Little Hill ?!?!?

[xXJDUBSXx]

So I'm Glad we finally figured out what the clue "Little Hill" was, which I have to say was bothering me not knowing what it was. This brings another question up though......? What is the actual significance of this location? Why did the teleportation have to take place there? It has to be significant because of the great degree of effort it took in previous episodes to gain this information! Any thoughts on this?

[Daisy]

I'm trying to recall any of the other landmarks, towns etc from the map where they identified "little hill"
Maybe someone from the future buried an EMF field or something there that makes the transporter machine work. Or it's just naturally conducive, or stars aligning or something.

[Fringeling]

I've googled this location --- Westford, MA I believe? I can't find any Little Hill Field anywhere, so I feel a little disenfranchised :confused0006:It would be nice if the show had clues which we could actually figure out ... It kind of stinks when the clue is about a completely fictitious place :ninja:

On a similiar note, I could find nothing on the "bird flu" like hepium disease/virus that Peter supposedly had in his youth. Did anyone else verify this illness I'm wondering?

[Sander]

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[obsidian]

Little Hill almost sounded like a dual code-word this episode.

Over here: http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333); rebecca brought up that the surname Dunham meant a small village in England (dun=hill) (ham=village).

I was thinking - Mr. Jones left the prison so that he could 'teleport' to Little Hill. He also wanted Olivia, whose name has reference to hills.

This could be another example of how Olivia changes the Pattern - the 'bad guys' could have chosen Little Hill as their location as an allusion to their other goal of abducting Olivia. ...?

[wtbates]

My guess would be that there is something special about that location and the Earth's magnetic field or something weak/special about the space time continuum in that area. Possibly there is significance between the location in the jail cell and Little Hill on the Earth's sphere.

I am more interested in why they had to go through that whole ruse to get the Little Hill information a few episodes earlier when Olivia got it from Dr. Jones.

WT

[Latinoguy]

My guess would be that there is something special about that location and the Earth's magnetic field or something weak/special about the space time continuum in that area. Possibly there is significance between the location in the jail cell and Little Hill on the Earth's sphere.

I am more interested in why they had to go through that whole ruse to get the Little Hill information a few episodes earlier when Olivia got it from Dr. Jones.

WT
lol at time continuum.....

[wtbates]

lol at time continuum.....

Data would be able to scan the area and tell us. ;-)

[tdogg74]

Little Hill is a fictitious location. My wife grew up in Westford, and i grew up in the town to the East, Chelmsford. At first we were psyched when they mentioned Westford, hoping we could figure out where this place was, but none of what they showed in the show was Westford. Then they said the location was "right off RT3". In order to get to Westford from RT3, you have to go through either Tyngsborough or Chelmsford. Also, Olivia made some mention on the phone to someone about going "east" on RT3 (especially when Liv was standing in front of the map of Massachusetts on the computer screen.) RT3 is a North/South highway. :rolleye0014:

Writers need to do a little research.

[Draken]

Anyone think that Little Hill and the German prison might share some sort of latitude and longitude relationship that makes them essential to teleportation from those respective locations?

[skeetergirl87]

Now that we know what Little Hill refers to, what did Smith/Jones mean by "the gentleman"? Who's the gentleman that is at Little Hill? Why did Jones need to know that and what is the significance?

[Wondermind]

Little Hill is a fictitious location. My wife grew up in Westford, and i grew up in the town to the East, Chelmsford. At first we were psyched when they mentioned Westford, hoping we could figure out where this place was, but none of what they showed in the show was Westford. Then they said the location was "right off RT3". In order to get to Westford from RT3, you have to go through either Tyngsborough or Chelmsford. Also, Olivia made some mention on the phone to someone about going "east" on RT3 (especially when Liv was standing in front of the map of Massachusetts on the computer screen.) RT3 is a North/South highway. :rolleye0014:

Writers need to do a little research.
Funny how that happens. I was born and raised in Wash DC and too many times I see movies and tv shows referrencing places and/or buildings in DC that only exist in the writer's imagination. :confused0066:

[D-Roc]

So I'm Glad we finally figured out what the clue "Little Hill" was, which I have to say was bothering me not knowing what it was. This brings another question up though......? What is the actual significance of this location? Why did the teleportation have to take place there? It has to be significant because of the great degree of effort it took in previous episodes to gain this information! Any thoughts on this?
It's been said that there are certain places on the earth that 'hot spots' with unique properties. Perhaps "Little Hill" is one such place, a location condusive for the time of 'travel' that Jones underwent?

