A Timeline Graphic for events in the Fringe Universe

[Fringeling]

UPDATE 06/22/09:

(previous edit 06/01/09):

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/173/b/1/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg

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Reference Links:

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Since the timeline is still currently in a single graphic format, the reference numbers for each entry have a corresponding clickable link at the bottom of this thread entry. I tried to include visible references for almost every entry. I excluded things that are obvious or easily inferred from watching the episodes (or reading the comics, etc.). Many of the references are simply captions from the script for the associated episode. If you have any question as to which episode the reference came from, the answer can be found in the file name associated with the link. The majority of the references apply to the history of Fringe previous to "Bound", and/or include history implied by "Bound" and subsequent episodes.

The reason I included references are to help provide accuracy in the timeline, and so others can also draw their own conclusions and not rely solely on the way I "interpret" the timing of events, etc. I realized after several episodes that those who look to this timeline need to rely on more than just my "information", so hopefully the references will aide in finding mistakes I've made, information I've misread, or data we rely on collectively for some of our theories.

I scoured a lot of different resources to create the "Timeline" of events that have happened thus far in the Fringe universe / mythos. Some of the events probably have no bearing, while others glare at you when grouped together on a timeline. I included things such as birthdates, pattern occurrences, MD history, etc.

I would love some feedback on it --- I'm sure I missed something or got some bit of information wrong somewhere. I plan on updating it throughout the first season at least (and as long as I watch the show ;-) ) as information is provided (by episode, release, comic, etc). After the first season I will probably convert it to strictly editable text.

Hope someone finds it useful....I have already! There are some very interesting connections :

For anyone who has the time, please let me know if there is something I missed or got wrong ...... :o Since I am the only one collecting the data for it, the chance for error is greater (and I want this thing to be reliable) :D

[D-Roc]

I think this will be best suited in the AIP forum, as it's not really theory or speculation - however if you specifically want to develop a theory from it let me know and I'll move it back to T&S.

This is an epic contribution - this has potential to be a vital reference/source of information. Good start!

[theVOID]

This is very cool, but wouldn't it be more useful for now if this was a thread that you can edit on the fly based on posts in this thread.

D-Roc, how about a separate forum for the time line and other fringe resources?

[Ludak]

Nice work!! Cept I'm confused, where is the cow story from? the 210 dead cattle and things. And where'd you get all those dates? They aren't on the show are they?

[Daisy]

That's awesome!!

[Fringeling]

This is very cool, but wouldn't it be more useful for now if this was a thread that you can edit on the fly based on posts in this thread.

D-Roc, how about a separate forum for the time line and other fringe resources?

Yeah, you might be right. I just thought it would be nice to have something easier on the eyes than just plain text. Here is a quick list of the notes I made in order to make the Timeline. I suppose one could work off these notes to update, etc.

And for those who are not familiar with all the sources (like where the 210 cattle dying comes from, etc.), I pulled from the comic books, episodes, Walter's lab notes, ***********, MD website, etc. Some of the information I found (like on ***********) I was unsure how they came up with that information. For entries like that, I put something like "how do we know?" next to it because I couldn't verify it ------ anyway, there are probably some spelling errors in my notes:

8/21/1912 Robert Bishop born , died 12/11/1944
1921 Javier Aguilar born (future Lisbon incident)
12/11/1944 Robert Bishop died
1946 Walter Bishop born
1954 William Bell bron
7/7/1959 Jacob Fischer born in Cleveland, OH (Power Hungry)
8/8/61 David robert jones born in London, England (In Which We Meet Mr. Jones)
1962 Casey Peretti born (the Arrival cemetary)
1963 Phillip Broyles born (how do we know this?)
9/26/1964 Richard and Morgan Steig born (Pilot) dead 2008
1965 George Morales born (Dreamscape) dies 2008
1966 John Scott born -- died 2008
7/18/71 Joseph Smith born dead 2008
1974 Walter meets William Bell at Harvard. Walter teaches Physics 301.
1976 Charlie Francis born (how do we know this?)
1978 Olivia Dunham born
1978 Peter Bishop born (how do we know this?)
1982 Astrid Farnsworth born (how do we know this?)
1985 Javier Aguilar goes into stroke induced coma
1985 Walter in Heidelberg Germany
1987 Olivia's step father leaves after being shot by Olivia
1987 The Beacon first sighted at Quantico, VA investigation lead by Col Henry Jacobson -- died 2008
1990 Casey Peretti dies (the Arrival cemetary)
1991 John Scott joins FBI in Washington and NY field offices as info analyst
1991 Walter Bishop institutionalized in St. Claires for manslaughter
1992 Bellmedics Founded by William Bell (due to biomedical nanoelectric circuit breakthrough)
1992 Nina Sharp joins MD
1995 John Scott assigned to Boston Field Office
1997 Nina Sharp diagnosed with Cancer shortly after Boston Marathon
1997 Cyrus Manatt joins MD in Legal Affairs division
1998 Fleming-Monroe Aeronautics created PEARL Aerocontrol system developed William bell
1998 Joanne Ostler believed to have died in car accident (the Equation)
1998 Ben Stockton born (the Equation)
1998 John Thompson missing (along with 46 other children)
4/24/1998 Adam Sears missing from Chicago, IL (Comic Book)
1999 BellMEDICS and Fleming-Monroe merge becoming MAssive Dynamics
10/10/99 Kyle Richard Beltran born (birth certificate in Walter's junk)
2001 ExtensaLife medical/biological subsidiary taken over
2002 Evelina Mendoza joins DEA (woman with the "chip" in Ghost Network)
2002 10 year anniversary of MD; MD breathroughs with Q-Security computing and telecom, AI, Bio-computation, quantum cryptography
2004 MD burst into world of entertainment
2004 Nina Sharp promoted to Chief Operating Officer
2005 Cyrus Manatt named Senior VP of MD
2006 Dr. Claus Penrose joins Chairman and Director of biology dept at Boston College
2007 Ludic Science created: MD entertainment subsidiary design digital effects software
2007 Observer first officially noticed by Broyles and company (prior to Pattern Team of Olivia)
12/22/2007 210 cattle die full of human orgnans at a ranch near Topeka, KS (27 mi out)
3/8/2008 Moratuwa / Sri Lanka wiped out by tsunami 83,000 people dead ; exact 5km epicenter
4/24/2008 Adam Sears found outside pharmaceutical co. Munich Germany (no memory of events)
5/11/2008 Lisbon, Portugal: Javier Aguilar (87yo) wakes up and gives coordinates of every US Navy ship in Pacific
7/19/2008 Taylor Incident as discussed by Dr. Chen of National Taiwan University, unknown event
2008 Flight 647 from Hamburg Germany to Boston, MASS sparks the forming of the Pattern Team by Broyles with Olivia
2008 Walter Bishop released from St. Claires, reunites with son
2008 Dr. Claus Penrose injured and "children" investigated
2008 Ghost Network investigated, Evelina Mendoza killed (has "the chip"), Grant Davidson killed by MAtthew Zeigler who kills himself
2008 Power Hungry investigation of Dr. Jacob Fischer, Fischer captured
2008 Beacon arrives in Boston, MASS, approx 3 weeks after flight 647. Over 3 dozen pictures of Observer, Henry Jacobson killed, John Mosley killed
2008 David Esterbrook and Nadim Patel investigated in The Cure. Patel kills himself, Esterbrook arrested, Claire Williams is saved (victim of experiments)
2008 Mr. Jones interviewed in Germany, Joseph Smith killed, "Little Hill" clue given to deceitful agent Loeb and wife
2008 Ben Stockton abducted (the Equation) (nine months earlier hit by car, in coma for six days)
2008 three months after being released, Walter returns to St. Claires to speak with Daschell Kim, sees AlterWalter, equation solved, Loeb performs physics miracle, Joanne Ostler killed
2008 Olivia investigates death of Mark Young, George Morales killed, Olivia goes back into tank
12/22/2008 Mark Young supposed to fly from NY to Omaha Nebraska on Oceanic Air, one year after first published account of a Pattern event.

:shiny:

[Fringeling]

I think this will be best suited in the AIP forum, as it's not really theory or speculation - however if you specifically want to develop a theory from it let me know and I'll move it back to T&S.

This is an epic contribution - this has potential to be a vital reference/source of information. Good start!

Thanx! I've never made an epic contribution that I know of :haha: :goodvibes:

And I wasn't sure the best place to post it, I was hoping you'd find it a good home (outside of the recycle bin of course)!! I like the idea of a separate forum with resources --- a lot of stuff could be moved there (like the numbers found in FRinge, etc.)....

[Wondermind]

Good background work Fringeling. Thanks for taking time out in order to sweat through all the details. This will make for good referrence as well as other data collected on this forum. :tiphat:

[zadok]

Isn't Robert Bishop Walter's dad? If so, he couldn't have died in 1944 if his son was born in 1946...

[Fringeling]

Okay, for those who may be using the Timeline :o :

I updated it today after tonights episode. I will just change the pic in the first post with the updated pic, and will put a notice in bold red above the pic with the edit date.

Changes I made:
* added that Walter Bishop was born in England (per John Noble interview)
* 2006 Raul Lugo (Safe) leaves his wife and goes to Washington , DC
* 1985 Walter purchased safety deposit boxes in Cleveland, Baltimore, Philidelphia, and Providence under false names (to supposedly keep safe his time/teleportation device)
* 1985 Walter gives lecture at Syracuse University
* 2004 Captain Robert Norton discharged from Air Force (member of Loebs group, in Safe)
* 2008 Raul Lugo dies, Mr. Jones teleported from Germany to Little Hill, Olivia kidnapped
* 1936 Dr. Alfred Gross dies (Swiss doctor,Safe -- cured bird flu thing called hepium?)

Thanx, and hope it's proving useful to somebody!:happy15:

[Fringeling]

For those interested, I updated the Timeline with info that I caught during the "Safe" episode :happy15:

[D-Roc]

Sweet. This is very useful, thanks for your hard work!

[Fringeling]

I updated the Timeline Graphic again (the one at the beginning of this thread). I caught some more info --- basically this is what I added:


* Ghost Network investigation occurred nine months after Pattern first recognized (approx 09/08)

* flight 647 took place between August and September 08 (despite snow in episode)

* Beacon most likely arrives either September or October 08

* Raul Lugo inpatient at VA from 5/2/08 released from Capitol VA Med Ctr 10/14/08

* Ben Stockton in car accident either Jan or Feb 2008

I sure wish I could nail down some of these dates more accurately. If I could only figure out the date that flight 647 happened I could more accurately determine some of the others. I thought I saw a date on the Transfer form Mr. Jones was going to sign in Safe (possibly 11/5?) but it's hard to say. Also, Europeans often reverse the day and month (I think), so that transfer request could have been written on 5/11 as well as 11/5.

I think dates are being left out intentionally --- they are not on Olivia's email, or TV news reports, or they are fudged so as not to make them out clearly, etc. When they are mentioned, I have a feeling they are mentioned for a reason .....

I'm sure something easy is out there staring me in the face and I'm just not seeing it :faintthud:

[Citizen]

I just discovered this, and I have to say that you've done a man's work. This is a timeline doing a timeline's job. I was thinking about rewatching everything and establishing a timeline to post here, but I can see that I wouldn't have been able to construct something like that. Great reference just in case anyone ever needs it ;)

[D-Roc]

This is really useful, even if you don't have some of the dates nailed down I wouldn't worry about it. As you said, they're being a bit vague about some of the dates (probably intentionally). I'll definitely be referring back to this thread for some of my theories.

By the way, it's great to see the time-line mapped out in linear form, since we're dealing with such a nonlinear show!

[Fringeling]

Okay, I rewatched Ghost Network and The Cure, and gleaned some more info which I updated into the Timeline. I also tried to clean it up a bit, but I'm not very good at editing :ashamed0001:

Here is essentially what I added to the edit this time:

* Walter made magnetic neurostimulator device in 1983

* Roy McComb Ghost Network guy first experienced sensations 9 months ago (approx 12/2008)

* Evelina Mendoza tasekd to infiltrate East coast representatives of nicarauguan drug cartel 3 months ago (approx june 08)

* 9/15/07 apparent bridge collapse

*Olivia first knows she wants to be in law enforcement (1987)

* pattern first noticed 12/07

* specific times that Jones was teleported and Nina called in London

* 9/9/08 MD website launched, first episode aired

* The Cure: Olivia Dunhams Birthday,
Emily Kramer dies

* around flight 647 time, Claire Williams goes into remission

* approx 7/08 cure for Bellini's lymphocemia is discovered (time release radioactive strontium 90 isotope

As always, this is a great forum, and thanx for your kind words !!:happy15: It's a blast ..... :anim_36:

[Matthew]

Wow this is awesome! I'm glad to see something like this because I have been waiting for something like it to explain everything about the timeline of events!

[Fringeling]

Wow this is awesome! I'm glad to see something like this because I have been waiting for something like it to explain everything about the timeline of events!

Cool! And if you notice something I screw up or leave out, pleeeeze let me know !:ninja:

[Fringeling]

I updated the Timeline (I re-watched the pilot and caught some stuff). Essnetially, here are the changes:

* Walter born in january (from the shot of his NY DL)

* Bell out of country for two weeks (from pilot)

* The summer before Peter started highschool he went from fat to thin. This would be approximately the summer of 1993 (if he graduated in 1997 and 93 was his Freshman year)

* 1976 Walter posited the synaptic transfer theory

* 1972 DOD had Walter working on contagion bio-warfare for possible use against Viet Cong.

I did not include these dates in the timeline because I couldn't figure out what they were exactly (they are all from the shot of Walter's "file" that Olivia showed Broyles):

* misc date 01/05/04 (hard to make out) ???, also date of file 2/15/06? ..... date of transfer ??/??/03 (hard to make out)? not sure what these dates are implying .... I'm sure someone has already figured out these dates, as it's an old screenshot and all. If anyone reads this and can offer any insight, feel free :)

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/WalterDLscreencap2.jpg

[Agent Dunham]

When I looked at the picture; I noticed something on it saying 'Flight 627'. What is that about?

[Fringeling]

When I looked at the picture; I noticed something on it saying 'Flight 627'. What is that about?

That caught me off guard as well. So I am assuming she printed off this "file", and the print out grouped it with "evidence files"? for the case she was working on ---- flight 627. Maybe that is why it has Flight 627 there, to associate the print out with other evidence on the case.

But if that is the case, then why does it say under it --- Date of File 2/15/06? We can be 99% certain the events in the pilot happened in 2008. And Walter had been in St. Claires for awhile by the time 2006 rolled around. So if the date had to do with when his license was revoked, why would NY wait so long to revoke it? Unless someone pulled the file in 2006 ---- and associated with it flight 627 way back then in a planned event of sorts. But if this was the case, wouldn't Olivia had caught that?

This file has kind of thrown me off in some ways. I'm wondering if the date is signifficant to Lost or JJ and has no relevance to Fringe at all.:confused0006:

Or maybe, since there seems to be a Date of Transfer on there ----- I'm wondering if Walter was transferred to somewhere at that time on another flight 627 by the feds?:confused0066:

[D-Roc]

Interesting..if it's not a production error, then it could be an easteregg. The 'planned event' thing that you mentioned is very interesting, Fringeling.

Let's also remember Walter's very first words to Olivia:

"I knew someone would come eventually".

This could be the faithless hope of a mad scientist, or it could be his mental link with his son (who accompanied Olivia to release him)..or, it could even be that Walter was alwaysgoing to be released on the back of the events on-board Flight 627...:shhh:

[Fringeling]

There seems to be several of these oddly placed out-of-sync dated "files" here and there so far in Fringe. I'm inclined to think they are more easteregg / clue than error. This file on Walter is a perfect example. I like the idea that he was always going to be released on the back of flight 627 like D-Roc suggests might be the case. Here are a couple of more examples:

* The obvious Birth Certificate of Kyle Richard Beltran --- born in 10/10/99. His BC was found in Walter's car which had supposedly not been accessed since 1991 by Walter.

* Some police reports from 1941 that were in the case files Olivia and John were working on in the "Brain Surgeon" serial murders <related to Christopher Penrose of Same Old Story>. Walter and Claus Penrose didn't work on the technology behind the Christopher clones until around 1978, and the murders began in 1996, so what did case files from 1941 that Olivia was looking at have to do with anything?

These anomolies would seem to only furthur suggest the much hinted at "time jumping" we are bound to see in Fringe.

In the instance of Kyle Richard Beltran's birth certificate <which mystery most everyone on this forum probably realized already>, it may actually have been more than just a document -------- and this is what I want to point out --------- it could have been an artifact ----- a document Walter had in his possession years before the actual event. In other words, a document from the future. I suppose the same could be said of the file in question in these last few posts. Perhaps it is an artifact from another time, which Olivia did not realize she was handling? Just an idea .....

[Fringeling]

For those interested, I updated the timeline graphic again (I re-watched Same Old Story). Some of the "entries" are time/clock specific, as they seemed to point out several times in that episode.

Something interesting to note: Walter began experimenting with "growing soldiers" in 1978 ---- the year Peter and Olivia were born. :confused0006:

The basic changes were as follows:

* 12:17 am loraine daisy alcott found outside hospital pregnant to term

* 12:24 am Loraine prounounced dead, gave birth to baby with progeria

* approx 12:54 child dies

* approx 1:45 am Broyles alerted about progeria incident

* approx 4:00 am team arrives to hospital to examine baby

* 1996 "Christopher Penrose" serial murder cases investigated by Olivia and John

* 1978 approx soldier farming experiments, human growing performed by Walter

* 11/30/1941 19 yo Ernest Extrom(sp?) makes police statement (record found in case file for "Brain Surgeon" serial murders from episode 2). Statement concerns an unspecified incident that took place on 11/21/1941 in Harrison, NJ between Ernest, and Frank Rullinski? (13 yo) and Stanley Smigelski? (14 yo)

----

As always, suggestions on how to better the timeline or mistakes/additions are welcome !!!:happy15:

[boston9915]

I think we struck out on Esterbrook unless I overlooked something. Do we have any information on him? He strikes me as a character we may be seeing again sometime soon...

[jedipencil]

Fringeling, that is one amazing timeline. That is alot of effort. You should be working on the show! :happy15:

Oh and I adore your fortune cookie....!

[Odd Tree]

I had not realized that Peter was born the same year Walter did the expiriment growing soldiers...weird.

Awesome timeline, Fringeling.

[Fringeling]

Thanx again ya'll :o

I updated the timeline again (I watched Power Hungry). Here are essentially the changes I made:

* 3:14 observer looks at watch , makes notes (the Arrival)

* approx 9:04 am joseph meegar wakes up takes temp/pulse (he's done this 7 times before, supposedly each morning)

* 10:17 elevator crashes from Meegar's power surge

* 9 mos prior to Power Hungry, maglev train in tokyo plowed through crowded station

* olivia sees john in her apt the night before she finds out about the incident with power hungry

1:15 am same night of elev accident meegar mother dies from pacemaker malfunction

* fisher to spend six weeks in solitary (cell a-27)

---------

Interesting to note is that the episode supposedly happens the day after the Arrival ends. Other episodes have seemingly signifficant gaps in their timeline. The way I caught this tidbit was in Power Hungry when Olivia told Charlie "Last night I saw John in my apartment" That means (if I understand this was the first time she saw him) that she saw John the same night she took Peter home from being checked out at the hospital after the graveyard scene with the Beacon and Mosely. So, the Meegar escapades happened the next day :ninja:.

Please please please ----- anyone who catches a mistake I made please let me know!!! :D

[D-Roc]

Interesting to note is that the episode supposedly happens the day after the Arrival ends. Other episodes have seemingly signifficant gaps in their timeline.

Yeah, I noticed this aswell - I was really quite taken aback when I discovered that weeks had past between PH and Cure (and subsequent episodes).

I guess pattern-events run by their own clock.

The way I caught this tidbit was in Power Hungry when Olivia told Charlie "Last night I saw John in my apartment"
Nice catch, another clue as for the time-period between TA and PH was that Peter's face was also still freshly bruised from his 'encounter' with the Observer. A nice (albeit) rare piece of episode to episode continuity.

[Scully]

Fringeling:

This is amazing...thanks for the hard work. As for the birth dates that you could not verify:
1976 Charlie Francis born
1978 Peter Bishop born
1982 Astrid Farnsworth born
1963 Phillip Broyles born

When the Fox Official website first started, they had character bios posted...I got the dates from there. The bio's are gone now but those dates are all correct.

[Fringeling]

Fringeling:

This is amazing...thanks for the hard work. As for the birth dates that you could not verify:
1976 Charlie Francis born
1978 Peter Bishop born
1982 Astrid Farnsworth born
1963 Phillip Broyles born

When the Fox Official website first started, they had character bios posted...I got the dates from there. The bio's are gone now but those dates are all correct.
Thanx Scully (arf arf :D)!

Next time I update the timeline, I'll remove those question marks ...... :o

[arjay999]

Excellent Job on the timeline graphic, Fringeling!! Should Observer sightings be a part of it also? A new category, even? I have most of that from my screen captures if needed.

[Fringeling]

Excellent Job on the timeline graphic, Fringeling!! Should Observer sightings be a part of it also? A new category, even? I have most of that from my screen captures if needed.

Arjay from the other wiki? Welcome mate!

Hmmm ..... that's not a bad idea at all. If you have the time, do you think you could break down when the observer was actually noticed specifically? Also, if there are any time references in the screencaps that would rock.

I have the screencaps as well, but maybe if we compare notes you'll see something a certain way that I wont? Just if you have the time ..... :happy15:

[Fringeling]

I updated the timeline again ...... I basically added the Observer sightings with thumbnails, and added in a little blurb about when/where he was sighted relevant to the episode.

I also added the sighting of the Observer in today's Eagles / Giants game :observer: with a pic (thanx to D-Roc), and included the supposed sighting at a Philly Phillies game on Oct 12, 2008.

I also made the 2008 entries a little easier to read based on the month they happened.

Lastly, I removed some question marks thanx to the above verifications in this thread (thanx yall ---- yeah, I'm Southern :D)!

Please please please ....... any corrections or additions anyone thinks I need to make please feel free to comment!:greet028:

[Fringeling]

Once again, for those of you who are interested, I updated the Timeline after watching Bound. After the CBG sighting is confirmed along with any new data gleaned from epi 11, I'll update it again in the next 48 hours or so.

I also changed the dates a little to relfect the idea that 2009 actually started back in Dec with Safe ......

As always, please let me know of any mistakes !!!:happy15:

[dach]

cool i wonder when ella was born? maybe you can add that to the timeline when you find out.

[Fringeling]

Okay, after someone mentioning Ella is 4 y.o., and the Observer being a confirmed spotting, I updated the timeline again. I also cuttoff 2008 from 2009, assuming that Safe took place in 2009.

Interesting to note that Ella was born possibly the same year that the entertainment division of MD was formed, considering next weeks epi, epi 112 apparently uses computer programs to melt people's brains and we find Ella looking at one in a spoiler....:confused0006:.... makes me wonder if it's linked to MD's Ludic Science?

[dach]

question the events on bound happened in a day cuz after the 2nd doc died olivia wore a red shirt then she went back to the lab and wore a black stripe shirt then later that night she went back to the red shirt.

confused here

[Fringeling]

question the events on bound happened in a day cuz after the 2nd doc died olivia wore a red shirt then she went back to the lab and wore a black stripe shirt then later that night she went back to the red shirt.

confused hereI'm pretty sure we're looking at --- at the very least ---- two days. The first night Olivia made dinner for Rachel and Ella (you know, after being spinal tapped, tranquilized, hospitalized, beaten up, and killing a couple of people). The second night she slept with Ella on the couch (you know, after killing some more people, getting in more kick ass fights, findout out Loeb was a snitch and putting the smack down on him, etc). I'm guessing she was escaped capture the same day she was abducted, otherwise the manhunt for her would have been much more entailed. BUT, I'm not sure how long we have between her being tranquilized and taken down by her pals and when she woke up and discharged from the hospital. I would assume again that was the same day.

If I'm understanding you right about the clothes, could it be a continuity error? If I'm wrong I'm wrong though.......

[D-Roc]

Hats off to you Fringeling, the time-line with the new graphics is look sweet!

[Faded Picture]

Wow, you did a great job at doing this, i would have never thought to do that.

[MystikPeril]

Until this post, I had no idea that The Observer had shown up in 2 real life events! JJ is good, real good!

[MystikPeril]

I'm pretty sure we're looking at --- at the very least ---- two days. The first night Olivia made dinner for Rachel and Ella (you know, after being spinal tapped, tranquilized, hospitalized, beaten up, and killing a couple of people). The second night she slept with Ella on the couch (you know, after killing some more people, getting in more kick ass fights, findout out Loeb was a snitch and putting the smack down on him, etc). I'm guessing she was escaped capture the same day she was abducted, otherwise the manhunt for her would have been much more entailed. BUT, I'm not sure how long we have between her being tranquilized and taken down by her pals and when she woke up and discharged from the hospital. I would assume again that was the same day.

If I'm understanding you right about the clothes, could it be a continuity error? If I'm wrong I'm wrong though.......

They captured Olivia after Mr. Jones teleported to Little Hill and that was sometime at night. When Olivia escaped, it was daylight. I really wonder how long they had her there knocked out... :confused0006:

[Mojo]

Broyles alerts everyone the next morning...

Doesn't make too much sense to me considering Olivia didn't show up to the arrest site or meet up with the rest of the FBI Agents. And she cut off communication with Charlie pretty abruptly while everyone was en route to "Little Hill".

Did they think she just needed personal time?:haha:

[Fringeling]

Until this post, I had no idea that The Observer had shown up in 2 real life events! JJ is good, real good!You know I haven't googled around yet, but there was talk on one of the podcasts that the Observer was at the inauguration :confused0006::confused0006:

[jedipencil]

You know I haven't googled around yet, but there was talk on one of the podcasts that the Observer was at the inauguration :confused0006::confused0006:

I heard that as well.... can that be at all possible?

[Fringeling]

I heard that as well.... can that be at all possible?Well, I couldn't find any proof of it, but that doesn't mean anything ;-)

[Suu]

First of all, thanks for this TIMELINE :happy15:

But can I make a suggestion ? Maybe the information gathered from the Fringe comics should have its own color ?

[]s

[Fringeling]

First of all, thanks for this TIMELINE :happy15:

But can I make a suggestion ? Maybe the information gathered from the Fringe comics should have its own color ?

[]sI think that's an excellent idea. I want to iron out a few details from the new comic just issued yesterday (1/28), and then when I add that info to the timeline I will try and do just that! Thanx Suu for the suggestion!

For those interested, I updated the Timeline with info gathered from No-Brainer. There is apparently a production continuity error from Bound to No-Brainer however. Bound shows a cell phone with 12/3, and No Brainer shows a phone with 12/2/08. I am assuming these are editing flaws, which should have been noticed by post-production crew, and not alluding to actual date/time concerning those specific episodes (otherwise Fringe would apparently be operating on negative time!) I am going to continue to assume this until shown otherwise.

Again, if ANYONE notices any errors, please let me know! I am horrible at proof-reading things .....

[Fringeling]

For those who might be interested, I will try and update the timeline in the next couple of days. This episode had a lot of date's thrown out ---- so I'm going to have to go through it again to try and catch them.

[Fringeling]

Okay, I updated the Timeline with Tranformation info/data. I still haven't added the new comic yet, but I'll try and do that with the next update during the hiatus ..... as always, if anyone notices anything wrong/mistaken please let me know!

[MystikPeril]

I heard that as well.... can that be at all possible?

Well, I think it could definitely be possible that he was there in that mass crowd, but let's face it, there were several million people there, that could be a hard one to find him in. That truly would be like "Where's Waldo?" unless they put the camera on him, like in the football footage. If he was there though, that's crazy! :shiny:

[Matthew]

I have a quick question, is the stuff about the Observer at the games real? or a stunt?

[D-Roc]

I have a quick question, is the stuff about the Observer at the games real? or a stunt?
It's real in terms of him being there, but it's also a clever form of marketing, whilst blurring the lines..

See this thread (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1719) for more.

[Fringeling]

I did an update on the Timeline with info gleaned from Ability, and I finally included the new comic book info. I changed the comic book info to orange, to reflect the difference.

I wanted to go ahead and get this out tonight, but I might fine tune it over the hiatus to look for errors, make the text more uniform, etc.

As always, comments,suggestions,corrections are appreciated!:tiphat:

[Fringeling]

I updated the timeline again with a juicy piece of data I missed the first time I watched "Ability" -----

We're told the German manuscript of ZFT was destroyed ten years ago. That, of course, would put the destruction of the manuscript in 1999.

Things that happened in 1999:

Massive Dynamic was officially born.

Kyle Richard Beltran was officially born (we find his birth certficate amongst Walter's things in storage, even though Walter did not have access to those things in storage since 1991 :shhh::ninja:)

[Fringeling]

I updated the timeline yet again ----- with some new birthdate information for some of the major players. I got ahold of the 2008 San Diego Comic Con comic book and looked over some of the bios in it. I have an age now for Nina Sharp, as well as a birthplace for some others.

