What is Happening to Jones

[Rocky]

I saw "reality" and some other words flash across the screen when Walter was talking about what happens if you go through the time travel/teleportation decive. I am wondering if Jones may be turning into a kind of a Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.



Doctor Manhattan
After an accident as a scientist, Jon Osterman was transformed into something non-human, and the only character in Watchmen with superhuman powers (except for possibly those characters whose psychic ability is alluded to). Throughout the series, he becomes increasingly detached from humanity as a whole. As the story progresses, he disavows any interest in human affairs and rejects the validity of any notion of morality. For example he gradually abandons clotheing. His ability to see the world outside of time leads him to embrace determinism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism). Doctor Manhattan is identified as something of a God-figure as Watchmen progresses; after dying and resurrecting himself, he gains near omniscient knowledge and almost omnipotent powers, and in his final scene walks on water and leaves to create human life somewhere else. For all his god-like power, he is as flawed and human as the rest, having difficulties with relationships. He personifies intellect over emotion. His existence has, to no small extent, shaped the entire history and society of the world since he was brought into existence. Because of his aloofness and somewhat nihilist philosophy, he is vilified by several characters throughout Watchmen.
The character of Doctor Manhattan is primarily inspired by Captain Atom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Atom) and his alias is named after the Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project)
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He can now control various things because he is not quite in our reality. That seems like the only way he could have blasted through the hospital walls.

[Wondermind]

Hmm, interesting analogy and comparison. I was wondering something along those same lines. If the beings from the alternate universes have a timeline slightly ahead of ours then it would stand to reason that they may have evolved into whatever the next step of evolution is. This of course is dependant upon what the actual timeline comparison is. Are they 20 years ahead of us or 200 years? I guess it depends on who is doing the comparing. Perhaps as was stated in the show, when you dematerialize and reconstruct a human body at the molecular level, it creates unadvertised side-effects. And Walter stated that a being does not die but undergoes something unthinkable. I do believe, as you stated, that perhaps Mr. Jones has taken on some of the principle characteristics of the beings in the alternate realm. Who knows? It will be interesting to see what he has become. The question will then be….will Mr. Jones abandon his original quest or will he now behave as a man on a personal mission who is hungry for power and domination (based on his new found super powers) regardless of which side wins?

Side Note: Being a comic book collector of both DC and Marvel since childhood, I can’t wait for the movie Watchman to come out. :happy15:

[Guiberu]

I think it's fairly obvious that Mr Jones is infact now the Incredible Hulk...

[MystikPeril]

I think it's fairly obvious that Mr Jones is infact now the Incredible Hulk...

:haha: <--- me thinking about Jones turning large, green, and blasting through the hospital's wall (Please don't get the wrong idea, I'm not laughing at you, just the thought of Jones looking like Hulk)

I think he turned into whatever that thing was that they showed in the comics. It was definitely "large and in-charge" or at least seemed to be. We definitely know that whatever the heck happened to Jones made him a LOT stronger. But would the Incredible Hulk have taken the time to write "You passed" on the wall before breaking out of the hospital? :confused0006:

[Guiberu]

I think he turned into whatever that thing was that they showed in the comics. It was definitely "large and in-charge" or at least seemed to be. We definitely know that whatever the heck happened to Jones made him a LOT stronger. But would the Incredible Hulk have taken the time to write "You passed" on the wall before breaking out of the hospital? :confused0006:

I haven't seen the comics so can't comment - can you post a pic of said creature?

Maybe Jones started off by writing "Hulk Smash!" on the wall but decided it was rather cliche?

Perhaps it's a refined version of the creature seen on the plane last week? (or was it the week before?).

I don't buy the whole theory that he was teleported out again due to the differing amounts of damage caused to Prison wall and then the Hospital wall - but at the same time perhaps being teleported again reverses the problems caused by the initial jump. We may end up seeing Jones sitting in his prison cell in Germany after the break - completing his mission of "recruiting" Olivia...

[MystikPeril]

I haven't seen the comics so can't comment - can you post a pic of said creature?

Maybe Jones started off by writing "Hulk Smash!" on the wall but decided it was rather cliche?

Perhaps it's a refined version of the creature seen on the plane last week? (or was it the week before?).

I don't buy the whole theory that he was teleported out again due to the differing amounts of damage caused to Prison wall and then the Hospital wall - but at the same time perhaps being teleported again reverses the problems caused by the initial jump. We may end up seeing Jones sitting in his prison cell in Germany after the break - completing his mission of "recruiting" Olivia...

I would post a pic in this thread from the comic, but I know some people are purposely avoiding the comic, so I will just give you the link (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1076&page=2) to the thread that contains the comic I'm talking about and you can make your own assessment. :)

I agree with your thoughts on him NOT teleporting again though. I don't think he did, and even IF he would have, there wouldn't have been a gaping hole in the wall. If that was something that went along with teleportation there would have been a gaping hole in the wall of the German prison and there wasn't.

[Rocky]

Hopefully whatever Jones has become, Walter knows how to fight "it".

[MystikPeril]

Hopefully whatever Jones has become, Walter knows how to fight "it".

Maybe he doesn't and that's exactly why he locked it away? :confused0006:

[Ahzrei]

I don't think he Hulked out, though that is certainly the first line of thought I went down.

It's a little too obvious that way. I think it's possible he has the abilities he wants Olivia to develop and Telekenesis'd (new word yay) his way out.

Or perhaps he used explosives, which is the 'rational' explanation. I honestly don't think we have enough evidence to assume anything. I'm expecting to be thrown through some loops with this show, and I'll be extremely disappointed if the obvious answer is always right.


My favorite theory is the explosives. Using them would be clever on his part, forcing the team down the "holy **** he's superman" hole, making them more apprehensive of him than they need to be. I'm really not sure he doesn't have superpowers now... but I don't think he does.

[gilgamesh]

Does Walter knows what happens when you teletransport because he have seen It, meaning he used the teletransportation device before locking It, or He knows the theory of what happens???

If the teletransportation device was used before, who and why used It?

He was building It to find the man Who could cure his son illness, but He said that in the end He didn't need help because Peter cured himself, don't know how

[ntou45]

gilg, it's all explained in the comics ;-)

[gilgamesh]

gilg, it's all explained in the comics ;-)

do you mean Watchmen comics?

[Rocky]

I don't think he Hulked out, though that is certainly the first line of thought I went down.

It's a little too obvious that way. I think it's possible he has the abilities he wants Olivia to develop and Telekenesis'd (new word yay) his way out.

Or perhaps he used explosives, which is the 'rational' explanation. I honestly don't think we have enough evidence to assume anything. I'm expecting to be thrown through some loops with this show, and I'll be extremely disappointed if the obvious answer is always right.


My favorite theory is the explosives. Using them would be clever on his part, forcing the team down the "holy **** he's superman" hole, making them more apprehensive of him than they need to be. I'm really not sure he doesn't have superpowers now... but I don't think he does.
It seems like whatever took out the wall was very concentrated. I don't think explosives could be that precise.

[ntou45]

do you mean Watchmen comics?
yes, because this is a watchmen forum and this topic is about the mr. jones from watchmen.

use some common sense...

[Ahzrei]

It seems like whatever took out the wall was very concentrated. I don't think explosives could be that precise.

You can concentrate an explosion, it just takes a little engineering to direct a blast. Jones certainly has the resources, and it's a little more logical than the Hulk-theory. Though in the context of the show, I believe that's possible too. I just don't think so.

[MissKate]

Rocky:

I initially thought this as well, that what the teleportation device does to you is to Dr. Manhattan-ize you. Having Watchmen promos within the show may have helped this idea along, the whole idea of being taken apart atom by atom and then put back together.

And we have to wait until April to see if Jones is any or all of the following: bald, green, muscled, blue, eschewing clothing, losing sense of taste, telepathic, or William Bell (the last of which I don't subscribe to, btw).

This does get me started however on this idea: there are many many ways to remove someone from prison. The easiest way, and the way that would make the most sense for everyone involved, would be escape during transfer while DRJ was being extradited to another country.

But because this specific way was chosen--and was it convenient that the kid figured out the equation so that the phasing device worked so that the teleportation device could be easily stolen or would Loeb & Co. have gone in anyway to steal it from those banks at that time? I wonder--there has to be a reason (other than putting the plot forward, of course) for this specific means of extraction for DRJ.

Which means that either DRJ wanted it to happen in this manner, or there was a timing issue involved, or both. Or it could be really late and I could just be rambling about things that others (Rocky, Fringeling, Fringeified, Cathy) are more eloquent about at the mo'.

[233610987]

In order to understand what happened to Jones, we need to ask ourselves a few questions:

1) Jones said that the side affects of the teleporter were "Unadvertised" meaning he did not know of the side affects in advance?

I think he did not know about the side affects and will remain loyal to ZFT even after whatever has happened to him

2) What was the real mission for which Jones is retrieved from the prison? After coming out of the compression chamber he asks one of the helpers if the teleporter and his lab were ready? What did he want to do with the teleporter in his lab?

I dont think that Mr. Jones was retrieved from the prison only to 'recruit' Olivia. The ZFT side went through enormous hassle to retrieve him and hence there is something more he was upto but his current transformation has surely put those plans into a twist.
If they only wanted to peek into the other parallel using the teleporter than why retrieve Jones? Any other member of the army could have done that. Thus I believe that Jones is a vital player for the ZFT side but we dont know what his distinguishing 'ability' was before he was transformed.

Just a few random thoughts

[D-Roc]

2) What was the real mission for which Jones is retrieved from the prison? After coming out of the compression chamber he asks one of the helpers if the teleporter and his lab were ready? What did he want to do with the teleporter in his lab?
I thought he asked for the "sealant" (the virus), which was one of the things that he presumably requested (off-screen) via Kohl when he was still in Germany.:confused0006:


I dont think that Mr. Jones was retrieved from the prison only to 'recruit' Olivia. The ZFT side went through enormous hassle to retrieve him and hence there is something more he was upto but his current transformation has surely put those plans into a twist.
If they only wanted to peek into the other parallel using the teleporter than why retrieve Jones? Any other member of the army could have done that. Thus I believe that Jones is a vital player for the ZFT side but we dont know what his distinguishing 'ability' was before he was transformed.

Just a few random thoughtsYeah, he definitely seems like a part of "the army", as described by Mitch. Olivia is important to them, but there's a grander objective which she might be able to help with. But she's not to be all and end all, at least Mitch doesn't think so.

[Cathy904]

But in "The Ability" Walter said teleportation would require weeks in a decompression chamber after teleporting to survive, and (paraphrased), based on what would happen next, the subject would wish he hadn't survived.

[LoveJones]

Does Walter knows what happens when you teletransport because he have seen It, meaning he used the teletransportation device before locking It, or He knows the theory of what happens???

If the teletransportation device was used before, who and why used It?

He was building It to find the man Who could cure his son illness, but He said that in the end He didn't need help because Peter cured himself, don't know how

Hi there, newbie here.

I have seen enough clues to point to the fact that there was nobody who could cure Peter so Walter did the next best thing when he realised this. He used the device to bring Peter back from either a parallel universe or from a time before he was sick.

“How far would you go for someone you love?”

[empty_encounters]

In the previews for the finale, I saw a deformed guy. I'm sure you all religiously watch the previews too so tell me, Jones maybe?

[Seeker]

I think it was him in the bandages. Looks like his face was melted or something. Screen shot?

[empty_encounters]

I would just like to have a video of that promo.

[Rocky]

So is he mutating or something?

He said he was dying but he at the same time seemed to be turning immortal or something. I am not sure where all of the bandages and the eye changing stuff fits into this. I will have to think about this overnight...:confused0006:

[BrassOrchid]

he said the teleportation was killing him, but in the meantime it was turning him into something "quite special" and that Olivia's bullets passed right through him. Sounded to me like phase shifting.

[Mojo]

It appears as though his molecular structure was "speeding up" so to speak...which could have caused him to "phase", allowing physical objects to pass right through him.

Of course no one can survive having half of their body left in another universe. I feel bad for the vacationing family that goes out for a sun-tan at Reiden Lake and finds half of a transmogrified corpse. That's worse than a vacation in Branson :P

Edit:
Hah Brass, I was typing "phase" as you were posting, I guess were right!

[BrassOrchid]

It appears as though his molecular structure was "speeding up" so to speak...which could have caused him to "phase", allowing physical objects to pass right through him.

Of course no one can survive having half of their body left in another universe. I feel bad for the vacationing family that goes out for a sun-tan at Reiden Lake and finds half of a transmogrified corpse. That's worse than a vacation in Branson :P

Edit:
Hah Brass, I was typing "phase" as you were posting, I guess were right!


I knew all those years watching Star Trek would be good for something!

[The Black Ghost]

It appears as though his molecular structure was "speeding up" so to speak...which could have caused him to "phase", allowing physical objects to pass right through him.


He was intereacting quite well with that device...and the ground.

[Mojo]

He was intereacting quite well with that device...and the ground.

Unfortunately one of the drawbacks of this being a fictional Tv-show...I've seen plenty of sci-fi shows in the past where people are supposedly "Phasing" and I had the exact same thoughts as you. I think it's supposed to be one of those events where you suspend your literal knowledge of science and enjoy the entertainment value of what is being presented.

Perhaps the high velocity bullet would interact differently with a "phasing" individual than simply pressing a button on an interface...maybe his molecular structure wasn't sped up at all, I have no idea! Only a high-density thermal scan will tell us :reader: