the typewriter

[fringeftw123]

its a different typewriter but it fuctions the same way like the typewriter walternate and his machine hybrid shapeshifters used to communicate between their and our world. so this enemy, whoever created this new species are from another world. so this is strongly hinting that walternate may be connected to all this. anyone else have any other clever and potentially accurate theories besides this assumption that walternate is behind it? because i keep wondering, why would walternate send another species, when he already had machine hybrids to his disposal.

[Quazarr]

The interesting thing I caught (unless I just missed it), is this model, not only is portable, but does not require a mirror. So that begs the question... why not?

[Quazarr]

And a few other questions going through my mind (mostly based off my belief that the writers through "Lost" and "Fringe" are masters at making us ASSUME we know something when in fact we do not. Your question about why would Walternate send another species is a great question. Let me take it one step further: Do we actually, honestly, really know beyond a shadow of a doubt that when Fauxlivia was using the typewriter in season past, was she actually in communication with Walternate? Or better yet, was it actually connected to the alternate universe we know?

I know early on in the series, the writers said they wouldnt go down a bazillion different universes, but I never heard them rule out a third (we know there are infinite ones). For Lost fans.... this could be their "sideways" timeline.

Again, just rambling... Love how this season is playing out. Love that ever episodes is ending with more questions then answers.

Q

[Alquist]

Well, after seeing this episode I definitely think he had help from Bell in making the shapeshifters because he was the only one who knew about Truss' research that they used to make them. I can see Walternate wanting to make better shapeshifters, ones that can't be identified as non-human so easily.

But I was actually quite annoyed by the new typewriter. The typewriter (the original one) is like the machine. There is one on each side and they are quantum entangled. But to work, I thought they had to be in the same place, because they had to move the machine to the same place the redverse had theirs. This new typewriter was a Portable one that she got out of a locker. It seems strange that it isn't locked down to one specific place and makes it a little too convenient. I also just didn't like the way it looked. The old one was so cool looking because it was old and it had the mirror and everything. I don't know, I guess the new typewriter just looks kinda cheap to me.

It's true that we don't actually know who Fauxlivia and the shapeshifters were communicating with, but they did say that the typewriters were quantum entangled machines when they trued to use it for Olivia to practice on trying to move with her mind.

[QuantumAttraction]

The typewriter is a Hermes 3000 or whatever it's alternate universe counterpart is; http://mytypewriter.com/hermes3000of1958.aspx http://mytypewriter.com/ProductImages/HE_3000_stre_M.jpg

[fringyfanatic]

Well, after seeing this episode I definitely think he had help from Bell in making the shapeshifters because he was the only one who knew about Truss' research that they used to make them. I can see Walternate wanting to make better shapeshifters, ones that can't be identified as non-human so easily.

But I was actually quite annoyed by the new typewriter. The typewriter (the original one) is like the machine. There is one on each side and they are quantum entangled. But to work, I thought they had to be in the same place, because they had to move the machine to the same place the redverse had theirs. This new typewriter was a Portable one that she got out of a locker. It seems strange that it isn't locked down to one specific place and makes it a little too convenient. I also just didn't like the way it looked. The old one was so cool looking because it was old and it had the mirror and everything. I don't know, I guess the new typewriter just looks kinda cheap to me.

It's true that we don't actually know who Fauxlivia and the shapeshifters were communicating with, but they did say that the typewriters were quantum entangled machines when they trued to use it for Olivia to practice on trying to move with her mind.


The typewriters from the previous seasons where quantum entangled. However, I do not believe they needed to be in the exact same locations in both universes to work. The Blue version was removed from the typewriter shop in Entrada. Olivia later used it in Walter's lab in 6:02am. In fact, she wasn't even present when it actually started responding. Yeah, the type writer set up was cooler in the dimly lite room of the typewriter shop. But, remember this new shape shifter is a part of the new wave. They just haven't had time to set up their cool place of rendezvous.