One thing I noticed, however, is the apparent discrepancy in Olivia Dunham's age. According to the comic bio, she is 29 (as of 2008) where Peter is 30 (according to the same bio). According to previous info (on a certain website I can't mention) they were both the same age as of 2008. And according to Ability, in 1981 she was 3 years old (which would make her the same age as Peter as previously assumed). I suppose the comic book bio from the 2008 San Diego comic con could be incorrect, or off by a few months, etc. --------- as the previous info and the show both seem to agree thus far that Olivia and Peter are the same age.

I also changed a previous error in dates concerning the cortexaphan experiements. I had put they were conducted in Ohio in 1981 and JAcksonville in 1983. They were conducted in Ohio / Jacksonville both in 1981, and abandoned in 1983.

As always, if anyone notices anything that needs to be changed/corrected/added, please let me know. I'm hoping to convert the whole thing to an easily edited text post soon (in case I ever decide to stop updating it).:camp:

[Citizen]

Well, 29 at the start of the show, and 30 as of her birthday in The Cure, making them both the same age by the end of 2008.

[Fringified]

Ah, all these dates and birthdays and ages are too confuzzling for me... But very nice job, Fringeling. These timeline will be very handy, methinks, later on.

[MystikPeril]

A huge kudos to you for taking all of this on, Fringeling! I'll just stick with my numbers thread. LOL

By the way, how'd you manage to get your hands on a copy of the 2008 San Diego Comic Con comic book? I wouldn't mind having one of those if I could find one! Or maybe someone else has one and it could be scanned and added to the comic book thread we have on here? Just a thought. :)

[yvaine]

You know I haven't googled around yet, but there was talk on one of the podcasts that the Observer was at the inauguration :confused0006::confused0006:

Jeff Pinkner said something about that at NYCC:

Pinkner added that Fox tried but failed to get The Observer on the platform behind President Obama during the Inauguration. No, he wasn’t joking.

Of course, that doesn't mean he's not in the CROWD. Yikes, Waldo. :confused0066:

[Matthew]

Jeff Pinkner said something about that at NYCC:



Of course, that doesn't mean he's not in the CROWD. Yikes, Waldo. :confused0066:

I really thought that he was joking. :haha: Who are we going to assign to find the Observer in the crowd?

[yvaine]

That was from D-Roc's post on FringeBloggers about the NYCC interviews, btw.

Maybe we should divide that super super hi-res pic from the Inauguration that came out weeks ago among ourselves. Heheheh.

[Fringeling]

I updated the timeline again. I corrected Nina Sharp's birthdate from 1944 to 1942 (she was 66 years old as of this page from the 2008 Comic-Con San Diego comib book prequel):

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/ninasharpbio.jpg?t=1235975669

This is signifficant, because she was born in Chicago, Ill in 1942. Ted Kaczynski --- aka Unabomber --- was born in Chicago, Ill in 1942.:ninja:

[jedipencil]

Very intriguing..... :confused0006:

I loooooove your banner, and particularly your quote Fringling...

[Fringeling]

Very intriguing..... :confused0006:

I loooooove your banner, and particularly your quote Fringling... Thanx !!!:camp:

[D-Roc]

I updated the timeline again. I corrected Nina Sharp's birthdate from 1944 to 1942 (she was 66 years old as of this page from the 2008 Comic-Con San Diego comib book prequel):Ah, cheers for clarifying that - I was wondering how cannon her birthdate was and where it originated from.:tiphat:

[Fringeling]

Ah, cheers for clarifying that - I was wondering how cannon her birthdate was and where it originated from.:tiphat:Yeah I actually posted it for your benefit :tiphat::o I had noticed in one of your FringeBloggers threads you seemed uneasy about her birthdate :happy15:, and it does seem a bit odd to me that she is older than Walter --- but apparently it is what it is.

You know, I had originally gotten my age information from a site-which-i-cannot-name. But then I got my Fringe San Diego Comic-Con prequel in the mail the other day and had to re-do some of the dates (spec. Olivia and Peter, but I forgot to change Ninas).

I hate it when I make mistakes that make the timeline unreliable :mad:. It serves no purpose if it's riddled with mistypes or bad information --- and I'm horrible at editing my own typing. I was meaning to go back and list my sources on each and every part --- but I actually DO go outside from time and time, so that would be quite a task. I should have started it from the beginnig that way ..... :confused0006:

[Fringified]

I updated the timeline again. I corrected Nina Sharp's birthdate from 1944 to 1942 (she was 66 years old as of this page from the 2008 Comic-Con San Diego comib book prequel):

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/ninasharpbio.jpg?t=1235975669

This is signifficant, because she was born in Chicago, Ill in 1942. Ted Kaczynski --- aka Unabomber --- was born in Chicago, Ill in 1942.:ninja:

I think all this circulating about Unabomber is just too related to be coincidental. http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19807#post19807

[Fringeling]

I might actually try to catalog the sources for the dates used in the Timeline (at least some of the ones that seem more vital thus far), but I stress might :D. Until then, though, here are the rest of the scans from the 2008 San Diego Comic Con prequel comic book showing some of the main character's bios:

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/OliviaDunham.jpg?t=1236057533

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/PeterBishop.jpg?t=1236057529

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/WalterBishop.jpg?t=1236057524

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/PhilipBroyles.jpg?t=1236057527

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/JohnScott.jpg?t=1236057535

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/AstridFarnsworth.jpg?t=1236057543

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/CharlieFrancis.jpg?t=1236057539

[Fringified]

The character posters are lovely, Fringeling!

[Fringeling]

:happy15: I did it! Man, it took some work --- but I managed to update the Timeline with REFERENCE / SOURCE information !!!

I tried to catalogue as many "visible" sources for the entries made to the timeline that I could, so now each entry (most of them that matter) can be verified and checked for accuracy as well as correct interpretation. I found several mistakes after going through each and every entry :confused0066: ..... so hopefully this will only help to make the thing more reliable and trustworthy. I realized that anyone who referenced the timeline were essentially depending on me and me alone to accurately collect, record, and interpret the data in it. That's a rather scary thought :what: .... so I decided to do what I should have done from the beginning and provide screencaps of "what I saw" while making the timeline.

So, each entry that has a reference now has a number by it, and a link at the bottom of the timeline graphic will take you to the reference image. Some of the images are merely snapshots of an episode script ---- to relay what was said during the applicable show. I tried to use as few screencaps from other sites as possible, and I tried to collect almost all of my own (except for the script snapshots).

I also tried to cleanup the timeline for spelling errors, etc. ---- and I added the recent comic book information to it.

As always, for those who care ----- please please please let me know if you find any mistakes :party0011::love0050:. I want the timeline to be an accurate and reliable source of information. Also if you have any ideas, let me know! Thanx yall !!!
:reader::o

[Fringeling]

Hey yall ----- I've updated the Timeline afresh. Gosh it's been awhile! It has the latest comic book info, as well as the recent Observer sightings, and some info gleaned from Inner Child. I will update it again in the next couple of days with reference images (once I get some decent images and clips of the transcript from the episode).


As always, please let me know if there are errors!!

note: One thing I haven't added to it is the Allizee Zeva German ARG data/info. If anyone wants to see this info on there, please help me compile enough data and references for it. Otherwise, I will probably not be adding it.

[Fringeling]

I updated the Timeline again with the sources and links from epi 115.

As always, please please please let me know if any mistakes are found or additions need to be made!

Thanx .... :o

[Fringeling]

For those who are interested, I updated the Timeline status/post Unleashed. I will add a couple of references for the data I added in a couple of days .....:rolleye0014:

[Fringeling]

I added a couple of timeline references and updated it yet again (just in time for the next epi :o)

[Fringeling]

I added the 4/18 Observer sighting at the Yanks game. Thanx dach -- dude !!!:happy15:

[Fringeling]

For those who use it, I updated the timeline with data I gleaned from Bad Dreams. I will update it later this week with reference numbers and screencaps (and any corrections that might be needed). I just wanted to get it up asap for those that don't frequent the forums often ...

Interesting to note: Nick Lane's birthdate is 10/12/79. Well, awhile back there was a rumor that the first official Observer sighting (in real life) was at a Dodgers/Phillies game on 10/12/08 ----- but there was never definitive proof other than heresay and reading threads from live baseball fan chatter during the game.

Interesting though ..... :shhh:

[Fringeling]

Okay, I updated the timeline again with more info gleaned from Bad Dreams. I included a couple of dates found in Walter's LabNotes from the episode, as well as visual reference links for the data ...

I also corrected the spelling of some of the characters from the show as well as Cortexiphan's sp. :o

Again, if anyone finds any errors please let me know!:happy15:

[Fringeling]

Okay, thanx to the catch by nitro2k on this forum, I updated the Timeline with the juicy bit of info about Nick Lane's admission to St. Judes being before his possible conception back in 1978.

Although, the visual reference/screen-cap tells us he was released in 2/23/2008. Either this date is a goof (meaning possibly both dates are a goof), or the good Dr. Miller is lying about Nick's release date (or there is a time warp or something). Because she says that 4months ago he was released, as of this episode. That would place the Fringeverse obviously in late june or early july 2008. I don't think that's correct, because we already have dates occuring later (like Raul Lugos release date in 10/08). So, what could the possible explanation for this date discrepancy be?:confused0006: Or is my brain being fried by all these dates? ;-)

[Fringeling]

I updated the Timeline at the beginning of this thread (http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/118/f/a/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) with information I gleaned from the episode Midnight. I will add reference screencaps later this week, once I can get some higher def ones. I included the Observer sighting for the epi, and will also be including comic book data with the next update (the next Fringe comic comes out tommorrow).

As always, if anyone finds any discrepancies, please let me know!

Of interesting note: this week we saw an actual date reference on NIcholas Boone's camcorder. If I read it correctly, it said Apr 9, 2009. Peter comments this was taken 3 weeks ago. Previous cell-phone references however have seemed to be inconsistent, so I'm not sure whether to take this as a continuity error or not --- :happy15::o:D

[Matthew]

May I just commend you for keeping this up! It is such a great tool and must take a lot of work!

[Bobibblesackin]

Yes this is my first visit to this thread and may a say Excellent Work Fringeling and everyone else evolved!!!

[Fringeling]

Hey thanx for the compliments guys! Yeah it's kind of a chore to maintain, but I started it and want to see it through. It really kind of helps to understand some of what's going on imo ---- but I get really disappointed when I find a mistake I made. I try to make it as reliable as possible, so that's why I include visual references ... :happy15:

I've updated the Timeline (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/120/f/7/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) with visual references from Midnight, and corrected an April date I read incorrectly on the camcorder. I also included info from the latest Comic (released 4/29). This comic is a gamechanger in my opinion ...

Please let me know if yall find any mistakes !!! :tiphat: And thanx again for the kind words :ashamed0001:!

[SEfanA]

In Walter's lab notes he said he "courted" someone named Phyllis in 1974. In the episode "Midnight" Walter also says his centrifuge is 25 years old.

There not very important dates, but you still might want to put them on the chart. The timeline is a very good idea. I use it to check the validity of theories regarding when things happened. Thanks for your hard work.

[Fringeling]

In Walter's lab notes he said he "courted" someone named Phyllis in 1974. In the episode "Midnight" Walter also says his centrifuge is 25 years old.

There not very important dates, but you still might want to put them on the chart. The timeline is a very good idea. I use it to check the validity of theories regarding when things happened. Thanks for your hard work.Yay! Good good good! Thank you sooo much :happy15::elmodance2:! This is the kind of stuff I love to know! I added it to the Timeline and updated (http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/121/1/1/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) it at the beginning of this thread (with visual references).

Interesting to note ... apparently in Greek mythology, a character named Phyllis dies for love and is transformed into an almond tree.

I also wonder if the name Phyllis directly references Phi (the Golden Ratio) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio)?:happy15:

Thanx again SEfanA :tiphat:!

[gillybee]

Fringeling

I don't know if you want to add it to your time line in episode 6 Nina makes reference to Peters connections with a indigenous tribe in Peru and makes some sort of deal with him for the location of Dr Easterbrook's secret lab.

The episode aired 21/10/08 on 27/10/08 Massive Dynamic announced a rainforest preservation plan I don't think that is a coincidence.

[SEfanA]

You have the date Walter courted Phyllis as 1976, but it was 1974.
I don't suppose she could be Peter's mother, since it was only a "brief" relationship, as Walter says. But then, maybe she was.

Yay! Good good good! Thank you sooo much :happy15::elmodance2:! This is the kind of stuff I love to know! I added it to the Timeline and updated (http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/121/1/1/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) it at the beginning of this thread (with visual references).

Interesting to note ... apparently in Greek mythology, a character named Phyllis dies for love and is transformed into an almond tree.

I also wonder if the name Phyllis directly references Phi (the Golden Ratio) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio)?:happy15:

Thanx again SEfanA :tiphat:!

[Fringeling]

Fringeling

I don't know if you want to add it to your time line in episode 6 Nina makes reference to Peters connections with a indigenous tribe in Peru and makes some sort of deal with him for the location of Dr Easterbrook's secret lab.

The episode aired 21/10/08 on 27/10/08 Massive Dynamic announced a rainforest preservation plan I don't think that is a coincidence.
I think this information is really helpful, however I didn't really include any of the Massive Dynamic site dates in the timeline from the start. I think to start including it I would really like to gather as much retro data as I could to make it more comprehensive. I wish I had done that from the beginning now that I think about it. The information I have essnetially used from the MD site was background hisotory on characters, and not so much the "press releases" and whatnot of the "company".

I know it's probably a ridiculous request :D but if you would like to gather as much as data as possible (with screencaps :o) from the MD site that you think is relevant I'd love to add it to the timeline. I'm not sure I'll get around to doing it though soon --- perhaps by next season. By then I'd like to do away with the picture version of the timeline (even though I think it is more helpful in the format it's in now) and just have the text data ...

You have the date Walter courted Phyllis as 1976, but it was 1974.
I don't suppose she could be Peter's mother, since it was only a "brief" relationship, as Walter says. But then, maybe she was. OMG -- I noticed I had done that and thought I had corrected it :shiny: Sorry! I uploaded the corrected one (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/123/d/7/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg). Thank you for that ---- I am grateful for the proofreading! Stupid mistake ...:ashamed0001:

[Fringeling]

I updated the Timeline (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/126/4/7/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) after watching Road Not Taken. I included a couple of visual references, but will add more in a couple of days. As always, please let me know if there are any mistakes or anything else you'd like to see added! :happy15:

Interesting to note:
Both the Steig twins (from the Pilot) and the Nancy/Susan twins were born on the 26th ... :confused0006:

[Fringeling]

Hello ---- for those who are interested, I went back and altered the timeline (http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/128/4/1/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg)to reflect the excellent observation posted by SlipKid here on this thread (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28900#post28900).

Referencing Comic #1 --- where Bell and Bishop first meet --- there is a scene saying "Welcome Class of '74":

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/023_Comic%2001_Year%20Bell%20and%20Bishop%20Meet.j pg

Previously, I had assumed this was welcoming the new incoming class in the year 1974. However it might make more sense that this is the graduating year of the incoming class, which would more likely place the year at 1970 (once again, as suggested initially by SlipKid :D). Considering what took place in Bell and Bishops first experiment together, this reference from Walter's labnotes might further support the 1970 idea:

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/020_Labnotes%20101_Rodentia%20Experiment%20Dating. jpg

This also would effect Bell's birthdate, as it's in that comic we learn he was 20 years old at the time of his meeting Bishop --- possibly placing his birth at 1950 instead of 1954.

Another possible signifficance might be the nailing down of who the President referenced in comic #3 might have been (if it is in fact a US Presdient). It would most likely be Nixon in my opinion (1969-1974):

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/Comic%203/FringeComic3_Story2_page01.jpg?t=1236205388

However ---- this page has always somewhat puzzled me. Is the "President" here the one smoking and answering the phone initially with the white hair, or is that the goon from Fresh Start Soap Co.? That person doesn't really look like Nixon obviously, or even really Gerald Ford for that matter. So is this a US President, a company president, or another countries/alterverse President? Another topic for another thread I suppose ... O_o

[Fringeling]

Season finale!!! I updated the Timeline (http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/132/0/2/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) with info gleaned from There's More Than One of Everything ... I will add the actual visual references in a couple of days, and make any corrections to mistakes that might be found.

I will also update it with the comic info as it is released (one coming out at the end of this month).

As always, please let me know if anything got missed!!! :party0011::tiphat:

[Daisy]

Amazing as always!

[Fringeling]

Amazing as always!
Thanx Daisy :P!

I also just updated it again (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/133/b/c/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) with the apparent information from the New York Post in Bell's office ... I will try and get a higher res screencap to confirm the date on the paper and may have to edit it again :what::D

[D-Roc]

Thanks once again for the dedication FL! :D

[sevntl]

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http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/undergroundapostle/Comic%203/FringeComic3_Story2_page01.jpg?t=1236205388

However ---- this page has always somewhat puzzled me. Is the "President" here the one smoking and answering the phone initially with the white hair, or is that the goon from Fresh Start Soap Co.? That person doesn't really look like Nixon obviously, or even really Gerald Ford for that matter. So is this a US President, a company president, or another countries/alterverse President? Another topic for another thread I suppose ... O_o the color of the jackets are different, the smoker is calling the president, this looks like Nixon from my perspective.

[Fringeling]

Thanks once again for the dedication FL! :D Sure thing, it's been fun! But I guess we'll now have that book that guy Steve Bamberger is selling The First Season of Fringe, a Timeline that Explains it All won't we?:happy0025::what:

Oh well, freely I have received, freely I give!:happy15:

the color of the jackets are different, the smoker is calling the president, this looks like Nixon from my perspective.
Nice observation! I'm gonna go with Nixon as well .... old Tricky himself :eek:

[BrassOrchid]

Got my copy of the "First Season of Fringe" book yesterday. The first thing I noticed...this thread is mentioned in the opening section! :D

[Fringeling]

Got my copy of the "First Season of Fringe" book yesterday. The first thing I noticed...this thread is mentioned in the opening section! :D Yeah I noticed that as well .... although he doesn't exactly mention it in a positive light :what:.

I'm curious to see what you thought of his book! We should start a new thread on it perhaps ... :confused0006:

[Fringeling]

Hello all! For those who are interested, I updated the Timeline (http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs47/f/2009/151/5/a/Fringe_Timeline_by_ThreeWoes.jpg) with information gleaned from the latest Comic #5. Good stuff there!

I also re arranged the positioning of the sections in the Timeline --- mainly I moved up the main show-timeline and put more of the incidental material towards the bottom, even though some of the incidental material is still very important and relevant (like comic info, etc).

Comments are ALWAYS welcome, esp. during this hiatus between the seasons !!! :(

[EM]

I found your timeline while researching one of my own (solely for my own purposes) and I have to say yours beat mine by far! That is a boatload of work you did, very in-depth and complete. I thought I was a left-brained, detail-oriented person, but I bow to the master. :tiphat:

One question for you though-- In 1996, Olivia would have been 17 or 18 and probably not with the FBI yet. Would you reconsider that it's more a reference to Christopher's chronological age? Consider this excerpt from Walter's Lab Notes for that episode-- "The suspect's chronological and biological ages would sharply diverge. He might have passed only twelve years since his birth, yet appear in his thirties or even older." Look over it again and see what you think....

[Fringeling]

I found your timeline while researching one of my own (solely for my own purposes) and I have to say yours beat mine by far! That is a boatload of work you did, very in-depth and complete. I thought I was a left-brained, detail-oriented person, but I bow to the master. :tiphat:

One question for you though-- In 1996, Olivia would have been 17 or 18 and probably not with the FBI yet. Would you reconsider that it's more a reference to Christopher's chronological age? Consider this excerpt from Walter's Lab Notes for that episode-- "The suspect's chronological and biological ages would sharply diverge. He might have passed only twelve years since his birth, yet appear in his thirties or even older." Look over it again and see what you think.... Awesome catch! Although in the context Charlie was speaking, I don't think he was referring to Penrose's chronological age ----- mainly because I don't think Charlie was privy yet to the "man-baby" information, or the direct connection of the Brain Surgeon to a person with the aging issue's Christopher had. As far as Charlie knew, it was still just a strange unsolved case (the Brain Surgeon case), so I think he might have been literally referring to a case that was twelve years old. I could be wrong ....

HOWEVER, it doesn't make sense that Olivia was investigating it at the ripe old age of 17 or 18 (as you point out :happy15:). I think either the case was older than her involvement with the FBI initially (and possibly John's), or it's a continuity error already in the show at only episode 2 (which is disappointing). So I changed the timeline to reflect your find, and didn't mention John or Olivia investigating 12 years ago.:happy15: I did stick with the case being 12 years old though, because although I see your interpretation of what Charlie said about it being a "twelve year old serial case", I'm not convinced that he wasn't merely referring to the actual timeframe the murders began and the case was officially opened.

You know, I found something else along this type of error awhile back, but just kept it as is. If you look at the data surrounding Joanne Ostler (http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/028_Epi%20108_Joanne%20Ostler%20Data.jpg), things don't quite add up. She was born in 1978, and had her disappearing-act -car-accident in 1998. So she was twenty years old when she "died". Yet we are told she was a neurologist studying at MIT (I'm assuming before her "death" at age 20). I've always thought it a little strange she was an actual neurologist at the age of 20 ..... :confused0006: ..... but I just racked this up to her being "gifted" or something, like Ben or the other victims of her Equation scheme.:what:

Thanx EM for the input! Please tell me if you find anything else! :party0011: The more eyes looking it over the better to maintain it's accuracy!

[EM]

Hhhmm, you have got me thinking....

Although in the context Charlie was speaking, I don't think he was referring to Penrose's chronological age ----- mainly because I don't think Charlie was privy yet to the "man-baby" information, or the direct connection of the Brain Surgeon to a person with the aging issue's Christopher had. As far as Charlie knew, it was still just a strange unsolved case (the Brain Surgeon case), so I think he might have been literally referring to a case that was twelve years old.

Yep, I agree....

HOWEVER, it doesn't make sense that Olivia was investigating it at the ripe old age of 17 or 18 (as you point out ). I think either the case was older than her involvement with the FBI initially (and possibly John's), or it's a continuity error already in the show at only episode 2 (which is disappointing).

I don't think it's a continuity error-- maybe they caught the case when the Penroses (at least the elder one) "moved to the East coast" in 2006, which would have brought the case into their territory, but I can't say for sure.

So I changed the timeline to reflect your find, and didn't mention John or Olivia investigating 12 years ago. I did stick with the case being 12 years old though, because although I see your interpretation of what Charlie said about it being a "twelve year old serial case", I'm not convinced that he wasn't merely referring to the actual timeframe the murders began and the case was officially opened.

My original thought was if they had another way to slow his aging without killing people and drawing attention to themselves, wouldn't they use it? It seemed to me that Christopher and the timeframe of the case would be very much entwined. However, I do concede that he might be older than 12 and the FBI didn't connect some previous cases. Darn that Walter for leading my thoughts astray...

You know, I found something else along this type of error awhile back, but just kept it as is. If you look at the data surrounding Joanne Ostler, things don't quite add up. She was born in 1978, and had her disappearing-act -car-accident in 1998. So she was twenty years old when she "died". Yet we are told she was a neurologist studying at MIT (I'm assuming before her "death" at age 20). I've always thought it a little strange she was an actual neurologist at the age of 20 ..... ..... but I just racked this up to her being "gifted" or something, like Ben or the other victims of her Equation scheme.

Well, I would agree she would have to be intelligent to guide the abductees towards a solution and very intelligent to recognize that one of them had actually solved it so I'm officially a waffler on this one. She would have to be as smart as or smarter than Walter to have become a neurologist by 20 and I find that hard to believe.

Thanx EM for the input! Please tell me if you find anything else! The more eyes looking it over the better to maintain it's accuracy!

You are welcome for sure and I haven't found anything so far-- but I have been looking!

[Fringeling]

My original thought was if they had another way to slow his aging without killing people and drawing attention to themselves, wouldn't they use it? It seemed to me that Christopher and the timeframe of the case would be very much entwined. However, I do concede that he might be older than 12 and the FBI didn't connect some previous cases. Darn that Walter for leading my thoughts astray...
I could be interpreting the "evidence" incorrectly:confused0006:, but I just figured there were multiple Christophers that only survived for a limited time before another came around and had to resort to the same "mind altering" (cheezy I know :haha:) tactics to stay alive. The last screencap of episode 2 (with all the Christopher "babies" fully grown and ready for the world) was what gave that idea away:

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo57/sigois/frin-forum/fr3.png

So maybe old man Claus allowed them to live because he didn't have the heart to kill them and he was still trying to find a "cure" to the issue of their rapid aging (at least, rapidly aging beyond the desired goal age)?:happy0025:

[EM]

oh, yeah... I forgot about that little scene. :ashamed0001:

At the airing of the episode, I didn't connect these guys to Claus. Christopher mentioned (after he started aging in front of Olivia) that someone had paid Claus to raise him a long time ago. Not "us" but "me." Also, if Christopher had a facility and resources such as these, would he have to find and kill girls in motel rooms and warehouses? If you have access to a hospital private enough to grow clones and keep them in comas or however they are being kept alive, surely a surgery on an unwilling victim wouldn't be such a big deal? My opinion is that these guys probably are under the care of an uber-company with unlimited resources like say--- MD? :ninja:

I like your interpretation too, though-- it explains a lot and does it well. :happy15: I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Fringeling]

oh, yeah... I forgot about that little scene. :ashamed0001:

At the airing of the episode, I didn't connect these guys to Claus. Christopher mentioned (after he started aging in front of Olivia) that someone had paid Claus to raise him a long time ago. Not "us" but "me." Also, if Christopher had a facility and resources such as these, would he have to find and kill girls in motel rooms and warehouses? If you have access to a hospital private enough to grow clones and keep them in comas or however they are being kept alive, surely a surgery on an unwilling victim wouldn't be such a big deal? My opinion is that these guys probably are under the care of an uber-company with unlimited resources like say--- MD? :ninja:

I like your interpretation too, though-- it explains a lot and does it well. :happy15: I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think you are correct EM ---- I rewatched Same Old Story again. I had completely forgot about the substance of Olivia and Christopher's conversation, and was focussing on the final scene of the clones to formulate an idea about an episode I wish I had paid more attention to :happy15:

Christopher's little bit at the end about Claus not allowing him to die because he was blinded by love would in fact seem to indicate that Claus only "raised" and let-live the one Christopher, unable to let him die because of his "compassion" towards him. So the multiple Christophers shown to us at the end would seem to be linked to an entity other than Claus, as you state.:tiphat: Unless of course there is more going on behind the scenes with Claus and his lies :what:

You know, after watching this episode again in detail --- it only reiterates the ongoing theme throughout Fringe thus far of "how far would you go for someone/something you loved" .... :confused0006:

[EM]

Hey, Fringeling-- I found a bit of info you might like to add to your timeline. It's in the far upper left corner of the computer screen during the Ghost Network scene when Olivia and Charlie find out Evelina Mendoza is a DEA agent--- just in case mine isn't any good for your purposes. I'm not so great at the tech stuff...:o

[Fringeling]

Hey, Fringeling-- I found a bit of info you might like to add to your timeline. It's in the far upper left corner of the computer screen during the Ghost Network scene when Olivia and Charlie find out Evelina Mendoza is a DEA agent--- just in case mine isn't any good for your purposes. I'm not so great at the tech stuff...:o
This is perfect ---- :happy15: Thanx! I just wish you were around through Season One! :D

I'm planning on doing an update a little after the next (and final) comic release. I'll include this most def. ---- and anything else you might happen to find and be willing to share :goodvibes:

Thanx again ---- seriously :tiphat:

[EM]

This is perfect ---- :happy15: Thanx! I just wish you were around through Season One! :D

Thanx again ---- seriously :tiphat:

Aw, shucks-- yer welcome, glad to help!

Whew, I'm glad about the snip! Like I said, tech stuff is not my strong suit...:P I didn't even realize there were sites devoted to Fringe until I missed the No-Brainer episode on the DVR and went looking to see what happened. I've lurked for awhile to catch up on the multitude of posts, but everyone seems so nice I had to join. Btw, I am a big fan of your theories. I most especially like the ones on Operation Paperclip and Peter's Mom being blind; I think you are spot on. :happy15:

I'm planning on doing an update a little after the next (and final) comic release. I'll include this most def. ---- and anything else you might happen to find and be willing to share :goodvibes:

I have a few that might help round out your timeline-- here are a couple... The first is from Roy McComb's MRI computer screen that shows a date of July 28th (I'm pretty sure anyway.) It's either a major snafu or it (somewhat) corroborates the 9/15/07 date on the picture in Roy's apartment, I'm not sure which. :confused0006: The second is from Bethany's computer screen in Power Hungry when Joseph Meegar makes it crash. They may be a little hard to see because I can't seem to figure out how to open the snipping tool while watching a full screen episode or even how to manipulate the size after it's been snipped. Any pointers?