Perhaps the significance is not so much the location? I mean, Olivia was coersed before by Jones and Loeb, who both played high risk games to get the "Little Hill" answer from Smith. Perhaps Loeb and Jones decided to use an actual "Little Hill" location to trick Olivia again..to further bring her closer to their clutches.

If so, then it worked - they have her and she never even put up a fight.

Maybe, as others have speculated, the real "Little Hill" is indeed Dunham..and perhaps the gentleman is her unborn child?

An equally important question, I feel, is what is Smith's involvement in all of this? How did he know the answer to the question? Who did he work for?:confused0006:


Little Hill almost sounded like a dual code-word this episode.

Over here: http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333); rebecca brought up that the surname Dunham meant a small village in England (dun=hill) (ham=village).

I was thinking - Mr. Jones left the prison so that he could 'teleport' to Little Hill. He also wanted Olivia, whose name has reference to hills.

This could be another example of how Olivia changes the Pattern - the 'bad guys' could have chosen Little Hill as their location as an allusion to their other goal of abducting Olivia. ...?
I agree! Yikes, we have to stop doing this obsidian! :p


My guess would be that there is something special about that location and the Earth's magnetic field or something weak/special about the space time continuum in that area. Possibly there is significance between the location in the jail cell and Little Hill on the Earth's sphere.
Yeah, I think that possible. It's certainly plausible.


I am more interested in why they had to go through that whole ruse to get the Little Hill information a few episodes earlier when Olivia got it from Dr. Jones.
I posted my opinions on this above - Essentially I would guess that this convoluted plan came down to a test of loyalty (for Loeb) information (that Jones needed)..information that this Smith guy had concerning a gentleman - which may well be connected to Olivia. Hence Jones' rather shocked expression when he heard the answer from Olivia's own lips.

For this to work though, I'm assuming that Jones knows all too well the meaning of Dunham in middle English:confused0006:

[EternalIllusion]

Here's my take on it all. Going only by what we know about this teleportation device, Walter began his explanation by talking about time travel. He said that he could bring back the dead doctor in theory. In the beginning of the episode, Walter was talking to Francis about imagining himself 20 years ago, being who he is today(20 years later). Now think about Olivia and her Merging memories with John... Now think of the mental time travel used in Lost.

The device likely establishes a connection with who you were at a certain time in the past, and places your current self at that exact location. That is why little hill was important. As well as the precise location of the traveler. The guy in prison, David Jones, knew roughly how far back in time the device could take him, and figured out the place he was at then. Or perhaps the place was intentionally picked due to the descrete area in the field, and the lenth of time since he was last there was calculated later. "Where does the gentlemen live" was probably a reminded of a memory both David Jones and Joseph Smith shared that had to do with the little hill location. I am guessing when the teleportation is complete, both past and present Jones have become one. A separate timeline that includes both sets of memories.

It seems to me that the only role Olivia plays in all this is being needed by MD to decode the remainder of John Scotts memories. David Jones had only developed interest in her after Nina Sharp announced that MD needs Olivia asap! It seems that a direct connection between David Jones, Lobe and MD is official. Nina is obviously lying to Broyles in the last 30 seconds of the episode.

Seems pretty straight forward in a general sense.

[Fringeling]

Jones was born in England ----- so he might just know Dunham's meaning.And remember that Mr. Jones seemed awful glad when he found out the answer was Little Hill. Why would he really care if he was going to be beamed up into an old airstrip? Why would he care WHERE it was at all really, so long as it wasn't in Germany? Little Hill seemed to be the kicker for him and Loeb both. Either there is something AT Little Hill still, or with Olivia Dunham being the Little Hill as well. I really like the connections though that D-Roc made with the whole "Safe" bit. Now, I'm not so sure anymore that Olivia being pregnant is the answer, but perhaps she could be IMPREGNATED. Remember golden boy in Same Old Story --- one touch from him (so to speak) and out a baby came within an hour right? Also, she might be pregnant, and they might "Extract" the baby and continue to incubate it themselves. I don't think they are concerned with her carrying the supposed baby to full term, because in the preview for the next episode Loeb apparently tells his wife it's time to kill Olivia. So whatever it is they need from her, they apparently get. It could be a fetus I suppose, or eggs they are after.