[fringeG33k]

The interesting thing I caught (unless I just missed it), is this model, not only is portable, but does not require a mirror. So that begs the question... why not?

I wonder if the mirror was actually just a version of the window that Walter used to spy on Walternate, but in Walternate's case, he made his window into an ordinary looking mirror to be inconspicuous.

That's my theory since when Fauxlivia was sending messages she finishes off by looking into it, and that way it would have been Walternate's way of knowing exactly who was typing to him on the other end so the messages wouldn't have been hijacked without his knowledge.

Also the mirror was on the table in the scene where Newton is removing her tattoo. Without the typewriter. When Newton challenged her authority in 3.02's 'The Box' you could see how she was sending a pointed look or two into it. So if I'm right then Walternate has his own version of a universe viewing window.

On another note I wanted to just say that i think this typewriter is an older model compared to the last one used in the typewriter guy's shop. My mom used to have one like this that had the individual keys for each letter (that thing was built like a TANK cast iron - so heavy! I can see why this large green thing was their version of a typewriter laptop in the 50's!!!) and the one from the shop had that cool rotating ball for the letters if I'm remembering correctly.

[The Question]

:confused0006: Consider This:

The "New" Shapeshifters & Typewriter are actually what was left of the Original Shapeshifters & Their Typewriter.

Part of why they are a different kind and why the typewriter is different. Could be explained by an unforeseen Ripple Effect of the Creation of the Bridge Room/New Timeline/New Reality.

As to who they answer to? Perhaps these are Rebel Shapeshifters, no longer bound by having to do whatever Walternate says. And they've decided to start playing their own game.



P.S.
Anyone Else get a Season 1 ZFT vibe off this episode? Especially the Shapeshifter/Doctor/Bell stuff.
And how the Shapeshifter seemed to sincerely say, "there are people who admire and respect you and want to pay you lots of money to continue your research." while holding a gun to him.

[fringeG33k]

P.S.
Anyone Else get a Season 1 ZFT vibe off this episode? Especially the Shapeshifter/Doctor/Bell stuff.
And how the Shapeshifter seemed to sincerely say, "there are people who admire and respect you and want to pay you lots of money to continue your research." while holding a gun to him.

Yes! Emphatically YES! (yay!)

[dolemite]

^ oh i wish i never would have seen that spoiler pic a while back

didn't ******* use to work at Massive Dynamic around the same time as Truss

[zain]

I personally don't think we should be considering a third universe. That would be strange and make the show too confusing. Also they would have done that long ago if it was an option.
For me the three things being talked about in this post are extremely important: The dislike Dr. Truss has for Bell, The time during which he worked for MD and the conversation between him and the shapeshifter in the car where she tells him that he will be paid good money and people admire his work a lot. But now since she is using a typewriter ... i think the shapehsifters are related to some ZFT like group based in the Alternate Universe. Now whether, it is just another rogue group or actually the alternate version of ZFT (headed by a certain someone I would love to see back) is something we cannot speculate about right now .

[Hermes]

Personally i think ZFT will make a comeback considering there is no fringe related history to reiden lake (where Jones was killed) and would still beg the question is walters *teleportation device* still parted all over the world in safe boxes ? :observer: also relating to the typewriter in this episode i found it very interesting how the typewriter was called the *hermes 3000* and in greek mythology hermes was a messenger of which could communicate with the underworld and mortal world. just found t interesting and wanted to share :D

[dolemite]

in greek mythology hermes was a messenger of which could communicate with the underworld and mortal world. just found it interesting and wanted to share :D

awe, very cool!

i guess that's alot more interesting than using a selectric from the previous seasons :haha:

[RETLAW]

First introduced in 1958, the Hermes 3000 was an instant success and widely popular in the U.S and international markets. Feature for feature, the Hermes 3000 was one of the most sophisticated manual portable ever made. Its major innovations included the world's first lightning margins (visible in front of the sheet of paper), a control board grouping all the service keys, and integrated base plate and cover to facilitate handling and carrying.