Soon I'll post some dates I've gleaned from the transcripts and I'm also trying to nail down some days that have been mentioned during the episodes, but I'll show you them when I get them sorted out, OK?

[EM]

Hhmm, you may have noticed they are reversed. The top is from Power Hungry and the bottom is from Ghost Network... :ashamed0001:

[Fringeling]

Aw, shucks-- yer welcome, glad to help!

Whew, I'm glad about the snip! Like I said, tech stuff is not my strong suit...:P I didn't even realize there were sites devoted to Fringe until I missed the No-Brainer episode on the DVR and went looking to see what happened. I've lurked for awhile to catch up on the multitude of posts, but everyone seems so nice I had to join. Btw, I am a big fan of your theories. I most especially like the ones on Operation Paperclip and Peter's Mom being blind; I think you are spot on. :happy15:



I have a few that might help round out your timeline-- here are a couple... The first is from Roy McComb's MRI computer screen that shows a date of July 28th (I'm pretty sure anyway.) It's either a major snafu or it (somewhat) corroborates the 9/15/07 date on the picture in Roy's apartment, I'm not sure which. :confused0006: The second is from Bethany's computer screen in Power Hungry when Joseph Meegar makes it crash. They may be a little hard to see because I can't seem to figure out how to open the snipping tool while watching a full screen episode or even how to manipulate the size after it's been snipped. Any pointers?

Soon I'll post some dates I've gleaned from the transcripts and I'm also trying to nail down some days that have been mentioned during the episodes, but I'll show you them when I get them sorted out, OK?
Right on EM :happy15:!!! As long as you are able and willing, keep it coming keep it coming !:party0011:This is the good stuff, and again I am most appreciative!

I've been doing my own "rewatch marathon" as well of some of the epis, reading the transcripts and whatnot --- and I've found some other stuff to add as well:

1) the Bishop family dog Rufus was put down approx 20 years ago
2) I got the HD version of Arrival and I finally think I made out a name for Kyle Richard Beltran's father --- James Beltran (don't know if this was public Fringe knowledge or not)
3) I believe that flight 627 took place on Monday (because Olivia meets Walter for the first time on Thurs, and tells him the flight took place 4 days ago). This either places it on Sunday or Monday, depending on whether or not Olivia was counting Thursday as one of the days. If the day is Monday, it is interesting because Monday is appearing to show up a lot in Fringe as being a signifficant day of the week (John Scott's obit claims he died on a Monday <even though we know he didn't technically "die">; Walter says they serve butterscotch pudding on Mondays at St. Claires; it would then stand to reason he visits Daschell Kim in the Equation on a Monday since we find Daschell eating butterscotch pudding; the Beacon arrived on 6/22/87, which according to my Microsoft XP calendar was a Monday; Mark Young's plane ticket in Dreamscape was to fly to Omaha on 12/22/08 -- a Monday) Not all of the dates obviously match this Monday pattern, but perhaps there is something there ..... :confused0006:

And as far as clipping screencaps and blowing them up, I use photoshop for everything, so I don't know if I can offer much help .... what do you use? Paint?

[EM]

1) the Bishop family dog Rufus was put down approx 20 years ago
2) I got the HD version of Arrival and I finally think I made out a name for Kyle Richard Beltran's father --- James Beltran (don't know if this was public Fringe knowledge or not)
3) I believe that flight 627 took place on Monday (because Olivia meets Walter for the first time on Thurs, and tells him the flight took place 4 days ago). This either places it on Sunday or Monday, depending on whether or not Olivia was counting Thursday as one of the days. If the day is Monday, it is interesting because Monday is appearing to show up a lot in Fringe as being a signifficant day of the week (John Scott's obit claims he died on a Monday <even though we know he didn't technically "die">; Walter says they serve butterscotch pudding on Mondays at St. Claires; it would then stand to reason he visits Daschell Kim in the Equation on a Monday since we find Daschell eating butterscotch pudding; the Beacon arrived on 6/22/87, which according to my Microsoft XP calendar was a Monday; Mark Young's plane ticket in Dreamscape was to fly to Omaha on 12/22/08 -- a Monday) Not all of the dates obviously match this Monday pattern, but perhaps there is something there .....

Aw, I'm glad Rufus made the cut... And that's an excellent spot on the birth certificate, Fringeling. HD helps a lot, huh?

I waffled for awhile on the Sunday/Monday Flight 627 thing myself. Something about the darkness during the chase scene at the storage units and the bright lights at the hospital threw me off. I finally paid attention to Broyles' tie/outfit which stays constant until Olivia brings up Walter and came to the same conclusion you did-- I'm pretty sure it's Monday. Speaking of, I had no idea there were so many Monday references. When you put them all together like that, it does seem to spotlight some kind of importance. I wonder if a few of the dates from the comics will turn out to be more Mondays?

I was really hoping for a way to snip on the full screen. *sigh* I've been using software that came with my printer which is almost as useless as Paint. :P It seems I may have to snag a Photoshop somewhere if I'm going to continue indulging this Fringe addiction! :haha:

I lost a huge post before this one that had all of my timeline bits for you on it and I am afraid it may happen again, which would completely send me over the edge. (I'll post them sometime tomorrow since I'm off.) One thing I do want to point out regarding my last post with the screen cap from the MRI-- I think the date might be the 25th or thereabouts rather than the 28th. :ashamed0001: I'll explain more of my reasoning tomorrow...

[Fringeling]

I lost a huge post before this one that had all of my timeline bits for you on it and I am afraid it may happen again, which would completely send me over the edge. (I'll post them sometime tomorrow since I'm off.) One thing I do want to point out regarding my last post with the screen cap from the MRI-- I think the date might be the 25th or thereabouts rather than the 28th. :ashamed0001: I'll explain more of my reasoning tomorrow...
Argh! I know what you mean about losing a nice big post :( Sometimes I type large ones up on Word or something first, then just copy and past the sucker .... :happy15:

I got the HD version of Ghost Network, to get a little better screencap of the MRI -----

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/120_Epi%20103_MRI%20machine%20shows%20date%20of%20 July%2028.jpg

http://ktwray.webs.com/random%20images/120_Epi%20103_MRI%20machine%20shows%20date%20of%20 July%2028_blown%20up.jpg

I'm thinking the date does say July 28th (like your original observation). If you compare the assumed "8" to the zero, five, eights, and sixes in the rest of the screencap, the closest match (at least to my sucky eyes) is the 8.

So, I think it is safe to say this date is a SNAFU after all :( --- unless of course the episodes were dealing with the past from when they were aired.

Let me explain some of my reasoning on dating some of the initial episodes --- just so you know where I'm "thinking from" in regards to the Timeline :o The prequel comic came out at the San Diego Comic Con before the initial pilot ever aired. Likewise, the Fringe Press Kit containing Pattern cases from Broyle's files came out before the pilot aired. The press kit and the comic both referenced specific pattern events that Broyles mentions in the actual Pilot when he tries to "recruit" Olivia to join his Pattern-hunting team. Therefore, I assumed that any dated events in his press kit OR the comic happened before Flight 627. Well, the comic mentions it's first pattern event as being 12/22/2007 (the Kansas cattle thing) --- the last event it dates being "the Taylor incident" on 7/19/08. Soooo ---- I would imagine that flight 627 took place AT LEAST after 7/19/08. Same Old Story takes place about a week after Flight 627 .... and the Arrival takes place approx 3 weeks after flight 627 <because in the Arrival we're told that Olivia discovered the Observer in three weeks, and that two weeks prior to that he was spotted at the hospital in Same Old Story ---- so it would stand to reason that Olivia had been working with Broyles for 3 weeks, SOS took place one week after flight 627, etc etc>(so Ghost Network takes place about two weeks after I'm assuming). Well, the Arrival covers approx 48 hours, and Power Hungry happens THE NEXT DAY after Peter gets released from the hospital in the Arrival, so all in all when I look at Power Hungry I'm thinking around 3-4 weeks after Flight 627.

Now, to try and nail down a more exact date on Flight 627 (so the other one's fall in place better), I look to Ghost Network where we are told (as well as in other episodes) that roughly 9 months prior Broyles and company became aware of the Pattern. He says the same thing in the Pilot. Well ---- looking to 12/22/07 as the possible date they decided to call the events "Pattern events" --- nine months later would place them in August or September of 08 (depending on whether or not Broyles counts December as a month in his '9 months' talk) ---- for flight 627, and probably in Sept at the very least for Ghost Network. Further following this train of thought would place Power Hungry somewhere possibly towards the end of sept or possibly even into October.

So ..... Bethany's computer from Power Hungry however might have some promise and actually help to nail down some dates more specifically. Using my good 'ol XP Calendar, I think the calendar she is looking at is basically October ending into November of 08. So if she's working on "tommorrow's" schedule, yet the 29th is highlighted ---- I'm thinking she is either experiencing Oct 28th or 29th. If this is the case, then flight 627 took place somewhere around the end of Sept or the beginning of Oct. This still falls somewhat within Broyles timeframe of his continual "the last nine months" stuff.

What do you think? Am I waaaaay off or have I made an error in thought somewhere? By the way --- I haven't thought forward from Power Hungry, only backward. Thinking forward might yield more clues that either discredit Bethany's computer screen or gives credence to it. :happy15::confused0066:


And on a side note, I noticed Matthew Ziegler had a DOB I hadn't noticed before:

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/118_Epi%20103_Matthew%20Ziegler%20DOB.jpg

[EM]

Argh! I know what you mean about losing a nice big post Sometimes I type large ones up on Word or something first, then just copy and past the sucker ....

Grrr, I did the same thing this morning...!! Now I'm taking your advice and doing it the sensible way.

I'm thinking the date does say July 28th (like your original observation). If you compare the assumed "8" to the zero, five, eights, and sixes in the rest of the screencap, the closest match (at least to my sucky eyes) is the 8.
So, I think it is safe to say this date is a SNAFU after all --- unless of course the episodes were dealing with the past from when they were aired.

The 5s and 6s do have a certain look to them that the date number doesn't. I'm thinking snafu as well. Maybe it was a real hospital and real MRI and it was just too difficult to mess with.

Let me explain some of my reasoning on dating some of the initial episodes --- just so you know where I'm "thinking from" in regards to the Timeline

Makes sense-- but I do have some thoughts on the beacon... It arrived late afternoon and 48 hours later would be late afternoon again, yet it left in the middle of the night which means more than or less than 48 hours. I'm going to check that episode again and see if I can pick up any more details. :confused0006:

Now, to try and nail down a more exact date on Flight 627 (so the other one's fall in place better), I look to Ghost Network where we are told (as well as in other episodes) that roughly 9 months prior Broyles and company became aware of the Pattern. He says the same thing in the Pilot. Well ---- looking to 12/22/07 as the possible date they decided to call the events "Pattern events" --- nine months later would place them in August or September of 08 (depending on whether or not Broyles counts December as a month in his '9 months' talk) ---- for flight 627, and probably in Sept at the very least for Ghost Network. Further following this train of thought would place Power Hungry somewhere possibly towards the end of sept or possibly even into October.

That works for me though I lean towards September. There was snow and parkas in the Pilot.

So ..... Bethany's computer from Power Hungry however might have some promise and actually help to nail down some dates more specifically. Using my good 'ol XP Calendar, I think the calendar she is looking at is basically October ending into November of 08. So if she's working on "tommorrow's" schedule, yet the 29th is highlighted ---- I'm thinking she is either experiencing Oct 28th or 29th. If this is the case, then flight 627 took place somewhere around the end of Sept or the beginning of Oct. This still falls somewhat within Broyles timeframe of his continual "the last nine months" stuff.


It did seem placed and intentional to me. Ha! I love logic puzzles... I came to the same conclusion! Of all the possibilities of the that calendar (March/April, May/June, August/September, Oct/Nov) only October/November fits with the 29th being a Wednesday, yes?

Nope, I think you are dead on from what we've been given to work with! I hope the writers throw us a bone and let us know we're on the right track...

And on a side note, I noticed Matthew Ziegler had a DOB I hadn't noticed before:

Aw, that was one of my bits-- you beat me to it!:party0011:

[EM]

Here are the bits I picked up along the way...

From Ghost Network:

PETER: Roy McComb was one of your test subjects.
WALTER: Of course. Yes! That explains it, doesn't it?
PETER: Explains it? Yes, that explains why he almost died today. Because you injected something into his brain nearly 20 years ago.

I thought it meant '88, but rewatching the episode there are remarks between Walter and Astrid regarding files back to '89-- could be '89 instead.

From IWWMMJ:

WALTER: In ‘75, the FBI asked me to use this procedure. Someone had been murdered. But I don’t recall his name. Hmm. James, I believe. Or Jimmy. They wanted to identify his assassin. Union leader I think.
PETER: Jimmy Hoffa?

Pretty self-explanatory...

Also IWWMMJ:

BROYLES: A month ago, a man… British national named David Robert Jones, was arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, by InterPol on possessión of state secrets.

This may be something you already took note of but didn't know where to put-- I wasn't sure. It may only be useful if we really nail down the timeline, but I'm thinking it's around Same Old Story time or even the Pilot happenings. I lean toward the Flight 627 incident because it originated in Germany and that's where he was arrested, but that's just my gut talking. Also I had this wild theory that Flight 627 is what happened to the old Pattern team-- but it's just a theory. I have an odd screen cap that doesn't really confirm it, but still makes me speculate wildly.... It's the conspiracy theorist in me coming out I guess. :shiny:

From the Dreamscape:

OLIVIA: Okay. I’m going to tell you something and you’re going to think I’m joking, but I’m not. I quit. Only just for the next couple of days and I’m happy to rejoin the others after the weekend.

This implies to me that Mark Young died on a Friday. What do you think?

That's all for now, but if I catch anything else, I will post! :hope:

[Citizen]

I think you've pieced everything well enough, Fringeling. But you must remember that dates on electronic devices are off sometimes, mainly because the owner of the device CBF to set the correct date. My cell phone was on something/something/2006 a few months ago. I also think it would be safe to say that the flight 627 incident happened in September, probably near the beginning, or Monday Septemer 8, 2008, so that the story could start on Tuesday September 9, 2008 the next day, which was the day Fringe aired (just like in LOST, when the plane crashed on the day the show premiered). So it appears that you've got everything spot on and it's okay sometimes to ignore these inconsistencies. The Ghost Network was probably filmed around the date on the MRI, so that would be the reason for the date being off. Keep up the good work! ;)

Just remember, Thursday minus the 4 days would be September 8, the day before Fringe started airing and when the real story kicked off.

