Official 4.19 "Letters of Transit" Discussion Thread

[AnimeArchAngel]

Fringe: Season 4 Episode 19

4.19"Letters of Transit"
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THE FRINGE TEAM GOES BACK TO THE FUTURE ON AN ALL-NEW "FRINGE" FRIDAY, APRIL 20, ON FOX

The FRINGE tradition of a mind-bending 19th episode continues as the story jumps ahead to 2036, when the Observers and the Fringe team engage in a game-changing battle in the all-new "Letters of Transit" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 20 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (FR-419) (TV-14 L, V)

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth; Seth Gabel as Lincoln Lee




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[Ariel]

An intesteresting look at the potential future. Really, really enjoyed this episode; had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. I wonder - are some of the Observers we already know part of those who led the Purge?

Glad to see Peter at the end, just sorry we never saw Livia.

[Orion7486]

I'll go ahead and note that the following is a spoiler if someone is reading this thread without watching this ep.



So, has DRJ's entire thing in Fringe been to ready the world to fight off the observers when they invade in 2036? At first, in seasons 1 & 2, I thought he was readying his soldiers to fight off the alt universe. Then it seemed that maybe he was just a egotistical maniac bent on creating a world of his own making with him playing god. I would hate that if all he ends up being is a one dimensional super intelligent crackpot better suited to a super hero comic book.
Hopefully he has been getting ready to fight the observers, just doing it in a way that may not have been the most moral way of doing it. In an ep in a previous season, the one where the ex soldiers' bodies were made into bombs themselves...they were supposed to intercept packages that were surveillance photos and info on the observers. Tonight's ep shines new light on that ep, in my opinion.

[mjjaques]

Ariel, Walter did mention that something happened to September. I'm hoping that he and the others we know were against the purge.

I loved the episode, one of my all-time favorites already. You could definitely see the effect that adding Walter's brain pieces back had on him, he was pretty cruel afterwards. Seeing the future world in this episode was kind of like seeing the alt universe for the first time - just awesome.

[altwally]

Any theories as to why Broyles' right eye was normal, unlike it was in the year 2015?

[BadInfluence]

So what had William Bell done to Olivia that Walter was referring to when talking to Astrid? I recall him telling her something about after what Bell had done to Olivia there could be no sympathy or something like that. So is this a reference to the tests ran on Olivia as a child which Walter would have been a part of or did I miss something? Could William Bell be Mr. X?

[Omniscient_Jay]

I'll go ahead and note that the following is a spoiler if someone is reading this thread without watching this ep.

So, has DRJ's entire thing in Fringe been to ready the world to fight off the observers when they invade in 2036? At first, in seasons 1 & 2, I thought he was readying his soldiers to fight off the alt universe. Then it seemed that maybe he was just a egotistical maniac bent on creating a world of his own making with him playing god. I would hate that if all he ends up being is a one dimensional super intelligent crackpot better suited to a super hero comic book.
Hopefully he has been getting ready to fight the observers, just doing it in a way that may not have been the most moral way of doing it. In an ep in a previous season, the one where the ex soldiers' bodies were made into bombs themselves...they were supposed to intercept packages that were surveillance photos and info on the observers. Tonight's ep shines new light on that ep, in my opinion.

This would all depend if Jones knew that the Observers would invade in 2015 several years in advance. I don't know how he could have prepared for such a thing, let alone learn how this would come to pass.

And there's also the passing line in this episode where someone noted that the old Fringe team "saved the world once". I take this to refer to Jones' defeat by their hand in the 2012 era, which means episodes 4.20-4.22 will basically be a flashback relative to the 2036-period.

If I had to guess, Jones' plans have nothing to do with the Observers, though that doesn't mean he will still turn out to be a mustache-twirling bad guy in the end. :confused0006:

[Mutsie]

This would all depend if Jones knew that the Observers would invade in 2015 several years in advance. I don't know how he could have prepared for such a thing, let alone learn how this would come to pass.

And there's also the passing line in this episode where someone noted that the old Fringe team "saved the world once". I take this to refer to Jones' defeat by their hand in the 2012 era, which means episodes 4.20-4.22 will basically be a flashback relative to the 2036-period.