I kind of rambled, sorry !:confused0066:

[obsidian]

Anyone think that Little Hill and the German prison might share some sort of latitude and longitude relationship that makes them essential to teleportation from those respective locations?

I don't really have a picture to show, but if you look at a map, the longitudinal line that touches the very tip of the state Maine is about where the bottom of Germany is. So the lower 49 states are below (x) longitude, and Germany is above it.

Ley lines could be a possibility, though - something along those lines, as has been mentioned before me.

[soynutz7]

I'm from westford too, there is no little hill. Like tdogg74 i got psyched when they mentioned westford, but bummed out when i realized it was all contrived.

[bballkid1337]

Funny how that happens. I was born and raised in Wash DC and too many times I see movies and tv shows referrencing places and/or buildings in DC that only exist in the writer's imagination. :confused0066:

Really? I live about a half hour from DC, my dad's company has an office building there.

As for the topic, it seems the attention has shifted from the majority going to MD now to Mr. Jones and Little Hill. But one thing bothers me, why did Jones need to know where the gentleman lives, like why did he need to know where he was going? Maybe he had to set something up on his part too, to be directed to Little Hill. The gentleman might just refer to the people who were setting the thing up, that they were going to be at Little Hill.

[EternalIllusion]

Really? I live about a half hour from DC, my dad's company has an office building there.

As for the topic, it seems the attention has shifted from the majority going to MD now to Mr. Jones and Little Hill. But one thing bothers me, why did Jones need to know where the gentleman lives, like why did he need to know where he was going? Maybe he had to set something up on his part too, to be directed to Little Hill. The gentleman might just refer to the people who were setting the thing up, that they were going to be at Little Hill.
Read my last post. Jones already knew about little hill. Loeb is the one that needed to know about it but couldnt contact Jones directly for some reason. Hense the whole ordeal with the parasite.

[obsidian]

Read my last post. Jones already knew about little hill. Loeb is the one that needed to know about it but couldnt contact Jones directly for some reason. Hense the whole ordeal with the parasite.

I was thinking it had something to do with the fact that he worked for the FBI, and while contacting other people in the Pattern group wouldn't be hard, it would be difficult to find an excuse to contact Jones in a German prison.

....I wonder why Jones is in a German prison in the first place. Seems so random.

[EternalIllusion]

I was thinking it had something to do with the fact that he worked for the FBI, and while contacting other people in the Pattern group wouldn't be hard, it would be difficult to find an excuse to contact Jones in a German prison.

....I wonder why Jones is in a German prison in the first place. Seems so random.
Well i thought so too as far as Loeb being restricted in his actions due to his job, but then look at the last episode and the Equation episode. He's got quite an agenda going on that the FBI has no clue about... kinda weird.

As far as the German prison - Jones was put there due to "possession of state secrets." Which more then likely has a connection with whatever Jones is planning with 'his people' and Loeb. Remember Loeb's tactical drawing on the map of Germany in the last episode?

[Ilya Kuryakin]

It is amazing how much free time Loeb has. Maybe he's on convalescent leave after recently having his freaking chest cracked open.

[obsidian]

It is amazing how much free time Loeb has. Maybe he's on convalescent leave after recently having his freaking chest cracked open.

XDXD

It would make sense though. I mean, I doubt the FBI makes people start working right after they've had a near-death experience, lol.


Well i thought so too as far as Loeb being restricted in his actions due to his job, but then look at the last episode and the Equation episode. He's got quite an agenda going on that the FBI has no clue about... kinda weird.

As far as the German prison - Jones was put there due to "possession of state secrets." Which more then likely has a connection with whatever Jones is planning with 'his people' and Loeb. Remember Loeb's tactical drawing on the map of Germany in the last episode?

There's just so many hints about Germany that don't make sense. Jones was held in a German prison; one of Loeb's underlings made a comment that it sounded like he planned on invading Germany; Olivia even speaks German quite well.