[Matthew]

I also have a question, for the newspaper article shown in Bell's office in 1.20 you said that the Kennedy was "prob not JFK" but the picture shown appears to be JFK enhanced to look older. Why did you come to the assumption that it was probably not JFK?

[Fringeling]

I think you've pieced everything well enough, Fringeling. But you must remember that dates on electronic devices are off sometimes, mainly because the owner of the device CBF to set the correct date. My cell phone was on something/something/2006 a few months ago. I also think it would be safe to say that the flight 627 incident happened in September, probably near the beginning, or Monday Septemer 8, 2008, so that the story could start on Tuesday September 9, 2008 the next day, which was the day Fringe aired (just like in LOST, when the plane crashed on the day the show premiered). So it appears that you've got everything spot on and it's okay sometimes to ignore these inconsistencies. The Ghost Network was probably filmed around the date on the MRI, so that would be the reason for the date being off. Keep up the good work! ;)

Just remember, Thursday minus the 4 days would be September 8, the day before Fringe started airing and when the real story kicked off.
Hmmmm ..... you've got some excellent points. And yeah, the electronic devices in the show (esp Olivia and Loeb's cell phone if I remember) threw me off a bit a couple of times, but I think we figured them to be wrong dates somewhere down the line ---- not unlike the MRI machine.

So perhaps when I update the Timeline ---- I will go with the Flight 627 date as being an "assumed Sept 8th" date? I like the reasoning behind your reasoning ;-) Any objections from anyone? Anyone? :)

Here are the bits I picked up along the way...

From Ghost Network:

PETER: Roy McComb was one of your test subjects.
WALTER: Of course. Yes! That explains it, doesn't it?
PETER: Explains it? Yes, that explains why he almost died today. Because you injected something into his brain nearly 20 years ago.

I thought it meant '88, but rewatching the episode there are remarks between Walter and Astrid regarding files back to '89-- could be '89 instead.

From IWWMMJ:

WALTER: In ‘75, the FBI asked me to use this procedure. Someone had been murdered. But I don’t recall his name. Hmm. James, I believe. Or Jimmy. They wanted to identify his assassin. Union leader I think.
PETER: Jimmy Hoffa?

Pretty self-explanatory...

Also IWWMMJ:

BROYLES: A month ago, a man… British national named David Robert Jones, was arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, by InterPol on possessión of state secrets.

This may be something you already took note of but didn't know where to put-- I wasn't sure. It may only be useful if we really nail down the timeline, but I'm thinking it's around Same Old Story time or even the Pilot happenings. I lean toward the Flight 627 incident because it originated in Germany and that's where he was arrested, but that's just my gut talking. Also I had this wild theory that Flight 627 is what happened to the old Pattern team-- but it's just a theory. I have an odd screen cap that doesn't really confirm it, but still makes me speculate wildly.... It's the conspiracy theorist in me coming out I guess. :shiny:

From the Dreamscape:

OLIVIA: Okay. I’m going to tell you something and you’re going to think I’m joking, but I’m not. I quit. Only just for the next couple of days and I’m happy to rejoin the others after the weekend.

This implies to me that Mark Young died on a Friday. What do you think?

That's all for now, but if I catch anything else, I will post! :hope:

Golden stuff!!! And as far as looking to their environment for clues (like snow on the ground, or jackets they were wearing, or the trees/blooms, etc) I remember seeing so many inconsistencies regarding it I stopped looking to it as an answer most of the time. I could have been wrong though of course ...

I also have a question, for the newspaper article shown in Bell's office in 1.20 you said that the Kennedy was "prob not JFK" but the picture shown appears to be JFK enhanced to look older. Why did you come to the assumption that it was probably not JFK? I think that was something I forgot to change. I put that in there pretty quickly after the epi aired, even though within a couple of days it was verified it was JFK. I think I just forgot to update that little insert I put ....

I'm planning on updating the timeline after the release of the final comic ---- that will be something I need to correct/remove. I just love those errors! :(

[Citizen]

I thought the final comic was released two days ago? ;)

And how was the JFK thing verified?

[Fringeling]

I thought the final comic was released two days ago? ;)

And how was the JFK thing verified?
Holy Walter Bishop's root beer Batman!! You had me scared for a minute! As far as I know, the release date is June 24th. I think the date of June 17th was the original-long-time-ago release date, before they changed all the dates on them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong!

And the JFK thing was confirmed when Pinker was discussing the newspaper (http://fringewiki.fox.com/) on Bell's desk in an interview/clip and specifically said that JFK was never assasinated.
:happy15:

[EM]

I was looking over the timeline again and found a couple small things you may want to change, Fringeling.

In the No Brainer episode, Olivia and Peter are talking while Luke Dempsey is making his phone call and this comes up:

PETER: Oh,come on. He cannot possibly be that stupid.
OLIVIA: He's 19.
PETER: Good point.

Also, in The Arrival, the beacon shows up in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NYC just after 3:14 pm, not Boston:

BROYLES: Yesterday, there was an explosion at a construction site in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. A crane collapsed. Left three dead, two dozen injured. The public was told that it was a gas main explosion, which, technically, is the truth. It’s what caused the explosion I want you to see. (walking past a checkpoint) We had it transported here late last night.

It's transported to Chelsea, I think, but I can't remember for certain.:confused0006:

A question for you as well-- can you see the clock on the wall at the hospital when Olivia picks Peter up in the Arrival? My husband and I have strained over it for a week now and can't quite make it out... Even a guess would be helpful; we are divided on what time it reads so you could be the tiebreaker. Thanks!

Here is another day for you if you don't already have it. In Bad Dreams, Mouse says "We were at dinner. Tuesdays we go out." That would put Risa Pears' death on yet another Monday, right?

One more thing (I promise!), it's just an observation, but it may have tie-ins considering where William Bell was in the finale. You said--

I will go with the Flight 627 date as being an "assumed Sept 8th" date

You realize that makes Walter's release from St. Claire's September 11. Coincidence? :confused0006: I bet not...

[Fringeling]

I was looking over the timeline again and found a couple small things you may want to change, Fringeling.

In the No Brainer episode, Olivia and Peter are talking while Luke Dempsey is making his phone call and this comes up:

PETER: Oh,come on. He cannot possibly be that stupid.
OLIVIA: He's 19.
PETER: Good point.

Also, in The Arrival, the beacon shows up in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NYC just after 3:14 pm, not Boston:

BROYLES: Yesterday, there was an explosion at a construction site in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. A crane collapsed. Left three dead, two dozen injured. The public was told that it was a gas main explosion, which, technically, is the truth. It’s what caused the explosion I want you to see. (walking past a checkpoint) We had it transported here late last night.

It's transported to Chelsea, I think, but I can't remember for certain.:confused0006:

A question for you as well-- can you see the clock on the wall at the hospital when Olivia picks Peter up in the Arrival? My husband and I have strained over it for a week now and can't quite make it out... Even a guess would be helpful; we are divided on what time it reads so you could be the tiebreaker. Thanks!

Here is another day for you if you don't already have it. In Bad Dreams, Mouse says "We were at dinner. Tuesdays we go out." That would put Risa Pears' death on yet another Monday, right?

One more thing (I promise!), it's just an observation, but it may have tie-ins considering where William Bell was in the finale. You said--



You realize that makes Walter's release from St. Claire's September 11. Coincidence? :confused0006: I bet not...
Nice connections EM ---- wonderful and creepy at the same time :ninja: If they did do that 9/11 thing on purpose, that is absolutely insane. If they didn't do it on purpose, and it actually manages to just "add up to that" ---- that's even more insane in some ways ....

So would you say that it's safe to assume Greg is the same age as Dempsey?

And yeah the Boston thing with the Beacon is another error. I'll say it again --- How I wish you were around throughout the season! You are a great observer and editor, and I would have been so much more confident in the accuracy of the Timeline with your set of eyes helping to make it so :happy15::D

As far as the clock in the hospital in the Arrival --- it kinda looks like 11:15 ish to me .... what do you think?

http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1378&stc=1&d=1245646049

Thanx again EM --- gimme more gimme more !!!

[Fringeling]

Okay, after my previous post a couple of hours ago, I decided to go ahead and update the timeline with some of the corrections, changes, etc. that have been recommended by EM and others ---- thank you so much. I DID NOT, however, change any of the specific dates yet, because I wanted to examine the Power Hungry screencap of Bethany's computer a little closer. We can pretty much know it's a SNAFU as well, since the date shown on her compute screen is a couple of weeks after the show even aired, but I just want to clarify and be sure :)

We know that the Arrival happened 2 weeks after Same Old Story, and it took Olivia three weeks to spot the Observer in the Arrival. So, I'm assuming Olivia was on the job for three weeks since flight 627 --- placing Same Old Story about 1 week after flight 627 and Ghost Network about two weeks. This basically follows the timeframe of real life ---- one new episode every week, an investigation every week (from the pilot to the arrival). This breaks up when we hit Power Hungry, because that episode took place the day after Olivia saw John in her apartment, and Peter got released from the hospital, and presumably the day after the Beacon departed. So with all this in mind, and assuming the flight 627 "sept 08" date to be presumably correct, we have the following timeframes:

approx 9/8/08 flight 627
approx 9/11/08 Walter released from St. Claires
approx 9/15/08 Same Old Story investigation
approx 9/22/08 Ghost Network investigation

approx 9/29/08 (mon) beacon arrives
approx 9/30/08 (tues) beacon investigated
approx 10/01/08 (wed) beacon departs
approx 10/02/08 (thurs) Elevator crash with meegar

Now, if we look at the screencap of Bethany's computer, we see a date of around 10/29/08. With all the above info taken into account, this would shift everything to these dates:

approx 10/06/08 flight 627
approx 10/09/08 Walter released
approx 10/13/08 Same Old Story investigation
approx 10/20/08 Ghost Network investigation

approx 10/26/08 (Sun?) beacon arrives
approx 10/27/08 (Mon) team examines Beacon
approx 10/28/08 (Tues) beacon departs, Peter released from hospital, Olivia sees John Scott
approx 10/29/08 (Wed) Elevator crash with Meegar

So my question is 1)am I miscalculating anything or missing anything and 2)is there any evidence supporting Bethany's computer date over the actual airdates/coinciding with the episode dates? In other words, should we disregard Bethany's computer in favor of the assumed Flight 627=Sept 08,2008 date and everything that follows? Anyone have any final thoughts before I make the changes to the assumed dates, starting with flight 627 and sept 8th?

Obviously, I have only considered the dates up through Ghost Network thus far in trying to nail down more accurately assumed dates before moving forward into the other episodes timeframes ... :confused0006:

[xofringe314]

Well, in the finale the newspaper in the alternate reality had the same date as the episode ran, so I think Fringe is trying to stay as close to real time as possible. And as for the date on Bethany's computer, it could just be wrong. All the clocks on my school's computers are totally messed up. I'd go for the first one.
P.S. Fringeling, great job! You're really thorough.

[EM]

Nice connections EM ---- wonderful and creepy at the same time If they did do that 9/11 thing on purpose, that is absolutely insane. If they didn't do it on purpose, and it actually manages to just "add up to that" ---- that's even more insane in some ways ....

Agreed. I tend not to believe in coinkydinks myself and I probably wouldn't have mentioned it if not for that scene in the finale, but as you say, either way there are connotations. Something that makes me believe there's more to it is that the episodes for this season have another sort of wrap-around bit. In the pilot, John Scott is in the Kennedy wing of the hospital and then the newspaper in the finale has Kennedy in it. A kind of loop or continuity like the posters they put out awhile back, remember?

So would you say that it's safe to assume Greg is the same age as Dempsey?

I'm not sure about that either. In that episode, Greg's mother mentions he was "looking forward to graduating"-- if it was high school, 19 isn't outside the range but it is close to being outside the norm. My guess is 18 which would make their ages be close enough for friendship and still not uncommon that Luke would be working what appears to be a full-time job having graduated the year before.

And yeah the Boston thing with the Beacon is another error. I'll say it again --- How I wish you were around throughout the season! You are a great observer and editor, and I would have been so much more confident in the accuracy of the Timeline with your set of eyes helping to make it so.

Thanks!! I would have liked to have been here too. At the time, my hubby hadn't quite developed my devotion to Fringe and I had no one to discuss it with. I have since beaten it :club:soundly into him that the show is incredible and well worth being obsessive over! He has come to the dark side... and he likes it here. :ninja:

As far as the clock in the hospital in the Arrival --- it kinda looks like 11:15 ish to me .... what do you think?

We were waffling between 3:30 and 4:30 a.m., but on getting a better look, I think you are right. If it is 11:15, there are some things to be gleaned from the episode since the characters remark about an "hour ago" or "only 4 hours left" etc. I was also wondering if you noticed a discrepancy in that episode with Olivia being asleep during John Scott's "call." The outfits they wear implies the investigation takes place in one day and Dunham doesn't seem to me the type to take a nap, then recycle the clothes she had worn before. Again, I may have to take a closer look at that one. :what:

So my question is 1)am I miscalculating anything or missing anything and 2)is there any evidence supporting Bethany's computer date over the actual airdates/coinciding with the episode dates? In other words, should we disregard Bethany's computer in favor of the assumed Flight 627=Sept 08,2008 date and everything that follows? Anyone have any final thoughts before I make the changes to the assumed dates, starting with flight 627 and sept 8th?
Obviously, I have only considered the dates up through Ghost Network thus far in trying to nail down more accurately assumed dates before moving forward into the other episodes timeframes ...

I agree with xofringe314-- I think disregarding Bethany's computer is a good idea. At the time I posted that, it seemed "planted" (rather obviously) as a clue and I let myself be happily led by the nose. However, upon looking at your revised timeline something obvious jumps out at me:
In "The Equation" it is stated that it's been 3 months since Walter was released and that would put that episode in January. By itself, it isn't a big deal until you take into consideration that "Dreamscape" followed that episode and the plane ticket that Mark Young bought was for 12/22/2008. An impossibility for sure. In short, I don't think you miscalculated and my apologies for leading you on a wild goose chase! :tears2:

[Fringeling]

Agreed. I tend not to believe in coinkydinks myself and I probably wouldn't have mentioned it if not for that scene in the finale, but as you say, either way there are connotations. Something that makes me believe there's more to it is that the episodes for this season have another sort of wrap-around bit. In the pilot, John Scott is in the Kennedy wing of the hospital and then the newspaper in the finale has Kennedy in it. A kind of loop or continuity like the posters they put out awhile back, remember?