If I had to guess, Jones' plans have nothing to do with the Observers, though that doesn't mean he will still turn out to be a mustache-twirling bad guy in the end. :confused0006:

* I believe Jones simply wants to rule the World... Like Napoleon and Hitler... :what:

:observer::tiphat:
♥

[Omniscient_Jay]

* I believe Jones simply wants to rule the World... Like Napoleon and Hitler... :what:

:observer::tiphat:
♥

Apparently, so do the Observers. XP

[Moviemath]

I'm wondering what the purpose of this 4.19 'FUTURE' episode might be.

Is it the catalyst raison d'etre for Jones's current day activities, legitimizing his plan to prevent a nasty future? Or is he simply the megalomaniacal beasty he appears to be? Could it be a warning for the Fringe team of 2012 to up their ante against the about-to-invade 27th century Observers?

How in the world anyone in 2012 knows what the future has in store in the first place has me scratching my head - let alone that future being the only possible one.

[Aside: Is all this happening on one side only or both? There are still two 'verses' in the Amberverse after all.]

TBH I don't know if I really care at this late stage to stitch one possible future to what is happening now, or to figure out all the ramifications and potentialities - connected or unconnected as this future may be. If all this ep does is serve as a warning to those in the here and now then it only serves as distracting filler. If it is creating a new branch of the myth-arc with the emotionless [non-interfering!] Observers now returning as Totalitarian oppressors then the possibility the show's credibility has just been derailed is menacingly real for me. I really don't know if I could handle a new season that explores this potential future with Observers as somewhat passionate fascists only to have this plot tangent resolved by a timeline re-write [or some clever side-step by our Fringe team] at some point in a later ep. It kinda starts to wear thin - as I really don't see Fringe ending on a series downer in the sense of 'There's no hope for what the future has in store for us'.

However, if that is the route the showrunners choose then so be it. I guess I was anticipating a more concerted attempt towards resolving some unanswered questions raised in previous seasons and episodes, but so far Fringe has remained true to form in favor of raising more questions than it seeks to answer. It is not beyond the grasp of simple understanding as to why the show has lost a substantial number of viewers. Mewonders if Fox and WB were waiting for the results [ratings] of this episode before deciding on whether or not another, possibly shortened, season of Fringe is a good idea. 4.19 falls under the following categories for me: Convoluted new plotline soon to be resolved [or not] - of which either outcome seems dramatically unchallenging, justification for a joining of forces to prevent the baldies from taking over, myth distraction. Believe me, beyond this pessimistic viewpoint, I can see the funny side of all this as well - though this may be borne more out of incredulity given a seeming neglect by the showrunners of the real need to keep Fringe alive rather than what appears to be a 'creative' ignoring of the show's current, very dire, predicament. At the very least it makes for interesting observation [heh] of how certain showrunners approach a series finale.

I would truly take my hat off to Pinkner and Wyman if they could assuage my presently lowered interest with a creatively credible Fringe closure. I patiently await the series finale making no apology for my somewhat lowered expectations and present ambivalence, though I do openly welcome an exciting end the reality of that happening may just be a little too much to hope for.

Hmm.



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[elhena]

I loved the episode! But I just wanted to point out that there seems to be no female observer. I wonder why (and how) is that and more importantly, how do they reproduce??
And with all the technology and the energy it requires to go back in tme, how could they just "make" another earth. Out of scratch, out of March...
Anyyways, I'm just being silly Billy :haha: I loved the episode and Walter cracked me up more than once

[hantowertg]

Did anyone else notice that Simon Foster called Walter's invention "some kind of beacon?"

Could this device have any relationship to the Beacon we all know and love?




Also... the code to get into Massive Dynamic, 092112.

Does anyone remember the code to get into the daycare in 2x15 Jacksonville back in Season 2? It was 52010, and Walter said that the code came from Bell. That was the date the finale of Season 2 aired, 2x22 Over There (Part 2). Not only that, it was also the date of the events depicted in the episode, something that Bell had been planning for.

It would seem to suggest to me that September 21st 2012 is a significant event leading up to the 2036 future. I would put my chips on Henrietta's birthdate...

[Whisky George]

=_= Weird... Did my post get deleted?

Anyway, as I tried to say lol...I just friggin noticed. Widmark is portrayed by the same actor who voiced one of the greatest villains of modern fiction:
http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/char.gif

Pretty damn neat! His voice DID seem familiar, but I was too distracted by his douchebagginess.

[_rq]

It would seem to suggest to me that September 21st 2012 is a significant event leading up to the 2036 future.

have to say this: it's also a Friday.