It is much more than a versatile all-around typewriter. It is designed for office use, too, with many features common to office machines but seldom found in portables. Its ease of handling and clarity of type make it the ideal personal typewriter for writers and executives. Its compactness and lightweight turn the Hermes 3000 into the ultimate in students portables. For its versatility, performance and durability, the Hermes 3000 is regarded by many to be the one of finest portable typewriters in the world.

3478

--http://mytypewriter.com/hermes3000of1958.aspx

[dolemite]

i wonder how many folks been ordering that typewriter since the show aired :haha:

[RETLAW]

i wonder how many folks been ordering that typewriter since the show aired :haha:

I want one!. Sub $400. Not too bad.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/80722570/vintage-typewriter-hermes-3000-pristine?utm_source=googleproduct&utm_medium=syndication&utm_campaign=GPS

[fringeape]

i think David Robert Jones is coming back. hes behind the shape shifters. If walternate is, i would be disapointed hes should be trying to fix the universe problem.

[dolemite]

didnt drj get fired around the same time as truss leaving and bell killing the research?

i thought i remember drj getting fired 10 yrs ago

[TheLastManInSpace]

^ oh i wish i never would have seen that spoiler pic a while back


Same here. :(

[geometric_sum]

i wonder how many folks been ordering that typewriter since the show aired :haha:

It's already on my Christmas list! :) I so miss working on a typewriter.

Anyway... the typewriter is one of the things making me entertain more than two universes. A different make and year (1958) and no mirror at least means our heroes are dealing with an entirely new beast (or beasts).

[Omniscient_Jay]

Anyway... the typewriter is one of the things making me entertain more than two universes. A different make and year (1958) and no mirror at least means our heroes are dealing with an entirely new beast (or beasts).

The typewriter may be different, but that in no way suggests a third universe; it merely suggests that the mastermind behind the neo-shifters probably isn't Walternate, since Walternate's old shifters used the Selectric at the Antique Typewriter store.

[psychopathicROC]

Yes! Emphatically YES! (yay!)

I was thinking Alt-Jones the whole time....

[tricked]

This might be overly simplistic of an observation ... but ...

There are no longer "two universes" .... there is the bridge between them. There is no longer a "balance" needing to be maintained. Both Olivia's can come and go via the bridge, interact, no need to use special powers, etc and so forth.

In other words, there is just the one universe now ... ONE. Maybe I'm seeing this as obvious when it's not ... but there is no longer a need for mirrors with the typewriter and such. There is no "impossible boundary" to cross that could destroy the universe. It has already been done ... the bridge is the answer which has stopped that from happening.

At least, concerning the two.

Now, if we throw into the equation the idea of more universes out there, I think that is making it more complicated then need be. We still have one element we can play with within the two-become-one-universes that isn't accounted for completely: TIME. So whilst we no longer have to worry about two universes anihilating each other, and being the product of an impossible barrier ... we still have TIME. As far as we know, our people and their people cannot hop around time. We are locked in.

Except for Olivia possibly :). Because of the time slips ...

Now, whoever this new baddie is (Jones, or whoever) ... I might tend to think that his main element of surprise is no longer hopping universes, since that's unnecssary. All he has to do is sneak through the bridge somehow. I would think that time is his thing ... not a teleporter, but a time hopper.

Remember, the disrey was meant to travel through time, not just space. Jones only used it to travel through space in the previous timelines .... now I'm thinking he's going to use it to travel through time.

Thoughts ?

[psychopathicROC]

Was the teleportation machine the same as the disre, i don't think its specifically been stated to be the same machine.

[The Question]

I personally don't think we should be considering a third universe. That would be strange and make the show too confusing. Also they would have done that long ago if it was an option.
For me the three things being talked about in this post are extremely important: The dislike Dr. Truss has for Bell, The time during which he worked for MD and the conversation between him and the shapeshifter in the car where she tells him that he will be paid good money and people admire his work a lot. But now since she is using a typewriter ... i think the shapehsifters are related to some ZFT like group based in the Alternate Universe. Now whether, it is just another rogue group or actually the alternate version of ZFT (headed by a certain someone I would love to see back) is something we cannot speculate about right now .
Very Nice, you sifted through all the post-new episode hyper-talk and touched on some Great Points. :tiphat:

While, they made it Very Clear that there are an Infinite Number of Alternate Universes a long time ago. And are going to continue to do so, like how Walter brought up that Peter could be from a "3rd universe". But they aren't going to Explore those other universes in any Major Long Arc type of way, because then no ones decisions/actions would have any meaning.
Part of what is going on in Fringe is that these two Universes (Blueverse/Redverse) seem to be inextricably linked to one another (I'd say because of the Peter Paradox). One can't survive without the other. That and the fact that The Observers seem to be Bound to these particular two universes. And whether things go well not for the two universes seems to have a direct correlation to The Observers. In other words, whatever is Good/Bad for the Two Universes ends up resulting in Good/Bad for The Observers. They seem to have an invested interest in all this beyond, "weirdos with no eyebrows that want to balance an equation in a 'the matrix' colonel sanders as computer god kinda way."




Personally i think ZFT will make a comeback considering there is no fringe related history to reiden lake (where Jones was killed) and would still beg the question is walters *teleportation device* still parted all over the world in safe boxes ? :observer: also relating to the typewriter in this episode i found it very interesting how the typewriter was called the *hermes 3000* and in greek mythology hermes was a messenger of which could communicate with the underworld and mortal world. just found t interesting and wanted to share :D
Nice Call on the Greek Mythology reference!
I'm of the opinion we are going to see some sort of ZFT manifestation. But I didn't forgot that Jone's "exit" took place at Reiden Lake. Take that into combination with what the teleporter did to him and how Walter closed that gap etc. Then apply the Timeline Change and we are left with A Lot of Possibilities.




First introduced in 1958, the Hermes 3000 was an instant success and widely popular in the U.S and international markets. Feature for feature, the Hermes 3000 was one of the most sophisticated manual portable ever made. Its major innovations included the world's first lightning margins (visible in front of the sheet of paper), a control board grouping all the service keys, and integrated base plate and cover to facilitate handling and carrying.

It is much more than a versatile all-around typewriter. It is designed for office use, too, with many features common to office machines but seldom found in portables. Its ease of handling and clarity of type make it the ideal personal typewriter for writers and executives. Its compactness and lightweight turn the Hermes 3000 into the ultimate in students portables. For its versatility, performance and durability, the Hermes 3000 is regarded by many to be the one of finest portable typewriters in the world.

3478

--http://mytypewriter.com/hermes3000of1958.aspx
Thanks for posting the 411 on the new Quantum Typewriter. Seems like the Logical thing to do in a Thread called "the typewriter".




The typewriter may be different, but that in no way suggests a third universe; it merely suggests that the mastermind behind the neo-shifters probably isn't Walternate, since Walternate's old shifters used the Selectric at the Antique Typewriter store.
Again, I must Agree with this, I'm of the opinion that they won't be showing us a 3rd Universe, ever. If you consider: Walternate's Absence since the change, combined with the fact that these shifters are broken. Not to mention that whoever created them seems to have anticipated that it wouldn't fully work. Which is why the organishifter's mission was to track down this man who could stabilize the problems (since they used his research as the foundation).
So while obviously Walternate could have found a different Typewriter to use. Why would he send Broken shifters that can't keep their shape etc? When he has the mercuryshifters that work just fine. Basically what I'm saying is: if it was Walternate. Then given the gravity of the Truce/Bridge Room, he would not be so reckless. If he felt he "Had" to use shifters, he wouldn't implement into the field a new kind when he has perfectly functional ones he could send until the problem was fixed.