Thanks for that, though. I forgot about the state secrets thing. :ashamed0004:

[Matthew]

Anyone think that Little Hill and the German prison might share some sort of latitude and longitude relationship that makes them essential to teleportation from those respective locations?
Hmm..something like that is possible, because they did seem to be reading off the latitude and longitude when lining up the devices, but what I do not understand is the original question back in episode 1.07, where Mr. Jones asked where it was located.

Where what was located exactly? What was at Little Hill?

[Fringified]

From 1.07, we know that Mr. Jones wanted to know "where the gentleman lives." In 1.10, we revisit the name "Little Hill." Only one thing-no gentleman lives there.

Just thinking aloud, someone could possibly live in Little Hill that Mr. Jones wants to see. But then again, Little Hill was a field not a town.

Also, just while I'm posting a thread, can anyone tell me how the Observer gained his name, September? I must have missed that....

Happy holidays everyone! Happy Chaunakah (excuse my spelling :faintthud:) to those who celebrate, merry Christmas to those who celebrate that, and happy holidays to the others! Be safe!

[BrassOrchid]

From 1.07, we know that Mr. Jones wanted to know "where the gentleman lives." In 1.10, we revisit the name "Little Hill." Only one thing-no gentleman lives there.

Just thinking aloud, someone could possibly live in Little Hill that Mr. Jones wants to see. But then again, Little Hill was a field not a town.

Also, just while I'm posting a thread, can anyone tell me how the Observer gained his name, September? I must have missed that....

Happy holidays everyone! Happy Chaunakah (excuse my spelling :faintthud:) to those who celebrate, merry Christmas to those who celebrate that, and happy holidays to the others! Be safe!


Ooo! On a different thread I posted this thought:


OOO! I just got a brain flash (not as painful as it sounds) and I had to share it. The question was "Where does the gentleman live" and the answer was "Little Hill". Now, we know Little Hill was where he transported to, and that Dunham can be loosely translated to Little Hill as well. I think the first is irrelevant, it is the second of those connections that is important. I think the 'gentleman' is John Scott. Where does John Scott live? In Olivia Dunham's memories. Maybe what Jones was asking was where are John Scott's memories. Once he learned that they lived in Olivia...she was kidnapped!

Ok, this may not have been the perfect thread for this, now that I think about it, but this is the one I was reading when it hit me. :)

So....what do y'all think? Am I totally off base with that? (and apologies if others have all ready proposed this idea)

And joys of the season to you as well!:greet008:

[Kirst.]

That's been boggling my mind too, I think the gentleman could be living in the town Little Hill Field is in (the name escapes me). Or the gentleman is a metaphor for something or other, but my mind is too full of Christmas plans (bloody holidays) to think of what it could be.

And I've been wondering that about the Observer too, but I just figured I was being slow and I was missing something obvious, glad it's not just me! because Broyles told Olivia that they refer to him as "The Observer" so I don't know where September came from.

[BrassOrchid]

That's been boggling my mind too, I think the gentleman could be living in the town Little Hill Field is in (the name escapes me). Or the gentleman is a metaphor for something or other, but my mind is too full of Christmas plans (bloody holidays) to think of what it could be.

And I've been wondering that about the Observer too, but I just figured I was being slow and I was missing something obvious, glad it's not just me! because Broyles told Olivia that they refer to him as "The Observer" so I don't know where September came from.

I'm pretty sure he is listed as "September" in the credits/official synopsis of the show, etc. So TPTB call him September, but inside the show he is referred to as the Observer. So far as -why- TPTB might call him September...lots of ideas being floated around about that but nothing concrete has come up yet, as far as I know.

[Kirst.]

Oh, thanks, I shall check out the credits and see if he is listed as September. Kind of curious that he isn't called September in the show though, but I persume they dont actually know about him in the show so maybe it'll be brought up sometime.

[Fringeling]

I hope I can summarize thepopular main theories thus far as to these questions:

*Little Hill could mean the actual place they transported Jones to and nothing more
*Little Hill could refer dually to Olivia's last name "Dunham" which means "Little Hill" in Old English I believe.
*Little Hill could refer also to a pregnancy "bump" --- if Olivia is pregnant
*The Gentlemen could be John Scott's memories in Olivia.
*The Gentlemen could be the baby Olivia is theoretically pregnant with (speculative of course).

*September is the name of the Observer because September is when the show first aired.
*The show first aired on September 9, 2008. On September 10th, 2008 the Large Hadron Collider on the Franco-Swiss had the first proton beams successfully circulated in the main ring for the first time (some speculate the LHC could cause the end of the world :o)

Now, here is my personal two cents on why the Observer was named Septmenber:
*There are a couple of strange birthdates given to us so far in the show:
Jacob Fisher was born on 7/7
David Robert Jones was born on 8/8
Kyle Richard Beltran was born on 10/10
We have no data on anyone born on 9/9 yet though, breaking the "Pattern" of birthdates revealed to us. Could The Observer have been born on 9/9 (September 9th) as well as the show airing on that date for the first time? It could just be a hint at how important the Observer is by naming him that for the one episode....but the date 9/9 (to me at least) will seem to have signifficant importance, considering the other strange birthdates :confused0006:

[dach]

ok fingeling if olivia is preggers how far along is she? i mean i think all this is happens in two months or so because every episode is set in winter. now i dont live in boston so i dont know the weather there but usually winter is 3 maybe four months long. i dont know im like walter i have too many theories in my head. now i think peter and olivia are related maybe even twins. ugh i dont want them too.

[Fringeling]

If Olivia was pregnant, she'd be approx 3-4 months prego. In a normal pregnancy, she'd most definitely know something was up by now ---- missed monthly cycles at the very least. She doesn't have to be showing necessarily, but it would be odd not to show a little.

Now this is all assuming she is pregnant normally, and with a human baby :confused0066:

I'm not totally sold on her being prego theory. I'm about 50/50 on it. There is a lot of evidence for it, and a lot against it imo

[dach]

ah ok i just dont see her being preggers. i mean not so early in the show. the shipper in me would rather her carrying peter's child if they are not related lol. maybe she will be pregnant in the future and that's what is being foreshawdowed.

[Mojo]

We have no data on anyone born on 9/9 yet though, breaking the "Pattern" of birth dates revealed to us. Could The Observer have been born on 9/9 (September 9th) as well as the show airing on that date for the first time? It could just be a hint at how important the Observer is by naming him that for the one episode....but the date 9/9 (to me at least) will seem to have significant importance, considering the other strange birth dates :confused0006:

I speculate in my post about the Observer, Putting the pieces together... (http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11799#post11799)(Recommend reading) that there must be a minimum of 9 dimensions and that the Observer is most likely a higher-dimensional being capable of time travel. 9/9 might be a manufactured birthday for the Observer's fake 20th century identity. I really can't believe that he is from our time period let alone our dimension of existence...perhaps in another dimension little hill really is where the gentleman lives.
On the other hand close observation of the teleportation scene reveals some key facts. The retrieval time is set for 12:30 which I assume has no value other than making sure Jone's is prepped for the trip. The Suit, drugs, and eye drops were purely for comforts sake;the drugs were used to calm his nerves for the trip.
The Real details of importance appear to be the Lotion and Postioning of Mr. Jones. Obviously there is some sort of UV Radiation involved in the process;additionally Mr. Jones takes a moment to make sure his shoulders are lined up evenly between the two walls of his Cell's corner. Which would lead me to believe there are some sort of Ley lines which connect little hill and that specific point in Germany(remember the map of Germany with lines drawn all over it). Also I assume the Molecular Recompression Process that the teleportation machine uses needs to be supplimented with a decompression chamber.
The question/keyword combo regarding Little Hill is really more complicated/layered than is readily apparent. The answer of Little Hill answers a much more important question...
Ultimately I don't think that Mr. Jones is the Gentleman, but rather that Little Hill happens to be some sort of Nexxus point. So essentially that question that Mr. Jones was actually asking was "Where is the Nexxus point?". The place where it will be possible for him to take advantage of unique energy fields, but also where the gentleman most likely resides on another plane of existence.
I submit that if the machine is capable of reaching any space at any time, than perhaps it is capable of hyper-dimensional travel/retrieval as well. Wouldn't that be something...
On a completely different note.. It certainly seems like the FBI is taking its time getting to Little Hill. Olivia left at the same time as the rest of the team and the bad guys had time to chase,abduct, and deliver her to the site with extra time to say a few quirky one liners. Before the black SUV's even approach Olivia she says shes 10 miles out..while Charlie communicates that he's 2 minutes away. In fact..the bad guys found her immeadiately after she gave Charlie her position! Then when they start chasing her she gets on the radio again and tells Charlie the situation and he takes a good minute to get back to her. And right before confirmation of the abuduction is given by the bad guys you hear Charlie finally come in on the radio asking her for her position. The conspiracy theorist in me says he wasn't after her well being...Since he didnt know she was out of the car yet maybe he was making sure jone's men knew where she was as to make escape impossible.
Meh, Happy Holidays everyone :tiphat:
-Rob

[Fringeling]

ok fingeling if olivia is preggers how far along is she? i mean i think all this is happens in two months or so because every episode is set in winter. now i dont live in boston so i dont know the weather there but usually winter is 3 maybe four months long.

That is one thing I forgot to address ---- the winter thing. I think the fact that it's snowing in the pilot is inconsistent with the supposed timeline the show is supposed to work within. Without having researched when the pilot was actually filmed, I'm assuming it was filmed in winter but set in a different season --- unless I am totally misinterpreting the timeline referred to in the actual episodes.


I speculate in my post about the Observer, Putting the pieces together... (http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11799#post11799)(Recommend reading) that there must be a minimum of 9 dimensions and that the Observer is most likely a higher-dimensional being capable of time travel. 9/9 might be a manufactured birthday for the Observer's fake 20th century identity ........

............ On the other hand close observation of the teleportation scene reveals some key facts. The retrieval time is set for 12:30 which I assume has no value other than making sure Jone's is prepped for the trip. The Suit, drugs, and eye drops were purely for comforts sake;the drugs were used to calm his nerves for the trip.
The Real details of importance appear to be the Lotion and Postioning of Mr. Jones. Obviously there is some sort of UV Radiation involved in the process;additionally Mr. Jones takes a moment to make sure his shoulders are lined up evenly between the two walls of his Cell's corner. Which would lead me to believe there are some sort of Ley lines which connect little hill and that specific point in Germany(remember the map of Germany with lines drawn all over it). Also I assume the Molecular Recompression Process that the teleportation machine uses needs to be supplimented with a decompression chamber ...........

............. So essentially that question that Mr. Jones was actually asking was "Where is the Nexxus point?". The place where it will be possible for him to take advantage of unique energy fields, but also where the gentleman most likely resides on another plane of existence.
I submit that if the machine is capable of reaching any space at any time, than perhaps it is capable of hyper-dimensional travel/retrieval as well. Wouldn't that be something........

........On a completely different note.. It certainly seems like the FBI is taking its time getting to Little Hill. Olivia left at the same time as the rest of the team and the bad guys had time to chase,abduct, and deliver her to the site with extra time to say a few quirky one liners........ The conspiracy theorist in me says he <Charlie> wasn't after her well being...Since he didnt know she was out of the car yet maybe he was making sure jone's men knew where she was as to make escape impossible.
Meh, Happy Holidays everyone :tiphat:
-Rob

* Wow Mojo-Rob, that's a lot to chew on! I like the idea of the name September hinting at a 9th dimension from which the Observer resides, etc. Without researching the basis behind the ideas in your other comment/thread <and at the risk of sounding nieve> ---- I'm wondering if it's possible the Observer was actually created in another dimension (the 9th?) I am not a fan so far of a large number of dimensions being the basis for part of the mythos of the show, but mostly that is because I haven't versed myself enough in superstring theory to formulate ideas incorporating them :shhh:! I want to delve deeper into the MD site (and glowing monkeys) over the next several days to look into more of the points you raise in your posts ------- there is a lot of juice there <in the sites and your posts> :greet004:!

* Concerning the teleportation scene ----- I'm assuming that you're assuming Jones was teleported classic TV style <recomposition of his molecular makeup upon arrival>? You point out some of the key components of the whole scenario are his use of lotion and positioning. As far as the positioning thing along a ley line goes, I'm having a hard time with that one. It's not that I don't think Fringe would be "above" delving into Ley lines ------- but what are the odds that a Ley line would go directly through that prison, and that part of the cell? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there were a specific/limited number of ley lines. We might not know of all of them, but they are not so common as to be everywhere, so to speak. And when Walter was talking about his "space-time continuum machine", he made no mention of Ley lines. He said that, in theory, the device could transport anyone from anywhere --- so I would assume this would be the case despite the presence or abscence of Ley lines. What do you think ?:confused0006: For me, one of the kickers to the teleport scene was Jones mention of a decompression chamber. He most likely went form an atmosphere of higher/lower pressure rapidly to one of opposite pressure ---------- like going into space ------- or at the very least high altitude. This would lead me to believe that his entire physical body did this, without being broken down and reconstituted at a molecular level.

* And yeah, Charlie is suspicious indeed. More and more I think Broyles and Scott and Jones were working together, and Loeb is a pawn of Jones/Broyles unbeknownst to himself. It wouldn't surprise me if Charlie was either working with Loeb (without knowing of Broyles position) or directly with Broyles and just playing dumb "around the office".

Your posts are intriguing and challenging Mojo! Thanks for taking the time to write them :happy15::happy15::happy15:! I definitley want to examine your other one in more detail. Happy Holidays to you as well!

[Mojo]

Yea I made a couple faulty assumptions. Don't worry I'll make up for it! The coordinates for teleportation were simply the corner of the cell...Rapid atmospheric changes would result in the need for decompression. Ley lines...what was I thinking? If you have free time I recommend reading up on the HAARP Project: HaarpBook (http://www.scribd.com/doc/533366/Angels-Dont-Play-This-HAARP-Advances-in-Tesla-Technology-Manning-Begich). Essentially the U.S. government has been doing experiments in the Ionosphere for the better part of a century. There are all sorts of things they can influence including weather, communications, geographical phenomenon, and electricity. The beginning of the book(first 18 pages or so) has some details on the history of ionospheric research. Energy shot through the ionosphere can travel anywhere on the planet, which is why this machine(coupled with a super computer) can be used to communicate with submarines under the ocean.
Originally Posted by Fringeling

This would lead me to believe that his entire physical body did this, without being broken down and reconstituted at a molecular level.I just cant see Jone's body remaining in any sort of organic form throughout the process. What I saw in "Safe" reminded me of how the HAARP project sends vast amounts of energy upwards. I would have to assume that there is a transformation of some sort and that the reconstitution process coupled with Rapid atmospheric changes create a need for decompression. Of course according to Zeno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes) ,motion is just an illusion;)

[D-Roc]

Duplicate thread merged.

[Odd Tree]

I hope I can summarize thepopular main theories thus far as to these questions:

*Little Hill could mean the actual place they transported Jones to and nothing more
*Little Hill could refer dually to Olivia's last name "Dunham" which means "Little Hill" in Old English I believe.
*Little Hill could refer also to a pregnancy "bump" --- if Olivia is pregnant
*The Gentlemen could be John Scott's memories in Olivia.
*The Gentlemen could be the baby Olivia is theoretically pregnant with (speculative of course).

*September is the name of the Observer because September is when the show first aired.
*The show first aired on September 9, 2008. On September 10th, 2008 the Large Hadron Collider on the Franco-Swiss had the first proton beams successfully circulated in the main ring for the first time (some speculate the LHC could cause the end of the world :o)

Now, here is my personal two cents on why the Observer was named Septmenber:
*There are a couple of strange birthdates given to us so far in the show:
Jacob Fisher was born on 7/7
David Robert Jones was born on 8/8
Kyle Richard Beltran was born on 10/10
We have no data on anyone born on 9/9 yet though, breaking the "Pattern" of birthdates revealed to us. Could The Observer have been born on 9/9 (September 9th) as well as the show airing on that date for the first time? It could just be a hint at how important the Observer is by naming him that for the one episode....but the date 9/9 (to me at least) will seem to have signifficant importance, considering the other strange birthdates :confused0006:

What years were they born Belltran was 10/10/99 right? What if Fisher was 7/7/66 and Jones was 8/8/77?

[BrassOrchid]

What years were they born Belltran was 10/10/99 right? What if Fisher was 7/7/66 and Jones was 8/8/77?


So that would make the Observer's birthday 9/9/88, right? That would be very cool! :observer:


(And HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!)

:elmodance2::greet010::supersmilie::Cheers2::drunk burp::HappyNewYear:

[JonyRules]

There seems to be some kind of pattern with places in fringe...i found this on google earth...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=109499865241288842707.00045d29a2e563d6ecbec

Just take a look and tell me what you think about it.

(Sorry for double posting but i don't know how to erase this one)

[Fringified]

there seems to be some kind of pattern with places in fringe...i found this in google earth...i'm not the author.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=109499865241288842707.00045d29a2e563d6ecbec

just take a look

Hm, but why are those in Iowa instead of Massachusetts?

[Fringeling]

There seems to be some kind of pattern with places in fringe...i found this on google earth...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=109499865241288842707.00045d29a2e563d6ecbec

Just take a look and tell me what you think about it.

(Sorry for double posting but i don't know how to erase this one)
What is the nature of the origin of the coordinates? Are they all from various episodes, or certain ones in particular?:confused0006:

[trippingonclouds]

What is the nature of the origin of the coordinates? Are they all from various episodes, or certain ones in particular?:confused0006:

They're from the mini-ARG that they did before Fringe started...the four places make a rectangle that you can put a Golden Spiral in. :D Iowa is where they said some fringe-science experiments took place in the ARG. I don't see how it ties in with the show just yet though...

[Noony]

Just posted this elsewhere...

I think Little Hill is significant because Jones can't teleport just anywhere. He can only TRADE places with one of his alters. So he must find the location of one of his alters (in one universe, Jones lives in Little Hill) so that he can switch to that location. The result in the other universe is that Alter Jones winds up in the exact same location Jones left, which would be the prison. But Alter Jones stays in his universe, as does our Jones.

They trade places, but within their own universe.

[Omniscient_Jay]

I think Little Hill is significant because Jones can't teleport just anywhere. He can only TRADE places with one of his alters. So he must find the location of one of his alters (in one universe, Jones lives in Little Hill) so that he can switch to that location. The result in the other universe is that Alter Jones winds up in the exact same location Jones left, which would be the prison. But Alter Jones stays in his universe, as does our Jones.

They trade places, but within their own universe. That's an awesome idea.

Love it. :happy15:

[K9SAR]

Little Hill is a fictitious location. My wife grew up in Westford, and i grew up in the town to the East, Chelmsford. At first we were psyched when they mentioned Westford, hoping we could figure out where this place was, but none of what they showed in the show was Westford. Then they said the location was "right off RT3". In order to get to Westford from RT3, you have to go through either Tyngsborough or Chelmsford. Also, Olivia made some mention on the phone to someone about going "east" on RT3 (especially when Liv was standing in front of the map of Massachusetts on the computer screen.) RT3 is a North/South highway. :rolleye0014:

Writers need to do a little research.


Incorrect, well... partially. Route 3 does not run East to west, correct, it runs North and South. Westford is located off route 495, but no one said in any episode of fringe that Westford was located on route 3, only that Olivia's backup was on route 3 (and Olivia was on Bridge st, 3 miles northwest of Westford). The smart path from the federal building is 93 north to 95 south to 3 north to 495 south. 4 miles out from Westford would put you on route 3. the computer map actually shows route 495 (note the northeast heading of the highway and the degree of the curve).

But..... thats not really what we came here to find out, right?

There is in fact a Little Hill..... sort of.....

It is actually called "Littles Hill" and is at the edge of "Littles Hill Field" (which is the most poison ivy contaminated area I have ever come across). I also do not believe it is located in Westford, at least the field and the trailhead for the hill are not. I believe it was in a surrounding town, particularlly Littleton seems to ring a bell. Perhaps the authors did not think "Littles Hill in Littleton" would sound believable. If it does border the town of Westford, it is possible that part of the area is actually in Westford. What I can say is true is that, as the name "Hill" may imply, it was not an air field at any time. This is funny to any pilots from this are because the land is generally so flat that there was an airfield everywhere around here. If memory serves, it had once been some type of religious location or the location of a religious building.

I know the area because I was part of a search team that successfully located a missing child on that hill. I still have the map in my collection of trail maps for recreation areas in Massachusetts. If I remember correctly, it was a DCR map so if one was so inclined they could look up the area on the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and Recreation website. If I get bored one day maybe I will scan and post the map.

Happy hunting!!!!

[K9SAR]

There was also a "Little's Hill" alongside route 3 in Bedford. This is less than 3 miles from route 95. It is possible that you could see the hill from route 95, its hard to say for sure right now.

There is also a "Littles Hill" in Georgetown. This is the next town North of Andover, which does have an airport.