[Dreamachineries]

Who else thought about ZFT ("Destruction through the Advancement of Technology") when Walter went on about how the Observers poisoned their own planet?

I truly believe that DRJ is trying to stop the future we just saw from happening... I'm just dreading what the alternative option would be. Would it be better or even worse?

Can't wait for the last 3 episodes of this season, it's going to be one hell of a ride.

[ljlemer]

1) I don't recognize that cartoon character. Was I supposed to?

2) How can the Fringe team defeat an enemy that can travel back and forth in time? As soon as they are aware of Walter's arrival, they can skip back and be there waiting for him or even skip further back and prevent his "amberization". Yes, I know the original Observers didn't like tampering with the past, but they would in self-defense.

3) How can mind-readers lack empathy for their victims?

[Gabrielgil513]

We know Very Little about Jones. He always seems steps ahead of Peter, Liv and Walter. Many times in the series, his accomplishments leave them scratching their heads. How were we introduced to Jones? Teleportation? Did Peter know how to do that at that time or at any time since? Are you aware of Jones' limitations? Why would you assume to know more about the Observers than Jones? That at best seems a stretch on your part?

[Gabrielgil513]

[QUOTE=This would all depend if Jones knew that the Observers would invade in 2015 several years in advance. I don't know how he could have prepared for such a thing, let alone learn how this would come to pass.]

We know Very Little about Jones. He always seems steps ahead of Peter, Liv and Walter. Many times in the series, his accomplishments leave them scratching their heads. How were we introduced to Jones? Teleportation? Did Peter know how to do that at that time or at any time since? Are you aware of Jones' limitations? Why would you assume to know more about the Observers than Jones? That at best seems a stretch on your part?

[FullMoonMama]

Can we all discuss the fact that Olivia and Peter named their baby girl after a child that doesn't exisist!!!! That TOTALLY ruined it for me. lol<br>
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And the Ending... GAH! "Henrietta?" "Hi Dad" END OF EPISODE! <br>
I was totally sucked in, like a addict on a fix... and then WHAM!!! the writers yanked my needle away!!!

[imcomguy]

It would seem to suggest to me that September 21st 2012 is a significant event leading up to the 2036 future. I would put my chips on Henrietta's birthdate...Your chips should be more on this being the opening date for SEASON 5! It is a Friday, and a typical launch timeframe for a new season to start.

Very sneaky and creative for this to be thrown in there. And hopefully a good sign!!!!

[Jane42]

Oh. My. Goooooooooooooossssshhhhhhh! Oh my gosh.

This is what they should have been doing all along, the producers. I don't mean to imply to dumb it down, but making a clear objective, inserting two very charismatic new characters (Simon and Etta), and playing on hardcores' knowledge will make this a joy!

Uh, yes, I liked it. :haha: I missed Liv and Lincoln. Hope they enjoyed the time off. I hope you're back soon!

Are we staying in 2036 now? I wouldn't complain. It's just going to change some orientation. This was an 11 out of a 1 to 10. *Wild applause* My jaw dropped to the ground when Walter was thrown against the wall. Hey, he's 60ish, can't do that with old bones. Fortunately, he's okay, and starts eating Twizzlers (that's what I call the twisted red licorice).

It was fun to visit fun, zany Walter, but I was relieved when he got 3 pieces of his brain back. Kind of like an old experiment with wormy creatures called lamina.

Etta and Simon, welcome aboard!

I'll absorb all that stuff about Peter and Etta later. She won me over from the first scene she was in. She has his eyes and Liv's face, hair, and walk. *G*

[imcomguy]

Can we all discuss the fact that Olivia and Peter named their baby girl after a child that doesn't exisist!!!! That TOTALLY ruined it for me. lol

And the Ending... GAH! "Henrietta?" "Hi Dad" END OF EPISODE!

I was totally sucked in, like a addict on a fix... and then WHAM!!! the writers yanked my needle away!!!

First off, Peter still knows the child existed. And Olivia, if all of this is happening and William Bell is back and we've somehow rewound/refound previous time again, knows Henry the cab driver and the significance he played in her life and allowing her to escape from the other side. There is no reason to think that Henry wasn't still a choice for a boy, and Henrietta for a girl. Especially if "Ella and Eddy" are her nieces in the revised blue world. "Etta" is close to both and just works.

At least for me it does. :)

[Jane42]

Surely I'm not the only one chanting, "Lincoln, be ambered somewhere."