Having just typed that, I suppose it's possible that 1 organishifter had to be sent so that it could be physically examined and treated by Dr. Truss so that he could find the solution.



The typewriter model used by the OT mercuryshifters was a "Selectric 251" which apparently "was never made" [Is that because it's from the Redverse? I get the Q.E. thing with typewriter/machine, but do they ever really elaborate on the typewriters origins?] But in reality it was an IBM Selectric Ⅱ (first manufactured in 1971).
The typewriter model used by the NT organishifter is a "Hermes ____" (we don't know yet what model # it is in the Fringe Universe).





http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z465/TheQuestion88/Fringe-Forum/Typewriter-IBMSelectricIIRed334x256.gif```````http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z465/TheQuestion88/Fringe-Forum/Typewriter-Hermes3000360x258.gif
```````````MY [Red] IBM Selectric Ⅱ``````````````````````````````````````Hermes 3000```````````````









P.S.
I actually happen to have my own Quantum Entangled Typewriter. I guess you could say it was "passed down" to me by my Father (whom it belonged to) on my 18th Birthday. Being a writer, I have to say that receiving that typewriter was one of the happiest days of my life. My father knew how much I Loved that Typewriter growing up (especially the Font Ball as opposed to the classic piano style hammers) because growing up I asked to play with it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and then one more time.

P.P.S.
The thing about writing on a typewriter, well at least for me is this: My speed on a Keyboard is to my speed with Pen & Paper as Warp Drive is to Impulse. However that being said, I much prefer the Tactile Sensation of a pen/pencil gliding across a page compared to the buttons and bright screens that'll make your eyes sore after a while. (And if you hate that I just got started and I'm at a blank page thing. In my opinion it's worse when that page is glowing.)
Basically when writing on my Typewriter, I am able to write extremely quickly allowing me to do my Stream of Consciousness writing. And there is the added bonus of the noises and the letters being stamped on the page etc. As opposed to sitting in front of a computer where it is all so Artificial (sorta like CD vs. Vinyl).
Basically the Selectric Ⅱ is the Perfect Marriage of Writing with Ink & Keyboards.
:cool0044:

[Daft Punk]

I think that part of what Tricked said is spot on. We have done the need for universe hopping between the 2 known universes. I think the unseen enemy behind the typewriter is definitely not Walternet but someone from somewhere else!

Now where that could be I do not know but I personally think the man behind the typewriter pulling all the strings is William Bell. :tiphat:

[jophan]

This might be overly simplistic of an observation ... but ...

There are no longer "two universes" .... there is the bridge between them. There is no longer a "balance" needing to be maintained. Both Olivia's can come and go via the bridge, interact, no need to use special powers, etc and so forth.

In other words, there is just the one universe now ... ONE. Maybe I'm seeing this as obvious when it's not ... but there is no longer a need for mirrors with the typewriter and such. There is no "impossible boundary" to cross that could destroy the universe. It has already been done ... the bridge is the answer which has stopped that from happening.
...
Thoughts ?

One word: espionage. The bridge is under control at both ends, so no agent and no information can cross without being known to the other side's agency. An entangled telegraph is still a valuable item to a covert agent, as is a means to cross which is not under observation.

[Loaderini]

i say she was communicating with RedUni_David Robert Jones. i want his voice baaaaaaaack!!

[RETLAW]

i say she was communicating with RedUni_David Robert Jones. i want his voice baaaaaaaack!!

As a betting man (not really) I would put my money on Alt-Jones as well. At this point anything else would be a surprise.

Can't wait!

[ApplesBananasRhinoceros]

When I saw the typewriter, I thought that it was a sly reference to Hermes on Futurama. I have an on-going tally in my head of Futurama references in Fringe (Astrid Farnsworth being one of them!) and I will chalk this up to another one. I'm not edumacated enough about Greek mythology, I guess, so that didn't pop into my brain til later. -1 for stupidity.

