Paradox?

[dutchguy]

Hi all,

Recently we have been able to watch season 4 here in the Netherlands.
* I really love this serie *

Season 4 however is giving me for some reason much more things to think about than before

One of these things is: -- and I am sorry if I missed any other posts discussing this already, this forum is overwhelming with info and thoughts --

*spoiler?*


From previous seasons it is known that Walternate was not able to figure out where Peter went. That info was given by Olivia, who by accident ran into Walternate and gave her diary-drawings.
The observers -clearly?- reversed the intervention in the lake, and did not help save Peter from drowning.
I am puzzled, but that would mean to me that the young Olivia would never've been able to say anything to Walternate.
How come then, that the red-universe have made contact? like for some reason obducting our Olivia, but so many years later.
As far as I understood, blue-universe was not affected by Peter's transition unbalancing the universes, only red got screwed.

Am I missing something? or did the writers create a Paradox?

Secondly;
Peter had two choices in the machine, we saw his first choice ( final episode of season 3).
I am puzzled why he'd be alive after one choice and not the other. Implying that the one observer would still have rescued Peter from drowning based on that choice?
What effect does Peter's choice have on the Observer? Any thoughts?

Thx for sharing your ideas

[Walter'sWalk]

Hi all,

Recently we have been able to watch season 4 here in the Netherlands.
* I really love this serie *

Season 4 however is giving me for some reason much more things to think about than before

One of these things is: -- and I am sorry if I missed any other posts discussing this already, this forum is overwhelming with info and thoughts --

*spoiler?*


From previous seasons it is known that Walternate was not able to figure out where Peter went. That info was given by Olivia, who by accident ran into Walternate and gave her diary-drawings.
The observers -clearly?- reversed the intervention in the lake, and did not help save Peter from drowning.
I am puzzled, but that would mean to me that the young Olivia would never've been able to say anything to Walternate.
How come then, that the red-universe have made contact? like for some reason obducting our Olivia, but so many years later.
As far as I understood, blue-universe was not affected by Peter's transition unbalancing the universes, only red got screwed.

Am I missing something? or did the writers create a Paradox?

Secondly;
Peter had two choices in the machine, we saw his first choice ( final episode of season 3).
I am puzzled why he'd be alive after one choice and not the other. Implying that the one observer would still have rescued Peter from drowning based on that choice?
What effect does Peter's choice have on the Observer? Any thoughts?

Thx for sharing your ideas

The short answer is that nobody knows and through the first seven episodes of season 4, we've only gotten new questions and no answers to the old questions. Nothing makes any sense and the writers haven't even attempted to explain or contextualize any of it despite being seven episodes into the new season.

I still like the show too, but it's frustrating because the new stuff we're getting isn't building on the old or even referencing what's already there. If the whole mythology has been rebooted as I've heard some people say, then we may never learn the answers to any of the old questions that were what made the show interesting and worth watching in the first place, and that's sad.

But right now, there's no answers for why everyone and every thing ended up in the exact same place in the S3 finale both when Peter existed and when he didn't.

[dutchguy]

Thanks Walter'sWalk for your quick response...


The short answer is that nobody knows ...
but there could thoughts about this.. knowing will come as soon as it is aired.. right?


I still like the show too, but it's frustrating because the new stuff we're getting isn't building on the old or even referencing what's already there. If the whole mythology has been rebooted as I've heard some people say, then we may never learn the answers to any of the old questions that were what made the show interesting and worth watching in the first place, and that's sad.
That would be really frustrating.


But right now, there's no answers for why everyone ended up in the exact same place in the S3 finale both when Peter existed and when he didn't.
I believe they ended up in exact same space due to Peter's second choice.. which I believe is to unite the universes (orange). Since both red and blue characters were at liberty island, they ended up seeing each other.. not?
But that was ONLY when Peter thereafter stopped existing.
With his first choice - destroying red universe - they did not end up together, we did not even see that.. skipped in time forward. ( 2026 or so?) But Peter did not stop to exist.

[Emma]

Cool, someone else from the Netherlands :)

I share your opinion, there're so many questions about how things turned out the way they did!

In the first place: Walter did go to the redverse to get Peter and returned. So the imbalance was created eventhough Peter drowned. The imbalance had effect both on the redverse aswell on the blueverse, but much more and faster on the redverse.

Secondly, but this is only my look on things: we haven't seen William Bell in this season yet. I thing he's playing a key role in the story. In season 1 we learned he is over there and not able te come back. We don't why he went there in the first place. Beceause of the erase of Peter, in my opinion, William Bell isn't dead, because he died in the epp where Olivia, Walter and the cortexiphan kids went to the redverse to get Peter back. But there was never a Peter. So, what is William Bell doing over there and maybe he informed Walternate about the two universes (on purpose or not).

Well, these are some of my random thoughts. Can wait for sunday evening! :D

[aldis]

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