Olivia's gone? Or incapacitated somewhere?

Ken Tucker does a great review of this episode. He reminds the audience about the "Fringe" poetry, instead of the science fiction opus some of us (me!) want it to be. He's right.

Fringe can be poetic. If I let it be poetic to me.

[Omniscient_Jay]

First off, Peter still knows the child existed. And Olivia, if all of this is happening and William Bell is back and we've somehow rewound/refound previous time again, knows Henry the cab driver and the significance he played in her life and allowing her to escape from the other side. There is no reason to think that Henry wasn't still a choice for a boy, and Henrietta for a girl. Especially if "Ella and Eddy" are her nieces in the revised blue world. "Etta" is close to both and just works.

At least for me it does. :)

The previous timeline is not in effect, though. Peter knows of Henry, and his name, but he doesn't know where the name comes from, and does not know its significance. To name his child Henrietta, then, strikes me as very odd. What's so important about the name Henry/Henrietta for Peter? The only logical reason is that Peter is trying to honour the memory of baby Henry, but he never knew about the existence of the child, so the only thing he would be honouring is the image of Henry he witnessed in September's mind, so this scenario is a stretch.

Essentially, the problem is why woul Peter name his daughter a female variation of the name of his son, a child who not only no longer physically exists in any form save memory, but whose existence Peter was unaware of until September told him, and whose conception was technically illegitimate and unwitting.

[phx219]

It would seem to suggest to me that September 21st 2012 is a significant event leading up to the 2036 future. I would put my chips on Henrietta's birthdate...

Duhh..... thats when Season 5 of Fringe premieres!!! WOOOOT!!!!!

[ljlemer]

Couldn't Oliva have named her?

[phx219]

Olivia knew a Henry that helped her, but woudln't know anything about the kid or his involvment in Fauxlivia's birth. Peter would have known the name Henry from talking to September. Either way its not horribly ridiculous that they would go with a similar name, and its also not unreasonable to think that its just another "parrallel" thing where sometimes things just head in a similar direction regardless.

[Omniscient_Jay]

Olivia knew a Henry that helped her, but woudln't know anything about the kid or his involvment in Fauxlivia's birth. Peter would have known the name Henry from talking to September. Either way its not horribly ridiculous that they would go with a similar name, and its also not unreasonable to think that its just another "parrallel" thing where sometimes things just head in a similar direction regardless.

So it would be like:

PETER: Let's name her Henrietta.
OLIVIA: You know, I once knew a Henry. He helped me out once. I first met him while I was trap-
PETER: - Henrietta it is, then!

Or alternatively:

OLIVIA: You know, I once knew a Henry. He helped me out once. I think we should name her Henrietta.
PETER: This is weird for me for reasons I never got around to explaining to you (lolololol), but why not? Henrietta it is.

This second scenario might work, but only if Olivia doesn't know about baby Henry. You also noted that it could be simply due to ironic symmetry that Olivia names her child after Henry Higgins, just as Altlivia once did (though she probably doesn't know about that).

In a scenario where Peter informed Olivia of Henry's existence, then it would be really odd to name their child after him. You'd think that they would both want to move on from that period in their lives, and not have a constant reminder of Peter's past blunders in the form of their daughter.

Hopefully, they'll give us the reasoning behind the name; at this point, it seems to be pushing it in terms of plausibility (but that's probably just me and my great disapproval for the Pregnancy arc).

[hantowertg]

Duhh..... thats when Season 5 of Fringe premieres!!! WOOOOT!!!!!

Fringe hasn't even been renewed yet. Let alone the fact they couldn't have known it would be renewed when this episode was filmed.

Besides the questionable renewal, I don't think the networks know the dates of their premieres until the summer anyway.

[imcomguy]

Fringe hasn't even been renewed yet. Let alone the fact they couldn't have known it would be renewed when this episode was filmed.

Besides the questionable renewal, I don't think the networks know the dates of their premieres until the summer anyway.

Yes, but, EDITING has nothing to do with filming. They could have filmed this (and something else) on a whim, and put it in the final distro even during the week leading up to the show being aired. AND, generally this is the premiere timeframe for Fringe. All of the previous seasons started in and around this date in September, and this just happens to be on the Friday during the same weeks the previous seasons have started. (Sept 8, Sept 17, Sept 23, Sept 23 have been the previous years).