We were waffling between 3:30 and 4:30 a.m., but on getting a better look, I think you are right. If it is 11:15, there are some things to be gleaned from the episode since the characters remark about an "hour ago" or "only 4 hours left" etc. I was also wondering if you noticed a discrepancy in that episode with Olivia being asleep during John Scott's "call." The outfits they wear implies the investigation takes place in one day and Dunham doesn't seem to me the type to take a nap, then recycle the clothes she had worn before. Again, I may have to take a closer look at that one. :what:

I agree with xofringe314-- I think disregarding Bethany's computer is a good idea. At the time I posted that, it seemed "planted" (rather obviously) as a clue and I let myself be happily led by the nose. However, upon looking at your revised timeline something obvious jumps out at me:
In "The Equation" it is stated that it's been 3 months since Walter was released and that would put that episode in January. By itself, it isn't a big deal until you take into consideration that "Dreamscape" followed that episode and the plane ticket that Mark Young bought was for 12/22/2008. An impossibility for sure. In short, I don't think you miscalculated and my apologies for leading you on a wild goose chase! :tears2:
Wow --- awesome connections on the Kennedy thing! In case you misunderstood me, I totally bought into the idea of the assumed 9/11 date of Walter's release being purposeful ---- but this almost seals that deal as far as I am concerned.

As far as the clothing continuity errors ---- those are another thing I've kinda stopped paying attention to. It has become a little disappointing for me in regards to this show ---- a show that claims "nothing is there by accident" ----- that it would seem to have so many blatant continuity errors here and there. For the serious watchers (like you and sometimes me :o) it's really letting us down, like a bad bible translation or bogus wikipedia entry :haha: They really should HIRE someone to pay special attention to those kinds of errors, heck we are doing it for free!

Here is kind of my rundown on the Arrival timeframes (again, everything is approximate):

9/29/08 Mon 15:15 Beacon arrives
9/30/08 Tues 03:00 Walter announcing formula for root beet (possibly the same time the Beacon was transported to the Kramer Mfg warehouse in Chelsea
9/30/08 Tues 05:00 Walter falls asleep
9/30/08 Tues day Olivia and team introduced to the Beacon, Beacon moved to Walter's lab, Olivia interviews Jacobson, warehouse team gets offed by Mosley
9/30/08 Tues night Olivia asleep and gets phone call from John
10/01/08 Wed day Olivia recognized Observer, Broyles learns warehosue team was offed previous day, Jacobsen gets killed, Walter drugs Astrid, etc
10/01/08 Wed day Walter has float with Observer
10/01/08 Wed 17:30 ish 4 hours left until Beacon departs Walter questioned by team
10/01/08 Wed 18:30 ish (pitch dark outside now) 3 hours left until Beacon departs Peter abducted
10/01/08 Wed 21:30 ish Beacon departs (guestimate based on time Peter was taken to hospital from when he probably was able to leave the cemetary)
10/01/08 Wed 22:15 Peter brought to hospital, Walter "released", and tries to apologize to Astrid
10/01/08 Wed 23:15 Peter released from hospital
10/01/08 Wed rest of night Olivia goes home to see hallucination of John

discrepancies:
* Walter apologizes to Astrid seemingly during the day, when it should be at night
* Beacon actually departs over 48 hours later, more like 54 hours later (otherwise it would have departed around 15:15 during daylight as you mentioned previously)
* Olivia does wear the same clothes on Tues and Wed (yuck!)
* Warehouse team gets whacked during the day, yet Broyles finds out about it the next day. Why would it take him so long to find this out?
* as well as other lighting continuity errors

And don't apologize for the Bethany computer thing ... give me a break! I am SOOO grateful to have you helping me out (as well as all the others who've helped me out lately :tiphat:)! You're observations are inspiring and are helping to bring this timeline endeavor up to par!! If only you could get my spouse to watch Fringe now the way you convinced yours. I suppose I should just cave in and go the green green green red route :happy15:

[EM]

Wow --- awesome connections on the Kennedy thing! In case you misunderstood me, I totally bought into the idea of the assumed 9/11 date of Walter's release being purposeful ---- but this almost seals that deal as far as I am concerned. As far as the clothing continuity errors ---- those are another thing I've kinda stopped paying attention to. It has become a little disappointing for me in regards to this show ---- a show that claims "nothing is there by accident" ----- that it would seem to have so many blatant continuity errors here and there. For the serious watchers (like you and sometimes me ) it's really letting us down, like a bad bible translation or bogus wikipedia entry They really should HIRE someone to pay special attention to those kinds of errors, heck we are doing it for free!

Well, I wouldn't have blamed you if you were suspending belief, but I am glad to know you think it's worth investigating. I'm researching some more stuff as time allows and I'll post if I get something worth sharing about any more 9/11 or wrap around connections. Yes, those errors are disheartening, a huge bummer even, but I can't give up clothes watching just yet. At times it has helped me pick up on "yesterdays" and other hints in the dialogue and made me realize there was more than one day involved in an investigation. (I can be thick!) I promise that I've totally given up on watching the weather though... And maybe next season will be better :hope: since they'll have had more time to plan; this season seemed a little rushed in an effort to win viewers and stay on the air.

Here is kind of my rundown on the Arrival timeframes (again, everything is approximate)

And don't apologize for the Bethany computer thing ... give me a break! I am SOOO grateful to have you helping me out (as well as all the others who've helped me out lately )! You're observations are inspiring and are helping to bring this timeline endeavor up to par!! If only you could get my spouse to watch Fringe now the way you convinced yours. I suppose I should just cave in and go the green green green red route

That's pretty much what I got from it too, plus or minus a half hour. That deal with Broyles finding out the next day-- that's a rather large snafu, huh?

Ah, I'm glad you don't hold it against me. I was truly just trying to help and in reality you helped me far more than I helped you! It's been a pleasure. Regarding your spouse, unfortunately I have no superpowers to coax her (? and apologies if that's wrong) to the dark side, but I will say "hang in there"-- one innocent mention of a bit that piques their interest is sometimes all it takes... 'course, a green or red light bulb here or there couldn't really hurt, right? :shhh:

Now, in an effort to help rather than hinder (for once), here's another screencap that clarifies Evelina Mendoza's birthdate. Also, if you happen to have an HD version of Ghost Network, you may want to check both out again-- just to be safe. It appears her birthday is in December....

[EM]

I almost forgot that I have another detail for you, a possible verification of the "Road Not Taken" episode taking place in May. It's from the scene when Olivia and Charlie are snooping in Susan Pratt's apartment. What is interesting about it is that this calendar has May 1st taking place on what appears to be a Saturday. In our world 2009, May 1st was a Friday. Whether it means their units of time are different, or their days of the week are different, I don't know... if the world Bell is in is following the same dates, the newspaper in his office would have come out Wednesday the 12th, not Tuesday. Does it give you any ideas?

[Fringeling]

At times it has helped me pick up on "yesterdays" and other hints in the dialogue and made me realize there was more than one day involved in an investigation. (I can be thick!) I promise that I've totally given up on watching the weather though... And maybe next season will be better :hope: since they'll have had more time to plan; this season seemed a little rushed in an effort to win viewers and stay on the air.
On this note, after watching The Cure again, I noticed that again Olivia doesn't change her clothes, and the entire episode seems to take place in a single day (even the opening scene with E. Kramer seemingly takes place early in the am darkness hours of that day). Is that what you got from it? If it is all in one day, that was one busy day :faintthud:

Also, if you happen to have an HD version of Ghost Network, you may want to check both out again-- just to be safe. It appears her birthday is in December.... Totally good call here. In the one screencap after blowing it up it looks like 02, but in the one you provided (and after double checking) i'm going with the december dob as well.

I almost forgot that I have another detail for you, a possible verification of the "Road Not Taken" episode taking place in May. It's from the scene when Olivia and Charlie are snooping in Susan Pratt's apartment. What is interesting about it is that this calendar has May 1st taking place on what appears to be a Saturday. In our world 2009, May 1st was a Friday. Whether it means their units of time are different, or their days of the week are different, I don't know... if the world Bell is in is following the same dates, the newspaper in his office would have come out Wednesday the 12th, not Tuesday. Does it give you any ideas?Hmmm ... I'll buy that epi also took place in May, but as far as the days/year not matching properly I'd like to see a high def version of this calendar (which I don't have), but I would think more likely that it was an error or something. Bell's newspaper does seem to show that at least in his dimension, we are riding along the same current timeframe. I'm sure in some dimension somewhere, that the days of the week/year are off from ours, but I'm not sure if that is what they would be trying to say here or not. According to the calendar you screencapped, those days fall on those dates for 2010. I suppose it's possible they just grabbed an future calendar from somewhere to use as a prop accidentally? But I'll have to think about that one ....

On another similiar note, I re watched the Cure and found what I think is verification that it is supposed to coincide with it's air date of 10/21/08. In Walter's labnotes for the episode, he tells us that Autumn has arrived and that the whole city is in a funk because the Red Sox didn't make the World Series. Well, the first day of autumn was 9/22/08 I believe, but the game that lost it for the Red Sox last year was game 7 on Sunday 10/19/08 (they lost 3-1). This would mean that Walter was writing his notes post 10/19/08, and since the episode aired on 10/21/08, I think it's safe to say we are supposed to believe the dates coincide. This would also mean, that Olivia's birthday was 10/21---- assuming everything happened on 10/21/08 of course in the episode.

IWWMMJ is my next epi to go over again --- and now that we are nailing down the dates better we can include some more of the gems from that epi (like when Loeb was here or there, or when Jones was arrested as you pointed out earlier, etc etc) :happy15:

[EM]

Hmmm ... I'll buy that epi also took place in May, but as far as the days/year not matching properly I'd like to see a high def version of this calendar (which I don't have), but I would think more likely that it was an error or something. Bell's newspaper does seem to show that at least in his dimension, we are riding along the same current timeframe. I'm sure in some dimension somewhere, that the days of the week/year are off from ours, but I'm not sure if that is what they would be trying to say here or not. According to the calendar you screencapped, those days fall on those dates for 2010. I suppose it's possible they just grabbed an future calendar from somewhere to use as a prop accidentally? But I'll have to think about that one ....

Hulu has HD versions of "Road Not Taken" still, if you're interested. I did go back and take a look at your screencap of the newspaper and you are absolutely right-- definitely Tuesday. I should have checked that before I posted. At the time the episode would have been filmed, I am not sure there would have been a 2010 calendar to grab-- they come out late in the year, correct? It seems to me a 2009 calendar would be far more available and easy to switch ahead a couple months. To either hunt down a 2010 calendar or have one specifically made has intentional written all over it. I've been thinking a lot about all these continuity errors (when you get to Bound, take particular note of outfits) and I am not convinced they are errors, some of them are just too blatant and others require really paying attention. Could we be watching 2 worlds already?

after watching The Cure again, I noticed that again Olivia doesn't change her clothes, and the entire episode seems to take place in a single day (even the opening scene with E. Kramer seemingly takes place early in the am darkness hours of that day). Is that what you got from it?


In Walter's labnotes for the episode, he tells us that Autumn has arrived and that the whole city is in a funk because the Red Sox didn't make the World Series. Well, the first day of autumn was 9/22/08 I believe, but the game that lost it for the Red Sox last year was game 7 on Sunday 10/19/08 (they lost 3-1). This would mean that Walter was writing his notes post 10/19/08, and since the episode aired on 10/21/08, I think it's safe to say we are supposed to believe the dates coincide. This would also mean, that Olivia's birthday was 10/21---- assuming everything happened on 10/21/08 of course in the episode.


I did get the impression "the Cure" took place all in one day. Broyles says the incident with Emily Kramer in the diner took place 6 hours before Walter, Olivia, and Peter showed up and Peter remarks how Olivia has been in a mood all day.


Yep, that's a really good spot about the Red Sox-- I'm not a baseball fan, I never would have made the connection or thought to look for more info! :tiphat: Those small details really help narrow down events.....

[Fringeling]

Hulu has HD versions of "Road Not Taken" still, if you're interested. I did go back and take a look at your screencap of the newspaper and you are absolutely right-- definitely Tuesday. I should have checked that before I posted. At the time the episode would have been filmed, I am not sure there would have been a 2010 calendar to grab-- they come out late in the year, correct? It seems to me a 2009 calendar would be far more available and easy to switch ahead a couple months. To either hunt down a 2010 calendar or have one specifically made has intentional written all over it. I've been thinking a lot about all these continuity errors (when you get to Bound, take particular note of outfits) and I am not convinced they are errors, some of them are just too blatant and others require really paying attention. Could we be watching 2 worlds already? I actually did go back and look at a HD version of it from the FOX wiki .... and as far as I can tell, you're right about the days/year being off. If it is intentional, does it mean that we've been watching the world that is ahead all along? I'm wondering if there is any other evidence like this anywhere else (I suppose Bethany's computer could possibly be one). I wonder if there is anything in Nick Lane's apartment, or the corkboard in Sanford Harris' "secret office" where he got all toasty. But then again, Bell's newspaper seems to show that at least in his reality, the day/year match up. So I'm not sure.

Unless of course we will find out that we are dealing with more than two realities. Or perhaps the newspaper on Bell's desk had nothing to do with his reality (although Pinker didn't seem to indicate that in his little interview video). What if Isaac Winters --- when he goes around "activating" folks ---- gets them all prepared for the coming battle by giving them a new calendar, one with the month/year corresponding to the dimension we are going to war with (perhaps different than Bell's)? I wonder if the gravestone inconsistencies (along with Nick Lane's record) can be explained somehow if we could explain what this calendar was doing there.

Speaking of the inconsistencies with the Robert Bishop and Walter Bishop gravestone, DOB, etc. ----- in the prequel comic we are told that Walter Bishop was 62 years old (http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/006_Comic%2000_Walter%20Bishop%20Bio_as%20of%20200 8.jpg) (I'm assuming as of 2008 sometime before Sept). In the pilot, we are also told of his birth year as being in 1946. Yet in the new comic that just came out today, Bishop claims he is only 60 (he actually says 59 at first, but a polygraph shows him to be lying and then he admits to being 60). It would also appear in the comic that the interview he is having with his "visitor" took place the day before Olivia came to meet Walter for the first time. So how old is the Walter that we know? Did he simply get his age wrong again, or is the Walter that we know and "love" actually 2 years younger than the Walter the world assumes is with us? Is AlterWalter 62 years old, and our Walter 60? Could this help to explain some of the other inconsistencies with time in the show? :confused0006:

[EM]

If it is intentional, does it mean that we've been watching the world that is ahead all along?
Unless of course we will find out that we are dealing with more than two realities. Or perhaps the newspaper on Bell's desk had nothing to do with his reality (although Pinker didn't seem to indicate that in his little interview video). What if Isaac Winters --- when he goes around "activating" folks ---- gets them all prepared for the coming battle by giving them a new calendar, one with the month/year corresponding to the dimension we are going to war with (perhaps different than Bell's)? I wonder if the gravestone inconsistencies (along with Nick Lane's record) can be explained somehow if we could explain what this calendar was doing there.

