Time Travel

[kowalinator]

Ok so there is no way that the machine could have allowed travel back in time, since doing so would alter future events immensely. Discuss...

[Yorel]

I think the invention worked but not as intended.
The cameras are somewhat necessary to align everything properly kinda like
the camera used by construction workers.

The invention was supposed to allow to move someone through space and time.
However it moves someone only through space and not through time as far as we know.

OR

What if it worked like intended. Now this is getting interesting.... What if it did move Jones through space and time?
Obviously Jones is highly important. So if he was to "escape" people would notice it and bring it up. And they would know right away he is linked to everything. What if the new Jones in our current time line is Jones from the future? So the present Jones is still in jail and the future Jones is also now in our time line.
Nobody would know that he escaped.
He could also be highly interested in Olivia based on what she does in the future.

Does someone remember from the episode "1.07 In Which We Meet Mr. Jones" if a date is set for trial? Like he is supposed to be able to get out of Jail in the near future? I will have to watch tonight's episode again but I think the "lawyer" mentioned something about a trial if he signed some sort of paper. This could be a clue that the Jones we now have is indeed from the future. Since in our current time line is he nowhere near being released.


Something that does not much to do with Jones.
It said something on one of the camera on the front. In white letters, was it Walter?

[kowalinator]

the only problem is that Walter stated that his machine was built to "teleport" something from the past. Seeing as you would need to find the exact location of every particle to teleport something that information would have to be ascertained from the past.... teleporting something from the future is impossible... then again if he was from the future than he would already have Walters machine or atleast the knowledge of how to build it meaning that they wouldnt have had to steal it in the first place....

[Yorel]

Why would he have the knowledge of how to build the machine in the future if it stays locked in a safe?

And "teleporting" someone from the past is as far fetched as "teleporting" someone from the future.

[kowalinator]

if he were to come from the future in this fashion that would mean that he would have to know that this would occur so that he could be in the "right spot" at the right time....
For him to know this would happen in the future then it would already have had to happen before for him in his past, our present. Thus he would already have knowledge of how the system would have worked and the second third or millionth time that this event has occured, since we cannot truly measure time if time travel is possible, he would already have made the machine thus relieving him of needing to steal it again...

[Yorel]

That is if there is only 1 jones from 1 space/time.

My theory would be that there is 2 different Jones from different space/time.

Example:

Guy #1 tells Guy #2 in 10 years stand exactly there we will bring you back.

1 minute later , Guy #1 uses the machine targeting this exact spot 10 years in the future on the time grid.

Future Guy #2 gets ported back, so now there is two Guy #2 in the same space/time.

And guy #2 still wouldn't know how to build the machine.

[Yorel]

Double Post sorry.

[Fringeling]

the only problem is that Walter stated that his machine was built to "teleport" something from the past.

I thought Walter said something to the effect of "I built a machine to reach through the fabric of space-time and bring back Dr. Gross" ---- I don't remember him using the word teleport (I could be wrong). He also clarified at the end of his revealing conversation that in theory, one could get anyone from anywhere.

Now, obviously Jones was transported, but was he teleported? If one used a worm hole to travel, would this be the same as teleporting?

[Latinoguy]

Why would he have the knowledge of how to build the machine in the future if it stays locked in a safe?

And "teleporting" someone from the past is as far fetched as "teleporting" someone from the future.
hahaha no

Teleportation lol

[Latinoguy]

I thought Walter said something to the effect of "I built a machine to reach through the fabric of space-time and bring back Dr. Gross" ---- I don't remember him using the word teleport (I could be wrong). He also clarified at the end of his revealing conversation that in theory, one could get anyone from anywhere.

Now, obviously Jones was transported, but was he teleported? If one used a worm hole to travel, would this be the same as teleporting?
wormholes :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Rocky]

I am thinking this is a modified version of the original machine. We know Jones is around now, Olivia met with him. I am still perplexed as to how this time travel would have worked. For me I still can't grasp how someone could be moved from time and not cause things in the future (which is actually the present) to change.....

[Latinoguy]

I am thinking this is a modified version of the original machine. We know Jones is around now, Olivia met with him. I am still perplexed as to how this time travel would have worked. For me I still can't grasp how someone could be moved from time and not cause things in the future (which is actually the present) to change.....
I don't think the real question is wheather it would change or not...but how is it even possible in the first place?

Physics is against that type of time travel ( only to the future works )

[Yorel]

I don't think the real question is wheather it would change or not...but how is it even possible in the first place?

Physics is against that type of time travel ( only to the future works )


It's a tv show?

[kowalinator]

ya but the point of this TV show is that it attempts to follow the laws of physics and theories that technically could work but realistically dont.... thats why people like the show read these forums and have so many discussions. This show is borderline possible, theoretically but unfortunately not realistically..

......Yet :)

[D-Roc]

Interesting discussion..

Initially I speculated that the scenes with Mr. Jones were from a future date, and we were actually watching two time-periods playing out - the future (Dr. Jones) and the present (Loeb, Olivia, etc). Of course this suspicion didn't last long in my mind, but I do wonder whether they'll ever do anything like that at some point to try to deceive us..

Anyway, I guess the device was used to move Jones through space and not time, so it has the ability to 'teleport', as has been suggested by others in this and other threads. I like the fact that Jones had to prepare for the 'journey' (lotion, eye drops, dramamine and enter a decompresion chamber afterwards), it made it more believable that there would be 'consequences' for such an event.

As for whether time travel is possible without altering 'present' events, well I'm not sure. I believe that to a certain extent it is, but that ultimately the Universe has a way of course-correcting (I'm not just saying that because I'm a LOST fan, I do subscribe to the idea). So I guess that as well as the laws of physics, time-travel is also subject to the laws of fate and freewill.

I'm also interested in whether Loeb and Jones plan to use the device for time-travel? We've seen it used for what we ca assume was teleportation..what else do they have up their sleeves that could benefit their overriding goal?