It is too much of a coincidence to not have to do with something. If you have watched Fringe since the beginning, the one thing you should know is numbers always mean something, especially when they blatantly zoom in on the keypad. If season 5 is indeed a reality, I would bet my house on it premiering September 21st.

[hantowertg]

Yes, but, EDITING has nothing to do with filming. They could have filmed this (and something else) on a whim, and put it in the final distro even during the week leading up to the show being aired. AND, generally this is the premiere timeframe for Fringe. All of the previous seasons started in and around this date in September, and this just happens to be on the Friday during the same weeks the previous seasons have started. (Sept 8, Sept 17, Sept 23, Sept 23 have been the previous years).

It is too much of a coincidence to not have to do with something. If you have watched Fringe since the beginning, the one thing you should know is numbers always mean something, especially when they blatantly zoom in on the keypad. If season 5 is indeed a reality, I would bet my house on it premiering September 21st.

The boded part is my reservation. I 100% agree that IF there is a season 5, this will be the air date. We don't know if there will be one, though. Fringe just got a terrible 1.0 rating. The only reason there's any chance at all for a fifth season is because WB would like to cash in on syndication deals, but this doesn't mean a fifth season is a done deal.

[phx219]

Yes, but, EDITING has nothing to do with filming. They could have filmed this (and something else) on a whim, and put it in the final distro even during the week leading up to the show being aired. AND, generally this is the premiere timeframe for Fringe. All of the previous seasons started in and around this date in September, and this just happens to be on the Friday during the same weeks the previous seasons have started. (Sept 8, Sept 17, Sept 23, Sept 23 have been the previous years).

It is too much of a coincidence to not have to do with something. If you have watched Fringe since the beginning, the one thing you should know is numbers always mean something, especially when they blatantly zoom in on the keypad. If season 5 is indeed a reality, I would bet my house on it premiering September 21st.


and that is the clue for the episode that has been referred to as a template for S5 if they get the go ahead.. :P

[altwally]

It looked like Bell was caught in the amber the same way Simon was, by pushing someone out. Who do you suppose he pushed out and when?

[MacAdler]

It looked like Bell was caught in the amber the same way Simon was, by pushing someone out. Who do you suppose he pushed out and when?

Nice to see I'm not the only one thinking this. I thought that because of what Walter said about William and "what he had done to Olivia" he might have pushed her out of the amber so the Observers could get her and kill her? Or maybe she is still alive? who knows...

[hellrasinbrasin]

...Hmm so Windmark showed Broyles a Hologram of a dead DRJ did he survive the events of the season 4 finale only to be gunned down by a loyalist? And where has Bell been hiding this entire time. We assumed that Jones killed him in this rebooted timeline but that's proven to be wrong maybe Jones Ambered his butt after crossing over to the red verse I don't know. So the bullet necklace is the round that killed Olivia? (maybe?)

Now I have to wait until September to see the rest of Season 5 its not fair I say teasing us this way.

[Omniscient_Jay]

...Hmm so Windmark showed Broyles a Hologram of a dead DRJ did he survive the events of the season 4 finale only to be gunned down by a loyalist? And where has Bell been hiding this entire time. We assumed that Jones killed him in this rebooted timeline but that's proven to be wrong maybe Jones Ambered his butt after crossing over to the red verse I don't know. So the bullet necklace is the round that killed Olivia? (maybe?)

Now I have to wait until September to see the rest of Season 5 its not fair I say teasing us this way.

The hologram actually showed the club owner, who was gunned down by a Loyalist. Hence why Windmark said he would have liked to eliminate the man himself had he had the chance, as the man had spit on him in the club.

[humbertomakris]

Just a few thoughts,
why wasnt etta with Peter/Olivia/walter when they ambered themselves ? did they intentionally let her grow up to eventually find them and free them in the future ?
Etta says throughout the episode that her parents died, but you also get the sense that she new she they were alive, as she believe the "myth" of the original fringe division as simon calls them before he's convinced of their existance after he sees walter.?
Also as someone already pointed out, the postion of bell is similar to that of simon,ie he pushed someone out of the amber. and only Olivia is missing, buthow much sense would it make to have Olivia as an old woman in 2036?? maybe bell pushed her, but the amber solidified around nontheless, but seperately from the rest(just like it did around simon's finger)?
the fringe division looks more like the altuniverse version?
ok, now back to the S4 timeframe, what could lead up to this future?
did the collision of both worlds destroy them and 4x19 is a new world? or did 1 of the 2 survive, or did they 2 worlds become one, with all the characters 'joining' and becoming one ?? like both broyles are now just one broyles? if they use the machine in the season finale does that negate the new timeline ? meaning that both Olivia's become one Olivia and Henry becomes Henrietta for some reason??? lol ??
the role of the observers ??? have they been keeping tabs on the progress on the earth to make sure their future survives ?? did jones succeed, thus destroying their future which led to them colonising 2015 timeline?
is bell behind Jones ?
any thoughts????