[The Question]

When I saw the typewriter, I thought that it was a sly reference to Hermes on Futurama. I have an on-going tally in my head of Futurama references in Fringe (Astrid Farnsworth being one of them!) and I will chalk this up to another one. I'm not edumacated enough about Greek mythology, I guess, so that didn't pop into my brain til later. -1 for stupidity.

The thing is... Everything in Drama/Comedy is a reference to something else before it.

Professor Farnsworth was named after Philo Farnsworth (and I think his first name is the same name as one of the writers teachers).

ala South Park's episode, "Simpsons Already Did It"

However Futurama being a child of the Simpsons, it has lots of $$$ behind it's writing staff. Hence the constant Harvard jokes because many of the writers they hire are Harvard alumni. Making it a cartoon that's chuck full of Intelligent Jokes and References. So don't feel bad for falling back on Futurama instead of Greek Mythology. It just means your smart enough to see references others might not. Futarama has multiple layers; a lot of stuff goes over most people’s heads. [That is based on my semi-negative view that the majority of the human race is well... stupid. But I'm always trying to find that silver lining because I'd like to think we're slowing bettering ourselves.]


Knowledge and Intelligence are Two Completely Different Things.

[dALTnielle]

Alongside the fact that Hermes is "the patron of boundaries and of the travelers who cross them", "Hermes was identified with the Roman god Mercury" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes
That's cool, considering that the previous shapeshifters had Mercury in their blood.

[The Question]

Alongside the fact that Hermes is "the patron of boundaries and of the travelers who cross them", "Hermes was identified with the Roman god Mercury" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes
That's cool, considering that the previous shapeshifters had Mercury in their blood.

Another Brilliant Connection! :tiphat:

Except Hermes wasn't so much "identified" with the Roman God Mercury so much as HE WAS the Roman God Mercury.
During one of Rome’s many changes in religion (Rome changed faiths faster than the weather). They Straight out Stole the Greek Gods and Re-Named them: Zeus becomes Jupiter, Ares becomes Mars, Hermes becomes Mercury etc.
Taking all this into Consideration. There are A Lot of ways we can Dissect This, it seems to be full of Connections that lead to more Connections.


P.S.
My first guess would be that you Copy/Pasted from Wikipedia. Which is cool, because it's a great resource.
It's problem however is that it has No Concept of Spoiler Protection. Which would be absolutely fine, except they have Information on every Drama/Comedy ever. So sometimes you go to the site looking to find something you can't quite remember or for insight into... whatever. And you end up getting a Big Fat Spoiler right in your face.
Those that have seen Star Trek Wrath of Khan the following is Kosher:
The Wikipedia entry for Wrath of Khan is Evil. A friend of mine who watched the prequel series "Enterprise" hadn't seen Star Trek 2. But he remembered the augment 3-parter (guest starring Dr. Sung) and how the name Khan and Bottany Bay came up. Having enjoyed that story arc a lot and wondering if there was a perhaps a connection (because he was reluctant to watch an "old" trek movie for fear of that, I just can't sink up with this old sci-fi thing). He went browsing the Wrath of Khan part of Wikipedia, and it was extremely helpful. He got all the answers he wanted without anything being ruined and then out of nowhere it just says, "Spock dies"
My friend DID NOT KNOW THIS! Which in and of itself is Incredible considering that he's a huge Star Trek fan and has seen TNG (movies too), DS9, Voyager etc.
Can you Imagine how much that must have Sucked? Especially because I had just gotten Khan on the remastered Blu-ray. So we were going to make a night out of it (I promised him that if he didn't like it after 20-30 minutes we'd watch something else).

Despite the Tremendous Spoiler, he LOVED the movie and was a bit embarrassed that he had somehow missed it considering the sheer number of hours he has spent watching various forms of Star Trek.

