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D-Roc
07-20-2008, 02:00 PM
I've been following the Fringe viral fairly closely over these past few months, trying to establish the premise behind the cryptic visuals that we've been given in order to connect them back into the actual Fringe story.

On thing which has struck me is that some of the viral images appear to be hybrids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_%28biology%29):



In biology, hybrid has two meanings.[1] The first meaning is the result of interbreeding between two animals or plants of different taxa. Hybrids between different species within the same genus are sometimes known as interspecific hybrids or crosses. Hybrids between different sub-species within a species are known as intra-specific hybrids. Hybrids between different genera are sometimes known as intergeneric hybrids. Extremely rare interfamilial hybrids have been known to occur (such as the guineafowl hybrids). The second type of hybrid consists of crosses between populations, breeds or cultivars within a single species. This second meaning is often used in plant and animal breeding. In plant and animal breeding, hybrids are commonly produced and selected because they have desirable characteristics not found or inconsistently present in the parent individuals or populations. This rearranging of the genetic material between populations or races is often called hybridization.

Specifically we have seen what can almost be described as 'cross breeding' or inter/intra-specific hybridisation. Take the apple with two embryos at the core, or the sunflower with a dragonfly wing. Both of these images are aspects of nature which have seemingly been fused (or hybridised) with another form of nature (or 'life'):

Hybrids??
http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/images/img/f1.jpg

http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/images/img/afringe_flower.JPG



So who or what is behind this hybridising? I have a few ideas (which will need to be fleshed out):

Mankind intentionally trying to play God and mutating nature with the intent to re-shape the world as s/he (or they) see fit.
The accidental and unintentional consequence of scientific and technological progress
Natures evolution. Perhaps the result of nature protecting itself and re-procreating the earth with stronger (mutated) offspring which best-fits the environmental pressures of the modern-age.
A parallel 'Universe' (if you will) suddenly coming into vision with our world. Perhaps the result of the conscious-awakening of mankind, which begins with observations of certain structures or "patterns" which didn't appear to exist before.
Aliens (lets not go there for now..)
I should also point out that Ajax' connection between the butterfly image and the 'Seed of life' symbol seems to give the hybridisation angle some credence. See this thread (http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=874#post874) for more.

I will update this theory and flesh it out over time, for now I just wanted to lay down some groundwork on what I 'think' 'could' be going on in Fringe (i know the show hasn't started yet..but the viral has:p). Please feel free to add any thoughts or challenge/support the existing thoughts that I have layed down.

BLBass
07-21-2008, 08:08 AM
This second meaning is often used in plant and animal breeding. In plant and animal breeding, hybrids are commonly produced and selected because they have desirable characteristics not found or inconsistently present in the parent individuals or populations. This rearranging of the genetic material between populations or races is often called hybridization.

This really caught my attention, becuase this is somehtign that happens now on an every day basis. Cross breeding certain typs of corn, to make corn the best tasting, fastest growing product it can be. one of hundreds of examples in the food industry alone. Not to mention all these stupid little designer dogs like Labradoodles or whatever those are all hybrids too, crossbreeds of 2 seperate species coming together to make an $8000 ankle biter.

This like some other things I am reading go back to what we were saying with "how far is too far?" Not only do I think it's going to be a question asked, I think it will become a major tone of the series. Man kind has pushed it's limits and the limits of mother nature, creating genetically perfect species by altering DNA sequences and the like(I'm no scientist). Creating a complex pattern in the universe, and also a complexpattern of events that have spiraled out of control because of our meddling.

A little rough, but it gets the point across.

D-Roc
07-21-2008, 04:37 PM
This really caught my attention, becuase this is somehtign that happens now on an every day basis. Cross breeding certain typs of corn, to make corn the best tasting, fastest growing product it can be. one of hundreds of examples in the food industry alone. Not to mention all these stupid little designer dogs like Labradoodles or whatever those are all hybrids too, crossbreeds of 2 seperate species coming together to make an $8000 ankle biter.
Those are great examples! I guess hybridisation is all around us and is almost a way of forcing natural selection - getting the best traits through controlled reproduction.


This like some other things I am reading go back to what we were saying with "how far is too far?" Not only do I think it's going to be a question asked, I think it will become a major tone of the series. Man kind has pushed it's limits and the limits of mother nature, creating genetically perfect species by altering DNA sequences and the like(I'm no scientist). Creating a complex pattern in the universe, and also a complexpattern of events that have spiraled out of control because of our meddling.

A little rough, but it gets the point across.
I agree - the question of whether boundaries the be pushed to the very Fringe (pardon the terrible pun) seems to be a very possible one.

I like your notion of there not only being a "pattern"..but also a "pattern of events". That's very interesting because some people believe that specific events will need to happen for specific outcomes to bear fruit - "Chain of events" type of thing.

Chaos Lord
09-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Read my response to six fingers please.

Research Anunaki and Nephilim they are the hybrid children of Biblical fallen angels and humans.

If you read more into this type of stuff you will find that Angels rather fallen or in Gods grace may be...... Aliens.....The Bible reads like a Star Wars Episode.....

MD Miller
09-17-2008, 10:47 AM
A little off topic but, did anyone else notice the Braille at the bottom of the Flower picture? I translated it the way it was broken up and got this:

E H AC BA CD

Normally I would say that means nothing but when you put the number of each letter you get this...

5 8 13 21 34

More of the fibonacci sequence. Just thought I'd point that out.

AlexisWilson01
09-17-2008, 11:47 AM
This like some other things I am reading go back to what we were saying with "how far is too far?" Not only do I think it's going to be a question asked, I think it will become a major tone of the series.
Seems you are right on this one. Walter said int he last epidoe (2) that they ran into the problem of "what is their domain and what is God's" while they were doing their experiments.

PS> I love you Labradoodle comment!

BLBass
09-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Haha thanks, and yeah he did bring that up didn't he? I didn't even think about it, nice one.

D-Roc
09-23-2008, 04:02 PM
Read my response to six fingers please.

Research Anunaki and Nephilim they are the hybrid children of Biblical fallen angels and humans.

If you read more into this type of stuff you will find that Angels rather fallen or in Gods grace may be...... Aliens.....The Bible reads like a Star Wars Episode.....
The more I think about it, the more I believe we'll see hybrids implimented in the show at some point. I think they're frightened to touch the 'alien' angle, as it carries too many X-Files connotactions, but the 'angel' thing might work..if they can find a viable fringe science to faciliate it or make it plausible. I guess that's one of the contraints of the show..they have to keep it grounded to an extent. But then who says angels can't exist?..

D-Roc
10-26-2008, 02:54 PM
Interesting bit of digging up by Charlie Francis, who revealed that INtREPUS did controversial R&D in the field of human-animal hybridization..

D-Roc
10-28-2009, 06:25 PM
I guess we can confirm hybridisation and parallel universe theory what with the shapeshifters being designed for that specific purpose.

I wonder if any of the other suggestions below will still come into play?

I've been following the Fringe viral fairly closely over these past few months, trying to establish the premise behind the cryptic visuals that we've been given in order to connect them back into the actual Fringe story.

On thing which has struck me is that some of the viral images appear to be hybrids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_%28biology%29):



Specifically we have seen what can almost be described as 'cross breeding' or inter/intra-specific hybridisation. Take the apple with two embryos at the core, or the sunflower with a dragonfly wing. Both of these images are aspects of nature which have seemingly been fused (or hybridised) with another form of nature (or 'life'):

Hybrids??
http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/images/img/f1.jpg

http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/images/img/afringe_flower.JPG



So who or what is behind this hybridising? I have a few ideas (which will need to be fleshed out):

Mankind intentionally trying to play God and mutating nature with the intent to re-shape the world as s/he (or they) see fit.
The accidental and unintentional consequence of scientific and technological progress
Natures evolution. Perhaps the result of nature protecting itself and re-procreating the earth with stronger (mutated) offspring which best-fits the environmental pressures of the modern-age.
A parallel 'Universe' (if you will) suddenly coming into vision with our world. Perhaps the result of the conscious-awakening of mankind, which begins with observations of certain structures or "patterns" which didn't appear to exist before.
Aliens (lets not go there for now..)

I should also point out that Ajax' connection between the butterfly image and the 'Seed of life' symbol seems to give the hybridisation angle some credence. See this thread (http://www.fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=874#post874) for more.

I will update this theory and flesh it out over time, for now I just wanted to lay down some groundwork on what I 'think' 'could' be going on in Fringe (i know the show hasn't started yet..but the viral has:p). Please feel free to add any thoughts or challenge/support the existing thoughts that I have layed down.


Interesting bit of digging up by Charlie Francis, who revealed that INtREPUS did controversial R&D in the field of human-animal hybridization..

Do we suppose the above was foreshadowing from the producers? Personally I doubt it, but it would be nice to think they had Charlie's storyline planned that far ahead.