[tricked]

Completely random ... but I realized that, given >>the information here (http://www.fringebloggers.com/fringe-comic-character-profile-scans/)<<, that Nina would be about 93-94 years old in this episode, give or take lol :-)

Broyles would be about 73 lol.

Completely random, but thought I'd share. This thread seemed the most suited :-)

[Omniscient_Jay]

Completely random ... but I realized that, given >>the information here (http://www.fringebloggers.com/fringe-comic-character-profile-scans/)<<, that Nina would be about 93-94 years old in this episode, give or take lol :-)

Broyles would be about 73 lol.

Completely random, but thought I'd share. This thread seemed the most suited :-)

Cool; I've never seen these before.

And it's pretty handy, since the characters never actually mention or discuss their ages. :P

As a side note, Nina would indeed by pretty old, yet she seemed so young. Have they developed regenerative therapies and medicine? I'm sure Nina, working for the Ministry of Science, would have access to such things.

Perhaps she could share some with prune-faced Broyles. :haha:


EDIT: Broyles has a Bachelors in Theology? O.o

[tricked]

Cool; I've never seen these before. These were part of the pre-quel Comic at the San Diego Comic Con, to market Fringe before the pilot aired, etc. The prequel is where we first learn of "the Pattern" and some odd things associated with it :-).

Did you ever see Walter's lab notes after the episodes aired during Season One ? Those were wicked cool ...... gave me many theories. Like who designed the first beacon, etc and so forth ..... I don't know that I can link to them here though ...


And it's pretty handy, since the characters never actually mention or discuss their ages. :P During Season One when many people wondered if Olivia and Peter were bro/sis ... I referred back to those bios as evidence to the contrary. I found them helpful. And also, for catches like the one below ....


As a side note, Nina would indeed by pretty old, yet she seemed so young. Have they developed regenerative therapies and medicine? I'm sure Nina, working for the Ministry of Science, would have access to such things.

Perhaps she could share some with prune-faced Broyles. :haha: Yeah even Windmark looked more spry then old "botox please" Broyles ^_^



EDIT: Broyles has a Bachelors in Theology? O.oI know, right ?

So here's an example of an interesting catch that may or may not tie back to the characters ... if you notice, Nina graduated from Northwestern ... yes ?


http://poptimal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fringe4.jpg

[gofish]

New to the forum, had to post this because I haven't seen it anywhere else.....

Could Simon be related to the Bishops as well?

The most famous Peter (disciple of Jesus) in history, was named Simon-Peter?

[FullMoonMama]

Nope i don't think so.. but maybe walter knew his parents? since Simon admits that his parents were in the resistance... and It's quite obvious that Walter and the gang were as well...

[tricked]

Okay, one more random bit: about the glyphs leading up to this episode: "Future, Dream, Simon" ---

I think the common interpretation thus far has been that this is showing us a *possible* future in this 19th episode, but not *necessarily* a canon one.

However perhaps this is the meaning:

When Simon is getting ready to inject Walter with his brain-matter-cocktail, Walter is starting to feel the effects of the diazepam ... and says the following:
"Simon, like in the game Simon says. I'm suddenly feeling very tired, Simon. Simon says, 'Go to sleep now Walter' ...." and then Walter lays down to let his brain re-heal itself.

So perhaps the "future dream" is how Simon is responsible for making Walter "go to sleep", and healing his brain-pathways during that sleep, so that Walter can re-emerge what he needs to be in order to fight the future. In other words .... those 10 minutes where Simon tells us about the purge, and Walter's brain is perhaps "dreaming it's way to healing" .... is that very moment the glyphs were spelling out: future, dream, simon ....