[dALTnielle]

Thanks for the comments:tiphat:. Indeed there are so many connections, I just love reading about them all.
About my text, yes, I did a copy/paste number from Wikipedia, that's why I used the quote marks and also added the link. I know that on Wikipedia they add connections to movies/tv series where they explain the plot and give away spoilers. Prior to that I read the entire article and I couldn't find any reference to Fringe so I decided to post it.

P.S. sorry that your friend got spoiled. it really is one of the worst things ever :what:

[ApplesBananasRhinoceros]

So don't feel bad for falling back on Futurama instead of Greek Mythology. It just means your smart enough to see references others might not. Futarama has multiple layers; a lot of stuff goes over most people’s heads. [That is based on my semi-negative view that the majority of the human race is well... stupid. But I'm always trying to find that silver lining because I'd like to think we're slowing bettering ourselves.]


Knowledge and Intelligence are Two Completely Different Things.

Thanks, Question, for making me feel a little less stupid!!

[willg]

Instead of a different universe, I kind of got the feeling of a different time; as in time travel ala Peter and the machine. Probably does not make any sense and I have no idea how that would work, but the way the shapeshifter was talking to the doctor it seemed she was from the future.

[The Question]

Thanks, Question, for making me feel a little less stupid!!
I feel slightly Retarded for not noticing the link seeing as how I thought I was being a Brilliant Detective by Deducing where those quotes came from.
Wikipedia is a Great Source when you’re digging into small holes looking for large treasure. There’s no shame in using it, the wealth of knowledge it contains is quite vast. And as long as you use proper etiquette when citing stuff like not posting spoilers or plagiarizing (which is Exactly what you did). Then I’m all for it. I’ve just had some bad experiences with Wikis in the past, so I’m a little grouchy on the subject.



So the New Typewriter is a Hermes 3000 from the late 40s to early 50s as opposed to the Old Typewriter which was an IBM Selectric 2 first made in 1971 but was very popular in the 80s and still is amongst writers today. (you have no Idea how exciting it was to see MY typewriter when it first appeared. I even had people offer me ridiculous amounts of money or something for it in the months that followed.)

Major Obvious Differences:
-Selectric: Electrical, Font Ball
-Hermes: Mechanical, Piano Style Hammers


-The Selectric had a Mirror next to it (why and what it was for is Debatable)
-The Hermes has No Mirror next to it.


Hermes is a Greek God

Rome Stole the Pantheon of Greek Gods and gave them new names.
Hermes becomes Mercury
Mercury refers to what the Old Shapeshifters used to Bleed.

Organishifter talking about "people who Admire your work and want to fund you."
Kidnapping an ex Massive Dynamic employee whose work the Organishifters is based on. Anyone else getting a ZFT Vibe?

Perhaps the Hermes 3000 typewriter is a Nod to the fact that someone has Stolen the Original Shapeshifter Concept. Put their own spin on it and plan to carry out a similar agenda. Hence the recurrence of a "First Wave" followed by "Second Wave".

Another way to look at it is this, Hermes being the Original and Mercury being the Copy. Combined with the fact that the New Typewriter is literally far Older than the one Walternate used. Maybe these Organishifters and their plan are completely Original. But it was Bell that Stole the idea and implemented it. Given the fact that he stuck the Data Discs in their Butts because of his favorite dinosaur (had an extra brain in the very same spot). It seems like Bell's MO to make his shapeshifters bleed Mercury as his little Inside Joke. [I've known some Eccentric Geniuses over the years, that's the kind of thing they do]

[Snafu]

Instead of a different universe, I kind of got the feeling of a different time; as in time travel ala Peter and the machine. Probably does not make any sense and I have no idea how that would work, but the way the shapeshifter was talking to the doctor it seemed she was from the future.

I was thinking the same. I would love to see something that ties back to the 2026 timeline and Munroe.