machine was operating in "rational lineal time."

4] The Observers are not omniscent. They have the perception to make predictions that have a greater chance of occurring. But even they must work within time as they perceive it. Thus whatever they did or said in the paradox/"irrational time" only applied to that time. Peter was only necessary and served a purpose in the "irrational time" of the paradox. Thus whether Walternate devised a cure or not was not important nor would be Walter's abduction of Peter from the Redverse. What evidently happened was simply that Peter died young.

I'll stop for now.

[Residents Fan]

Or in this new "timeline", they figured out that all the writings on the "first people" drawings was a genetic code (the genetic code of Peter, which it is obviously) and somehow figured out how to make the machine work by using it (creating a blood sample which correspond to that exact genetic code, or something like that)

Sam specifically says in "6:02 EST" that "This machine was built for Peter-only he can operate it". I regard that as stating
only Peter or his son Henry (now gone as well?) can get the machine operational. So a gruesome theory-both Peters existed
as children and died at the same time. Someone froze one of their corpses and later used it to activate the machine. :confused0066:

[fringeG33k]

OK, here's a gruesome thought. Walter kidnaps Peter, the observer DOESN'T save Walter and Peter from drowning. Peter dies at the bottom of frozen Reiden lake. Walter flails to the surface with numb limbs while Peter sinks away. There's your frozen corpse. What is Walter going to say to the authorities? "I need you to dredge the frozen lake for my dead son who's already died and buried?"

Ick.

[RETLAW]

If both universes pasts have changed, how did they still get to the same point in time to have Olivia and walter from both sides in the same place and brought over under the same circumstances that our worlds were going to collide? And how was it possible to do it, if peter didn’t ever exist?


I do believe your answer is in bold.
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