Just a thought ^_^

[hellrasinbrasin]

...So the ZFT Manuscript was about the war against The Observers which begs the question "How Many Timeline Reboots Does it Take for an observer to grow hair"? So if Season 5 is given the go ahead that means that the actress who plays the daughter of Peter and Olivia would be seen in the 2036 portion of Season 5 and the 2012 portion of Season 5 would end with the 2015 purge. The Beginning of the End and The End of the Beginning in a whole Season. I hope everyone has their attention spans maxed out for the fall its gonna be one heck of a year.

[KayleeMechanique]

So after how brilliant this episode was, does anyone else have the insane desire to send a package of licorice to the FOX network with a desperate plea for them to give Fringe one more season?

-Kaylee

[thep]

*I know this is silly--but it's one thing I ALWAYS notice. Why, oh why, didn't they give Etta blue or green contact lenses? It is possible for blue and green eyed folks to have brown eyed kids--but I'd have liked her eyes to resemble one of her parents....

[FullMoonMama]

Anyone have a thought that this WHOLE show is actually inside Walter's mind.. and not actually 'real" ?

[FullMoonMama]

*I know this is silly--but it's one thing I ALWAYS notice. Why, oh why, didn't they give Etta blue or green contact lenses? It is possible for blue and green eyed folks to have brown eyed kids--but I'd have liked her eyes to resemble one of her parents....

Well techincally Anna Torv has Hazel coloured eyes.. a Mix of Green and brown.. so I guess if she has a brownish hue to her eyes.. the a full brown is possible.. also.. if you remember.. Peter's Mother had brown eyes. The brown is recessive obviously.. which is odd because usually brown is pocessive... Like take my family for example. My mother has blue eyes, My father has brown.. I got blue/green. My oldest's father had brown.. but my oldest got blue. My hubby (who isn't my oldest's father.. confused yet?) has brown and i have 2 children by him.. one has brown and the other has blue. With all the brown in our families.. we still made a baby with blue eyes... it could reverse with Olivia and Peter. Hazel+Blue= Brown?

[number six]

*I know this is silly--but it's one thing I ALWAYS notice. Why, oh why, didn't they give Etta blue or green contact lenses? It is possible for blue and green eyed folks to have brown eyed kids--but I'd have liked her eyes to resemble one of her parents....
Huh? Etta has blue eyes. A darker hue, just like Peter.

[jophan]

The mostly-dim lighting makes her eyes look dark, but there are a couple of scenes where you can see they are blue. Check the all white MD storage room, it's bright.

[xevious]

Does anyone recall the "Brown Betty" episode? There was definitely a mixed response to it. Some hated it, others loved it, and then many were scattered somewhere in between. There was also the partially animated episode in Season 3 that went all "weird"... (can't remember the name of it). Lots of people didn't like that one. Some speculated that it was done as a cost saving measure, because the special effects to achieve what they showed would have blown the budget.

Well, given the quality of work in episodes we've seen thus far, I'd find it very odd if this was just a "throw away" episode. It was a radical departure, touching on a rather large concept that created more questions than provided answers. The next episode is back to the timeline we've come to know in S4. So... what next? "Brave New World" parts 1 & 2 are the last two episodes of the season. If S4 is it, then I'd kind of expect that BNW would incorporate flash forwards to that future time (uh oh... smells like LOST!). Otherwise, we've got a 5th season pretty much set and people aren't being told about it to help keep a buzz going, that may help generate higher viewer ratings.

I'd heard it said that syndication for a series works best with a minimum of 100 episodes. Season 5 would help ensure that. And... well, it's just 23 episodes away. Perhaps JJ Abrams and company can help persuade backers of this.

[fringefollower]

I know it's sketchy, but is this the alternate ending the directors were implying in this episode? Please feel free to fill in the many blanks.

The finge team confronts Bell the father of the observer nation, he shoots Olivia, September sacrifices himself trying to stop the bullet, Walter not being albe to save her Ambers everyone...

In the future Henrietta recovers the bullet. Henrietta recovers Walter. Walter removes Bell's DNA (hand), creates the beacon using this DNA and traps all of the Observers inside it saving the day?

[jophan]

My guess is that this episode shows the stakes for S5, but that 2036 will not be revisited (except possibly in the series finale). The goal will be to prevent the Observer takeover rather than end it after it is established.

[hellrasinbrasin]

No I believe that Season 5 will be structured very much like Season 3 was. Instead of switching between Red & Blue Universes we will be switching between 2015 (Past) & 2036 (Present)