Was there any confirmation as to what happened to Olivia?

[ShogunOrta]

I've read some posts on here that say she was taken back in 2015. I just watched the episode and don't recall Etta ever saying what actually happened but only that she doesn't remember her parents. Yes, she was clutching the bullet on her necklace, but that was only a vague implication. And I do recall that there were only a limited number of people that Walter or Ella said were encased in the amber. But that still doesn't mean she's dead. She could have lived on, not encased in amber, and still be there with them in the future, but different for she lived through those twenty years. Though, lived through it in much secrecy I guess. I dunno, I'm just saying that they left that part sorta vague.

Oh yeah...!

And is this newest episode in the Blue or Red-verse?

[Ashok]

It was the future Blue Universe. Remember, the Observer told Peter he HAD to have a baby with Blue Olivia (Henrietta). And we don't really have enough information to know what happened to Olivia.

[ShogunOrta]

Soooo....what has happened to Red-verse then in that 2036 future??

[Jane42]

No. My understanding is it's a mystery what happened to Olivia, but Walter and Astrid acted like it was bad.

Heck she could be dead in 2036. Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they?

They might kill off Lincoln (I'd be Crushed!), but they wouldn't kill Olivia. Girl has worked through too many doppelgangers! :haha:

[Lij]

My guess is that Olivia was the rear guard that allowed the others to amber themselves. I think she is dead past 2015. But she need not be dead past 2015 once the show ends (resolving the "Observer Problem") - if it ends in a season 5 in real-time, that is 2013. Then that 2015 leading to 2036 would not have happened.

It was indeed the Bluverse that was depicted in 2036. The new Freedom Tower (http://www.nyc-tower.com/gallery/) was shown on the skyline of New York, not the Twin Towers. Seeing the new Freedom Tower was rather ironic concerning the plot line of the 'natives' being subjugated by the Observers.

[dALTnielle]

I think they intentionally didn't mention Olivia or at least something about Etta's mother at all, except for Walter saying "You know what Bell did to Olivia". He said did, not killed, or responsible in some way for her death. They wanted us to be confused.

Yes, Etta said that she hadn't seen her parents (which means both of them) since she was 4. So something happened to both of them in 2016. Peter Walter and Astrid got trapped in Amber. But after they were released none of them asked anything about Olivia. So something happened to her before they got trapped in Amber. And they probably thought her dead.

What confused me even more was the bullet and the way Etta kept holding it. When she saw the Amber with Walter in it, when she said that she last saw her parents when she was 4, at the end in the train. It may be the one that killed Olivia, maybe she was getting motivation from it to more forward and fight the Observers, so she can revenge her death or something... but to me she seemed more like she was looking for Olivia, at least that's what her face seemed to express, to me at least. And when she saw the amber with the other part of the team she seemed hopeful. Maybe she would have been even without Olivia being there, but I don't know, she had the same expression like when she was touching that bullet.

And after they released Astrid she did seem a little like she was expecting someone else. Though she wouldn't really remember how exactly her mother looked like and wouldn't have known through the Amber, she would have recognized her after. And then Etta asked Walter:"Walter where is....?" and she got interrupted. I think she was gonna ask about Olivia.

We have to little information and it was intentional. Highly suspicious. She may be dead but there's also a chance she's not.

I know they won't kill Olivia, she's one of the main characters and I'm really intrigued about what their plan is.

[capri]

the bullet in Henrietta's necklace kinda suggests Olivia is dead

I find it completely unlikely that Olivia was in the amber and peter just walked away and left her in there

[jophan]

The way I read dALTnielle's post and the episode is that Etta was separated from her parents in 2016, Bell did something unforgivable to Olivia, and after that Walter triggered the amber for some reason. There's no reason to believe Olivia was in the amber, but Etta thought she was, and she was disappointed when the woman released from amber was Astrid rather than her mother.

[Dr Gonzo]

Maybe the "great consequence" of saving the world, is Olivia dying.

[Jane42]

It was the future Blue Universe. Remember, the Observer told Peter he HAD to have a baby with Blue Olivia (Henrietta). And we don't really have enough information to know what happened to Olivia.

I agree, but that bullet is foreboding. It's bent, it hit something, and someone thought enough of it to put it around Etta's neck.

But they wouldn't dare kill Olivia!

[dawson_son]

I think they intentionally didn't mention Olivia or at least something about Etta's mother at all, except for Walter saying "You know what Bell did to Olivia". He said did, not killed, or responsible in some way for her death. They wanted us to be confused.

Yes, Etta said that she hadn't seen her parents (which means both of them) since she was 4. So something happened to both of them in 2016. Peter Walter and Astrid got trapped in Amber. But after they were released none of them asked anything about Olivia. So something happened to her before they got trapped in Amber. And they probably thought her dead.

What confused me even more was the bullet and the way Etta kept holding it. When she saw the Amber with Walter in it, when she said that she last saw her parents when she was 4, at the end in the train. It may be the one that killed Olivia, maybe she was getting motivation from it to more forward and fight the Observers, so she can revenge her death or something... but to me she seemed more like she was looking for Olivia, at least that's what her face seemed to express, to me at least. And when she saw the amber with the other part of the team she seemed hopeful. Maybe she would have been even without Olivia being there, but I don't know, she had the same expression like when she was touching that bullet.

And after they released Astrid she did seem a little like she was expecting someone else. Though she wouldn't really remember how exactly her mother looked like and wouldn't have known through the Amber, she would have recognized her after. And then Etta asked Walter:"Walter where is....?" and she got interrupted. I think she was gonna ask about Olivia.

We have to little information and it was intentional. Highly suspicious. She may be dead but there's also a chance she's not.

I know they won't kill Olivia, she's one of the main characters and I'm really intrigued about what their plan is.

I agree Etta was looking for both. for all we know the bullet could mean family and hope for her to keep looking for them . She keeps touching the bullet in certain moments like when she found Walter. They wanna us to be confused. I dont think she is in amber. Whatever Bell did to her was after Etta saw her parents for the last time and before the amber incident.They wanted though his hand to do something , maybe a link to OLivia or the device?

As for Killing Olivia maybe in the last episode but before ? maybe not i mean is it kinda weird all season they hint to her death and she dies . In lost i would guess it but its fringe . Fate changes . No twist at all.

[Dagenspear]

Maybe the "great consequence" of saving the world, is Olivia dying.
Or maybe the saving the world comment was a reference to Peter activating the machine in the s3 finale and creating the bridge, and the consequence was him being erased from existence. Really, who knows?

[Dagenspear]

I agree, but that bullet is foreboding. It's bent, it hit something, and someone thought enough of it to put it around Etta's neck.

But they wouldn't dare kill Olivia!
That's exactly right. The bullet IS bent. And a bullet that killed someone wouldn't just be bent, would it? I don't know anything about guns or bullets or stuff like that.

[Dr Gonzo]

Or maybe the saving the world comment was a reference to Peter activating the machine in the s3 finale and creating the bridge, and the consequence was him being erased from existence. Really, who knows?

But if the consequence is Peter being erased from existence, but he is able to come back into existence, where is the consequence?

[LordManhammer]

But if the consequence is Peter being erased from existence, but he is able to come back into existence, where is the consequence?

I'd say rewriting an entire timeline is a great consequence. It altered things in so many ways and not necessarily for the better.

[trancefreak64]

I think it is safe to say that after September told Olivia that he looked @ every future and everyone was the same outcome for Olivia. Unless September takes a bullet for her cause he was clearly shot exploring these possibilities. Maybe the Bullet Represents Septembers life for Olivia to live and indicates hope.