I have thought before there had to be 3 realities at least. When Olivia first speaks to Walter and Peter about her visions, she describes the world as being "bleak" which is at odds with the final scene in the finale which I would describe as hopeful. (It's possible they are the same world and that only Boston is under duress, but I just get the feeling they are different.) If they are 2 different worlds, then the 3rd world is the one whose reality makes up the bulk of the content of the show we've been watching, the one whose May 1st is a Saturday presumably. That's the way it seems to me anyway, but that would still make them (what we've been watching) the world that is behind by a day or so, wouldn't it? (If the "beings whose history is slightly ahead of our own" thing is literal, equating "history" with time.)

It could be that Winters is giving out calendars to correspond with the other world's timeline, but for what purpose unless he knew specifically when the confrontation would be? I'll have to think a little more on that idea, as well as on the possible repercussions it could have regarding the inconsistencies.

Yet in the new comic that just came out today, Bishop claims he is only 60 (he actually says 59 at first, but a polygraph shows him to be lying and then he admits to being 60). It would also appear in the comic that the interview he is having with his "visitor" took place the day before Olivia came to meet Walter for the first time. So how old is the Walter that we know? Did he simply get his age wrong again, or is the Walter that we know and "love" actually 2 years younger than the Walter the world assumes is with us? Is AlterWalter 62 years old, and our Walter 60? Could this help to explain some of the other inconsistencies with time in the show?

Ah, those wonderful inconsistencies... I did a double-take when I read that comic and started doing math in my head trying to make sense of it, but I haven't been able to so far. There is so much that confuses me about that scene-- first, the doctor apparently believes that Walter really is 60 because there is no ensuing electrical shock. Wouldn't he have some prior knowledge of Walter's vital statistics to know what was and wasn't true? If he is just going by the reaction of the polygraph and Walter believes it to be true, that he is 59, why did the polygraph call it a lie-- his heart rate wouldn't change if he believed it to be true. Your theory of an alter-dimensional (or possibly time-traveling) Walter makes the most sense to me. This all reminds me of Broyles' comment to Olivia: "Tomorrow you'll have a million answers and a million and one new questions." :confused: I do, Broyles, I really really do.


Now that I've admitted I know nothing, I have a question for you about your timeline. Where did you find the bit about Walter's birthday maybe being in January? At the beginning of IWWMMJ, there is a pretty good shot of Walter's driver's license DOB (in the recap section of the episode) and it doesn't look to me like it says 01/??/????. Would you take a look when you go back over that epi and see what you think? (I won't tell you what I thought I saw so that you'll have an unbiased view.)

[Fringeling]

I have thought before there had to be 3 realities at least. When Olivia first speaks to Walter and Peter about her visions, she describes the world as being "bleak" which is at odds with the final scene in the finale which I would describe as hopeful. (It's possible they are the same world and that only Boston is under duress, but I just get the feeling they are different.) If they are 2 different worlds, then the 3rd world is the one whose reality makes up the bulk of the content of the show we've been watching, the one whose May 1st is a Saturday presumably. That's the way it seems to me anyway, but that would still make them (what we've been watching) the world that is behind by a day or so, wouldn't it? (If the "beings whose history is slightly ahead of our own" thing is literal, equating "history" with time.)

It could be that Winters is giving out calendars to correspond with the other world's timeline, but for what purpose unless he knew specifically when the confrontation would be? I'll have to think a little more on that idea, as well as on the possible repercussions it could have regarding the inconsistencies.



Ah, those wonderful inconsistencies... I did a double-take when I read that comic and started doing math in my head trying to make sense of it, but I haven't been able to so far. There is so much that confuses me about that scene-- first, the doctor apparently believes that Walter really is 60 because there is no ensuing electrical shock. Wouldn't he have some prior knowledge of Walter's vital statistics to know what was and wasn't true? If he is just going by the reaction of the polygraph and Walter believes it to be true, that he is 59, why did the polygraph call it a lie-- his heart rate wouldn't change if he believed it to be true. Your theory of an alter-dimensional (or possibly time-traveling) Walter makes the most sense to me. This all reminds me of Broyles' comment to Olivia: "Tomorrow you'll have a million answers and a million and one new questions." :confused: I do, Broyles, I really really do.


Now that I've admitted I know nothing, I have a question for you about your timeline. Where did you find the bit about Walter's birthday maybe being in January? At the beginning of IWWMMJ, there is a pretty good shot of Walter's driver's license DOB (in the recap section of the episode) and it doesn't look to me like it says 01/??/????. Would you take a look when you go back over that epi and see what you think? (I won't tell you what I thought I saw so that you'll have an unbiased view.)

You know, I really regret not getting the HD versions of the episodes.:what: I only have a couple, and now I find that I can't buy them anymore on itunes. I wonder if that will be permanent now? And HULU and the FOX site don't have IWWMMJ (or the pilot) anymore ----- so do you have a high def version of this sucker? The same shot of the DL is also in the pilot if that helps ....

Yeah unfortunately to my eyes (if that tells you anything right there :haha:) looking at this drivers license it kinda does look like an 01 to me still (and I'm thinking this is where I probably got the Jan date in the first place). When I flip forward and backward still by still, I can see maybe an 04, but I'm not sure. Are you seeing something totally different? What's worse, is that I might see an 8 in there as well in the numbers ---- which with the new information about Walter possibly being 60 and not 62 ------ I might have originally thought that 8 was a day, but it could be part of a 48 :eek:

And I'm almost sold on there being at least three realities as well --- when I originally saw the season finale, it was the only way I could explain the Peter's, they're diseases and "deaths" and the coins the Observer and Walter had, etc etc. But I'm still not completely sure. I really hope we deal with several (like five or more !!!) But this probably too much to ask from a TV show ....

And let me just say thanx to you again for all your help! I appreciate it tremendously :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

[EM]

You know, I really regret not getting the HD versions of the episodes. I only have a couple, and now I find that I can't buy them anymore on itunes. I wonder if that will be permanent now? And HULU and the FOX site don't have IWWMMJ (or the pilot) anymore ----- so do you have a high def version of this sucker? The same shot of the DL is also in the pilot if that helps ....
Yeah unfortunately to my eyes (if that tells you anything right there ) looking at this drivers license it kinda does look like an 01 to me still (and I'm thinking this is where I probably got the Jan date in the first place). When I flip forward and backward still by still, I can see maybe an 04, but I'm not sure. Are you seeing something totally different? What's worse, is that I might see an 8 in there as well in the numbers ---- which with the new information about Walter possibly being 60 and not 62 ------ I might have originally thought that 8 was a day, but it could be part of a 48
And I'm almost sold on there being at least three realities as well --- when I originally saw the season finale, it was the only way I could explain the Peter's, they're diseases and "deaths" and the coins the Observer and Walter had, etc etc. But I'm still not completely sure. I really hope we deal with several (like five or more !!!) But this probably too much to ask from a TV show ....
And let me just say thanx to you again for all your help! I appreciate it tremendously

I don't have any HD episodes at all-- they don't run on my computer. I get my videos from Amazon Video on Demand and they do have HD versions of everything, even the whole season, if you want to check it out. They are 2.99 apiece, a bit higher than some sites, but the whole site is user-friendly which is a plus to me. Also, I'll watch to see if that DL pops up in the beginning of later episodes that are still available in HD.

Oh, we're in trouble since my eyes aren't the best either, but to me it looked like an 04. Looking at it again, I saw the 8 as part of 48 as well which, like you said, would work for Walter's 60. Speaking of Peter's illness, an idea keeps popping into my noggin about that. I think Walter may have brought that illness that "hadn't been around for decades" home to Peter from one of his travels back in time-- if it's true, it could explain Walter's extreme guilt over his son's death. In an ealier post, you asked:

So how old is the Walter that we know? Did he simply get his age wrong again, or is the Walter that we know and "love" actually 2 years younger than the Walter the world assumes is with us? Is AlterWalter 62 years old, and our Walter 60? Could this help to explain some of the other inconsistencies with time in the show?

This notion of time travel could also explain Walter's "birthdate" from the pilot comic. He is 62, but taking the place of his 60 year-old self, perhaps because he's better equipped to handle resisting the doctor, perhaps because his brain is already swiss-cheesed, perhaps because he ended up stuck here for some other reason. Do you remember in the pilot when he said, "So much has happened here, and so much is about to?" He could have known what was coming if he'd been there before. Still it's just a theory. (I've also thought "Robert Bishop" may turn out to be Walter in one of his time travels, but again I have no hard evidence.) Ha! Five worlds or more? That would be awesome... Headache inducing, but awesome!
You are still very, very welcome and as I've said, you've actually helped me more than I did you.

[Fringeling]

Nice ----- I went to Amazon and got the first two minutes of IWWMMJ as a free sample in HD ---- just enough to screencap the DL! You're certainly right about the 04 and the 48 ---- does the day look like an 05 I wonder?

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/127_107_Walter%20HD%20DL%20and%20DOB.png

I'm going to try and finish watching IWWMMJ here in the next couple of days and get an update on the Timeline posted with all the recommendations and new tidbits ya'll have picked up (along with the next comic). I'm going to include both birthdates for Walter (minus the Jan of course). Perhaps after we get some complete rewatches under our belts, we'll really have a nicely edited timeline for WWReference. When I originally started it, one of my fears was going episode by episode that not only would I obviously miss some info, but I might miss an update on some previous information that might change based on new data (or the release of HD versions of the episodes :happy15:).
:cookiemonster:

You know, I just started watching IWWMMJ again, and right off the bat there seems to be a blaring continuity error. It's appears to be daylight (or the lights inside the FBI building are just that bright) when Broyles and Loeb go over Loeb's failed raid on the truck at Weymouth (which I am assuming was the night before). Then, we cut to pitchd dark nightime and Loeb is being rushed to the ER. Then, it's daylight again, and Broyles tells Olivia that Loeb collapsed two hours ago. :(

Am I seeing this correctly? I suppose it's possible that the failed raid at the dock and Loeb's interview with Broyles all took place at night, or early early am, etc. But somehow I doubt it ...

[Fringified]

You know, I just started watching IWWMMJ again, and right off the bat there seems to be a blaring continuity error. It's appears to be daylight (or the lights inside the FBI building are just that bright) when Broyles and Loeb go over Loeb's failed raid on the truck at Weymouth (which I am assuming was the night before). Then, we cut to pitchd dark nightime and Loeb is being rushed to the ER. Then, it's daylight again, and Broyles tells Olivia that Loeb collapsed two hours ago. :(

Am I seeing this correctly? I suppose it's possible that the failed raid at the dock and Loeb's interview with Broyles all took place at night, or early early am, etc. But somehow I doubt it ...

That's always annoyed me about shows and films - but I guess the darkness was added for dramatic effect.

[Citizen]

Nice ----- I went to Amazon and got the first two minutes of IWWMMJ as a free sample in HD ---- just enough to screencap the DL! You're certainly right about the 04 and the 48 ---- does the day look like an 05 I wonder?

I'm glad the age Walter gave in the last comic didn't contradict the age given in the show. Thanks for posting the screencap. :tiphat:

And if I were you, I wouldn't consider the prequel comic canon, seeing as it includes the mystery from The Same Old Story with a different woman, most likely what they originally had planned for the episode. We should also give canonical precedence to whatever age we see in a newer episode, which is how most fandoms handle these kind of discrepancies. Hence, the age given in 1.07 should trump the age given in an older episode.

[EM]

Nice ----- I went to Amazon and got the first two minutes of IWWMMJ as a free sample in HD ---- just enough to screencap the DL! You're certainly right about the 04 and the 48 ---- does the day look like an 05 I wonder?
You know, I just started watching IWWMMJ again, and right off the bat there seems to be a blaring continuity error. It's appears to be daylight (or the lights inside the FBI building are just that bright) when Broyles and Loeb go over Loeb's failed raid on the truck at Weymouth (which I am assuming was the night before). Then, we cut to pitch dark nightime and Loeb is being rushed to the ER. Then, it's daylight again, and Broyles tells Olivia that Loeb collapsed two hours ago.
Am I seeing this correctly? I suppose it's possible that the failed raid at the dock and Loeb's interview with Broyles all took place at night, or early early am, etc. But somehow I doubt it ...

I forgot about those 2-minute free teasers, but I'm glad it worked out for you! :happy15: If you mean 05 in the "issued" date, it looks like 05 or 25 to me, but I'm not completely certain. If you mean under the K in "revoked", I don't even have a guess on that one-- I can't see it at all.

I paid special attention to the beginning of IWWMMJ to form an opinion about that continuity error and I believe they may just mean it was all an early morning thing as you suggest. The light in the office windows could be natural or artificial, it's really hard to tell. Loeb appears to be wearing the same navy blue collared shirt in Broyles' office as he was wearing at the raid. Walter is rather preoccupied with his breath being "atrocious" and Peter doesn't seem to have gotten to shave so they could have been rousted rather early by Broyles to get started on the case.:confused0006:

A couple of times that I hadn't noticed before did jump out at me this go-round and if you already had them or spotted them in your rewatch, just disregard them. Olivia lands in Germany at either 12:30 p.m. or 6:00 p.m. (apparently Germany time) and her meeting with Mr. Jones takes place at 8:00 a.m. Germany time the following day.

[Xerophytes]

1995 - Walter's brain extraction

[SEfanA]

Isn't anyone updating this anymore?

In the episode A new day in the old town, the shop owner says something like "It's been six years" to the shapeshifter from the alt. reality when he goes in to use the mirror. Assuming that's said in 2009, it would mean he's refering to 2003.

[Quill]

Nice ----- I went to Amazon and got the first two minutes of IWWMMJ as a free sample in HD ---- just enough to screencap the DL! You're certainly right about the 04 and the 48 ---- does the day look like an 05 I wonder?

http://ktwray.webs.com/Fringe%20References/127_107_Walter%20HD%20DL%20and%20DOB.png


Why does Walter have a NY license - with a NY address - when they lived in Cambridge? ETA: And heh, with a Missouri zip code no less! Interesting though, that they kept the continuity of Walter's paranoia.

[(9)November]

Fringeling thank u for all ur hard work im working on a flat timeline. i just finished the first draft but its really unorganized and confusing so im going to re-do it tomarrow in a final draft. thats easier to read. if u can please send me an updated version of ur timeline or post an updated one onto ur thread so i can get all the events in order. if not o well ill just sift through the thread. but again thank u for all the work i wasnt about to look for all of that and i think i would have missed alot of them.:observer: