Clues & Eastereggs - 4.02 "One Night In October"

[AnimeArchAngel]

CLUES AND EASTEREGGS
"One Night In October"
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Welcome to the clues and eastereggs thread for 4.02 "One Night In October".

This is a bit like an treasure hunt for the various clues that are intentionally (or otherwise) built into each and every episode of Fringe.



The clues are mostly visual and provide fun hints and major clues to the bigger picture. ;) If you'd like to play along, please do so by sharing your observations in this thread!


Here are some ideas on what to look out for:

The Observer - usually hidden somewhere in the background of EACH episode.


The blue lights

The "Next Episode Clue" - each episode contains clues alluding to the nature of the following weeks episode.

Any other clues, shout-outs.

*If you want to check out last seasons clues and eastereggs, have a look through our clues library (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101) or the various episode forums.


*Please note. If you know for a fact what the next episode clue is because you've seen the trailer for the next episode or because you have knowledge of upcoming info, you MUST use spoiler tags (for text) as not everyone watches the trailers. This thread is for speculation.

[Omniscient_Jay]

I'm fairly certain an Observer was standing in a doorway in the back of the hall as Broyles and Olivia were making their out of the hospital.

[RETLAW]

I'm fairly certain an Observer was standing in a doorway in the back of the hall as Broyles and Olivia were making their out of the hospital.

I hate qualifiers on absolutes:P Fairly certain. Nearly perfect. Almost pregnant. The light switch is "nearly on". Well, then it's off. But I digress!

Good catch OJ!:happy15:

[Omniscient_Jay]

I hate qualifiers on absolutes:P Fairly certain. Nearly perfect. Almost pregnant. The light switch is "nearly on". Well, then it's off. But I digress!

Good catch OJ!:happy15:

I have a hard time dealing in absolutes (though I have no doubt my alternate counterpart does so with finesse). XD

[fringeftw123]

did the glyphs spell out LIMBUS?

[Kaslyna]

Indeed they did. The light before the AltLiv/Olivia talk was orange-red. In the flashback, Marjorie found an apple with a fetus in the seed.

[fragaria x phile]

I don't know the glyphs, but if it's limbus (and I don't mean to be condescending in anyway, but I don't know if it's common knowledge)...that's probably a reference to the corneal limbus, which borders the white of your eye and the lens. It may be associated with rejuvenation: it's a common site for cancers, which I think indicates that it's the part of the eye with the fastest cell turnover or basal cells.

Even though it's almost always used (in my experience) with the eye... it is may just be indicating a border or bridge area or the outside of of something. The fringe!

[RETLAW]

I don't know the glyphs, but if it's limbus (and I don't mean to be condescending in anyway, but I don't know if it's common knowledge)...that's probably a reference to the corneal limbus, which borders the white of your eye and the lens. It may be associated with rejuvenation: it's a common site for cancers, which I think indicates that it's the part of the eye with the fastest cell turnover or basal cells.

Even though it's almost always used (in my experience) with the eye... it is may just be indicating a border or bridge area or the outside of of something. The fringe!

Indeed. One definition for limbus is that between the cornea and sclera. However this technical term probably originates in that of limbo, since it is a border or transient territory.

I have found other definitions for limbus as "limbo" so I think this is still a sort of call out to Peter being trapped in Limbo, as the phrase goes. Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell).
Remember, the glyph codes refer to the episode they are found within. It's no ROMAD, but I'm still sticking to the LIMBUS as limbo, or transitional region of the cornea as a metaphor for Peter being trapped in a border world.

[TheLastManInSpace]

I'm fairly certain an Observer was standing in a doorway in the back of the hall as Broyles and Olivia were making their out of the hospital.

Good catch.

http://i54.tinypic.com/14u9a1d.png

[Lij]

Disambiguation of LIMBUS by Wikipedia:

Limbus may refer to:

Limbu people (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbu_people), a (Mongoloid) ethnic group in Asia, an indigenous ethnic group of Nepal.
Corneal limbus (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Corneal_limbus)
Limbus (band) (http://fringe-forum.com/w/index.php?title=Limbus_(band)&action=edit&redlink=1), a Swedish punk rock band
Limbo (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbo), the temporary status of the souls of good persons who died but did not go to Heaven
Limbus, a thriller written by Julian Vaughan Hampton
Limbus of fossa ovalis (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbus_of_fossa_ovalis) (heart)
Limbus - border or edge of an anatomical part.

[Lij]

From Amazon.com about the book Limbus. Could it be indicative of a plot point for an upcoming episode? Or was it a reference to this very episode itself, the difference between the professor and the serial killer.

ReviewA novel which will have you looking at artwork in a whole new perspective. Follows tradition of the Twilight Zone. -- Gottawrite Network, December 2005

Suspense always moving forward, taking readers along for an intriguing read. Glues you to your seat. Interesting and good read. -- Allbooks Reviews, December 2005

Product DescriptionAn aspiring artist crashes into a world of mystery and deception in Julian Vaughan Hampton's book titled Limbus. When Pamela Fontain experiences dreams concerning a series of unsolved murders, she must discover if she is an innocent witness, or a cold-blooded killer. Journey through the mind of a woman involved in an intense game of cat and mouse in this unique and thrilling title, as she discovers if she is living out a nightmare, or simply losing her sanity.

[FringeBinge]

Or...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system

[RETLAW]

Disambiguation of LIMBUS by Wikipedia:

Limbus may refer to:

Limbu people (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbu_people), a (Mongoloid) ethnic group in Asia, an indigenous ethnic group of Nepal.
Corneal limbus (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Corneal_limbus)
Limbus (band) (http://fringe-forum.com/w/index.php?title=Limbus_(band)&action=edit&redlink=1), a Swedish punk rock band
Limbo (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbo), the temporary status of the souls of good persons who died but did not go to Heaven
Limbus, a thriller written by Julian Vaughan Hampton
Limbus of fossa ovalis (http://fringe-forum.com/wiki/Limbus_of_fossa_ovalis) (heart)
Limbus - border or edge of an anatomical part.



Well, that's wikipedia for you.

The word is Latin per the dictionary.

Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell). Just another way of saying limbo. Peter is trapped in limbo.

[Lij]

Yeah, I knew that. I was looking for more popularized application of the word - thus the book.

[RETLAW]

Yeah, I knew that. I was looking for more popularized application of the word - thus the book.

Gotcha. :happy15:I'm sure there are esoteric uses for many common words, that would be incidental in this case. I think it's straight forward in this case.

Mind you, most of the glyph codes throughout the series have been very straight forward, almost simplistic. You get the occasional ROMAD, etc. but most are silly simple and refer to a large theme or reveal within the episode. (Peter = Peters, Man from other Side = Bridge, Bishop Revival = Father, etc.) Also they've used Latin before in glyph codes (Ghost Network)>

[ditroia]

Here's a larger image of the observer sighting.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3219/observersighting402.jpg

It looks like the "Brain Freeze' graffiti in the last episode was the NEC.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9264/brainfreeze.jpg

Anyone spot this weeks Next Episode Clue.

So Broylsnate never died, meaning.

A. Walternate & Brandonate may have never discovered Olivia's Cortexiphan.

B. They never intended to kill Olivia and study her organs, so she didn't need saving.

C. Or Broylsnate decided not to help Olivia, and she escape by some other means.

Fauxlivia is still with Frank.

Charlienate married Bug Girl.

Lincoln has moved to Boston, lt Lincoln's love is still unrequited.

Fauxlivia wasn't beaten by her Stepfather or may had not had one.

Our Olivia killed her stepfather rather than wounding him, possibly as a result of not meeting Peter in the field of tulips.

Peter is calling to Walter and needs his help, Walter thinks he's losing it and may go back to St. Clairs.

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can remember.


Cheers

Dave

EDIT: And I forgot to add that both sides think the Machine created the bridge, [Instead of Destroying the Blueverse] as they aren't aware of Peters Role. Makes Perfect Sense.

[medoragrace]

There was a flash of a wasp when showing flashbacks of Marjorie and there have been other discussions on wasps relating to things mentioned in Fringe.



lol and Astrid telling Olivia that maybe her type doesn't exist was an obvious hint at Peter :)

[Dacks]

The bit between Olivia and Astrid (regarding LL) was cute, and hopefully the show creators little way of telling us "nuh-uh, not gonna happen!" And again, with "maybe your type doesn't exist."

I noticed very few words in the background, so no idea what the next show clue could be:

Sodium
Power
Keep / Clear
(Nurses) Station

In the memory scene, two objects could be equivalent to Glyphs:
Daisy
Apple

And last episode I believe it was a leaf and a butterfly. Do we already know that the extra glyphs mean anything? Is there an overall season clue, too?


Two numbers appeared tonight as well, though I have no skills with codes:
House Number 138
License Plate PA TR53H79

I admit I was hoping for a glimpse of Peter in any reflective surface, and really excited to hear his voice coming through to Walter. Poor Walter, so lost and confused :(

[dALTnielle]

I'm sure that the discussion between Olivia and Astrid about Lincoln at the beginning was just so that Astrid can say: maybe you're type just doesn't exist :D That was just such a cool moment.

[eazy]

if you replace the numbers with letters : Among others PA TR53H79 gives you TAG CIPHER. idont know if it means anything at all.

[medoragrace]

Gas was only .99 on the other side. Can I move over there ;)?

Also, there were many similarities between ourJohn and Olivia. Both abused as children. Around ten they ran away and found themselves in a field, also both found by a person who made a deep impact in their life. Then they both no longer have the memories of that person.

The guy still remembers what Marjorie taught him so perhaps maybe towards the back of her mind Olivia still remembers what Peter taught her.

[dALTnielle]

The transition color from Over Here to Over There was green, rather than blue.
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[fragaria x phile]

Well, that's wikipedia for you.

The word is Latin per the dictionary.

Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell). Just another way of saying limbo. Peter is trapped in limbo.

Agreed. All based on the concept of inbetween. I was just totally ignoring the limbic system, because oh man is that whole can of worms when applied to Fringe. It's most likely the simplest answer.

[dALTnielle]

Also I noticed a lot of green Over There... also blue and orange, but much more green than in other episodes.

[Dimiter]

I noticed that some of the numbers from Lost were mentioned or shown. When Olivia was going through the pictures from the crime scene of the murders, on one of them the evidence number is 42. The victims were 23. I don't know if it means something.

P.S. For a couple of months I was an observer, but today I decided to join the forum. Greetings from Bulgaria! English is not my native language, so excuse me if sometimes I can't express myself with the right words, correct grammar or proper tense.

[gillybee]

I noticed the fish in Walter's fish tank are the breed featured in the film Finding Nemo, as in Finding Peter.

[theNomadz]

Yeah lots of green again throughout the episode, especially in Walters lab. I noticed a little white man figure was on both sides. One on the professors desk, the other on the top shelf of the serial killer.
http://i55.tinypic.com/33arl3k.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/288w9it.jpg

:tiphat:P.S. welcome on board Dimiter

[Hardy]

42 is the meanig of life, according to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
23 is every conspiracy theorist's favorite number.

Never watched Lost so I don't know which meaning they had there.


I noticed that some of the numbers from Lost were mentioned or shown. When Olivia was going through the pictures from the crime scene of the murders, on one of them the evidence number is 42. The victims were 23. I don't know if it means something.

[dALTnielle]

Another object in both the houses from the 2 universes. Over Here behind him, on the top shelf, Over There right in front of him, but he didn't see it.
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[Dimiter]

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Why he has 3 copies of the same picture/chart or whatever this is?

Thanks theNomadz.

[The_Pattern]

Gas was only .99 on the other side. Can I move over there ;)?

Also, there were many similarities between ourJohn and Olivia. Both abused as children. Around ten they ran away and found themselves in a field, also both found by a person who made a deep impact in their life. Then they both no longer have the memories of that person.

The guy still remembers what Marjorie taught him so perhaps maybe towards the back of her mind Olivia still remembers what Peter taught her.

That's a very nice theory, I haven't thought about that similarity.

[xphile]

Gas was only .99 on the other side. Can I move over there ;)?

I noticed the price, too, and then I noticed a sign that said "PROPANE." Cars on the other side run on propane, maybe? Or perhaps instead of diesel engines, propane engines are available as an option?

I love seeing all the subtle differences between the two universes.

First time posting, so I hope this quote thingy works.

[geometric_sum]

The guy still remembers what Marjorie taught him so perhaps maybe towards the back of her mind Olivia still remembers what Peter taught her.

Add to this what Broyles said on the way out of the hospital -- something about people leaving "an indelible mark on your soul, an imprint that can never be erased" -- and I think that is exactly what we'll see.

[geometric_sum]

I also noticed a lot of clown references (*shudders*): the clown figurines in the serial killer's home (shelf and kitchen), the clown on the cereal box in the cupboard (cereal killer, get it?), and then the clown fish in Walter's fish tank.

Don't know if it means anything, but I found it curious.

[babbs]

After reading this I immediately thought of John Wayne Gacy, only because while he was a serial killer he also worked as a clown. -shrug-

[The_Pattern]

I also noticed a lot of clown references (*shudders*): the clown figurines in the serial killer's home (shelf and kitchen), the clown on the cereal box in the cupboard (cereal killer, get it?), and then the clown fish in Walter's fish tank.

Don't know if it means anything, but I found it curious.

Speaking of the fish tank. Does anybody know why Walter didn't cover the tank? I mean the tank does also reflect images like a TV screen...He covered like everything in the lab but the fish tank.

[fragaria x phile]

I kept thinking of the "sad clown" and the Sopranos. Sure, Fringe and Sopranos aren't exactly in the same genre, but there are some shared themes. A lot of people watched Sopranos as a mafia tv show, but I don't think it would have lasted or had the impact it did had it not been a show centered on family dynamics, psychology, and the choices we make.

[RETLAW]

I also noticed a lot of clown references (*shudders*): the clown figurines in the serial killer's home (shelf and kitchen), the clown on the cereal box in the cupboard (cereal killer, get it?), and then the clown fish in Walter's fish tank.

Don't know if it means anything, but I found it curious.

The Clown Prince of Crime strikes again. It was a case of "The Laughing Fish", a classic Joker story in the Batman mythos (Detective Comics #475 - 1978, and also a Batman: Animated Episode by the same title).
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What does this mean in Fringe? Just look at my Avatar.:P

[ditroia]

Speaking of the fish tank. Does anybody know why Walter didn't cover the tank? I mean the tank does also reflect images like a TV screen...He covered like everything in the lab but the fish tank.

Well he turned the light off in the fish tank, making it dark enough to not see any reflections.

i wonder if Clowns are the Next Episode Clue?

[ditroia]

Just noticed that RED & GREEN lights were flashed on Olivia & Broyles as they were standing on the bridge 'Elevator'

[ditroia]

Here are the books in McClennan's office:

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1672/mcclennanbooksourside.jpg

And here are the ones in serial killer McClennan's home:

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9062/mcclennanbooksotherside.jpg)http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9062/mcclennanbooksotherside.jpg

It seems they have similar tastes in literature.

[RETLAW]

I noticed the price, too, and then I noticed a sign that said "PROPANE." Cars on the other side run on propane, maybe? Or perhaps instead of diesel engines, propane engines are available as an option?

I love seeing all the subtle differences between the two universes.

First time posting, so I hope this quote thingy works.

Selling propane at gas stations is actually common in this reality.


Just noticed that RED & GREEN lights were flashed on Olivia & Broyles as they were standing on the bridge 'Elevator'

There seems to be a noticeable saturation of a particular green as others have noted:happy15: It even seems to be the same hue:
http://www.zombtac.com/images/FRINGE/green1.jpg

http://www.zombtac.com/images/FRINGE/green2.jpg

[ditroia]

Wow great attention to detail the packaging box in McClennans home says "Kuhl brooder"

http://www.kuhlcorp.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51J769254&rnd=71134&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=cat&ref=machine-poultry-brooders&catstr=

Also Green Green Green Red on the CB radio in the van.

I noticed a pencil on the table at the house

[fury161]

I noticed that some of the numbers from Lost were mentioned or shown. When Olivia was going through the pictures from the crime scene of the murders, on one of them the evidence number is 42. The victims were 23. I don't know if it means something.

P.S. For a couple of months I was an observer, but today I decided to join the forum. Greetings from Bulgaria! English is not my native language, so excuse me if sometimes I can't express myself with the right words, correct grammar or proper tense.

Welcome Dimiter:D

[goodfellabrasco]

I unfortunately do not have a screencap; however, in the scene where Walter is blasting the stereo (perfectly reminiscent of the famous Maxell cassette tape commercials, if anyone remembers :haha:) there are several lab containers on the table behind his head. They seem to match up with the "universe colors", with one containing a red liquid (Over There), one containing a yellowish/orange liquid (the new season's universe)...and a conspicuous empty space between them where the blue container(Peter's universe) should be! :happy15:

[Feoen]

I unfortunately do not have a screencap; however, in the scene where Walter is blasting the stereo (perfectly reminiscent of the famous Maxell cassette tape commercials, if anyone remembers :haha:) there are several lab containers on the table behind his head. They seem to match up with the "universe colors", with one containing a red liquid (Over There), one containing a yellowish/orange liquid (the new season's universe)...and a conspicuous empty space between them where the blue container(Peter's universe) should be! :happy15:

Not only this... Look at the reflection on the record he is playing!

http://i.imgur.com/WDOye.png

The color spectrum there goes Blue Green Red. That perspective HAD to be intentional...

So is the "Greenverse" in between the Blue and Red ones? I guess so!

[dALTnielle]

When Astrid comes in and sees Walter listening to music, she stops the player and in that moment you can hear Peter saying Walter. There was a sneak peek for this episode where you could clearly hear him say. Now in the episode, you have to up the volume to maxim to hear it, but it's surely there.

[Darkmemento]

I unfortunately do not have a screencap; however, in the scene where Walter is blasting the stereo (perfectly reminiscent of the famous Maxell cassette tape commercials, if anyone remembers :haha:) there are several lab containers on the table behind his head. They seem to match up with the "universe colors", with one containing a red liquid (Over There), one containing a yellowish/orange liquid (the new season's universe)...and a conspicuous empty space between them where the blue container(Peter's universe) should be! :happy15:

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[dolemite]

How does a book on stuctural engineering fit in with the rest of the book? (they wanted you to see it, it was right in the middle and most prominent in the frame)

talk about "one of these things is not like the other"

not sure if anyone covered this yet...

[fringeG33k]

Did anyone notice previously that every time there is a photo of either a boy or a young man, it looks like they have either upped the green filter (or is it contrast?) on it or done that color spotting technique where everything is in black and white except for a certain select color? In this case green.

I noticed it in the opening scene on the photo victim number one was looking at in his wallet of him as a young boy (photo boy's body was black and white, with green behind him), and also if you look on the wall the photos of young men in the scene of all the happy people, it looks like the green contrast was upped on photos of young men, vs the other photos of old men, and other women and girls.

I'm thinking that green has to do with baby Henry. The hospital room at the end of Immortality was all in green. There's been lots of green on the walls in the rooms on the other side too at various places.

[jmsnyc]

When Astrid comes in and sees Walter listening to music, she stops the player and in that moment you can hear Peter saying Walter. There was a sneak peek for this episode where you could clearly hear him say. Now in the episode, you have to up the volume to maxim to hear it, but it's surely there.

He whispers so its hard to tell its him. But I had Closed Captioning on which confirmed that Peter did say Walter before Astrid did.

[RETLAW]

Did anyone notice previously that every time there is a photo of either a boy or a young man, it looks like they have either upped the green filter (or is it contrast?) on it or done that color spotting technique where everything is in black and white except for a certain select color? In this case green.

I noticed it in the opening scene on the photo victim number one was looking at in his wallet of him as a young boy (photo boy's body was black and white, with green behind him), and also if you look on the wall the photos of young men in the scene of all the happy people, it looks like the green contrast was upped on photos of young men, vs the other photos of old men, and other women and girls.

I'm thinking that green has to do with baby Henry. The hospital room at the end of Immortality was all in green. There's been lots of green on the walls in the rooms on the other side too at various places.

While I agree there has been prominent dark green in this episode (see vial and elevator pictures upthread), I think this was just a case of the natural photo in dark lighting. The boy's picture had a background of trees/leaves, which I think is unrelated. See the original broadcast screen-shot and the adjusted pic below:

http://www.zombtac.com/images/FRINGE/id1.jpg
http://www.zombtac.com/images/FRINGE/id2.jpg

[Amy]

He whispers so its hard to tell its him. But I had Closed Captioning on which confirmed that Peter did say Walter before Astrid did.
Wow, I hadn't noticed that until now. Great catch :)

[brown_betty]

I noticed the fish in Walter's fish tank are the breed featured in the film Finding Nemo, as in Finding Peter.

I came to write exactly that! And to also add that the third fish is yellow, or blonde, like Olivia !!!! The three of them together <3

[Plutonium]

Actually, the oberver enters the hallway before Olivia enters the room, just as Broyles says that "all memories of Majory were extracted"
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