Highlights and Observations

[Citizen]

So we've all just finished watching this wonderful episode, discussing it live here on the forum (I wish I could have done that more), and I think there should be a thread for highlights detected on initial impact.

Father-son scenes: When Peter tells Walter that he built the audio device for him. I thought this was a very good scene. Their relationship has developed a lot throughout the season and it's great to finally see them bond like they did in this episode. Also worthy of a mention is the restaurant scene at the end where Peter showed concern for Walter.

Harris revealed: This was something I never expected. Harris seemed to be a by-the-book agent who would serve as an annoying obstacle to the main characters and then eventually have to sacrifice himself to help them, but they made him a mole instead, which is just as good. Does him working for ZFT give more weight to him investigating Fringe Division? Did he ever give them a head-start when Olivia was about to raid a building? There's a lot to think about here.

Observer scene: What can I say? We all saw this in the preview and it was done perfectly. Everything is all set for what's bound to be a great season finale.

[Mojo]

Did he ever give them a head-start when Olivia was about to raid a building? There's a lot to think about here.

Yeup most definitely. After Olivia escaped from the warehouse where she was spinally injected it seemed that Harris was manipulating multiple facets of the investigation and it wouldn't surprise me if he was the one that got the place cleaned up so quickly (via others, obviously he wasn't there himself with a mop bucket and gloves...although that might make a good photoshop inspirational poster).

[BrassOrchid]

So we've all just finished watching this wonderful episode, discussing it live here on the forum (I wish I could have done that more), and I think there should be a thread for highlights detected on initial impact.

Father-son scenes: When Peter tells Walter that he built the audio device for him. I thought this was a very good scene. Their relationship has developed a lot throughout the season and it's great to finally see them bond like they did in this episode. Also worthy of a mention is the restaurant scene at the end where Peter showed concern for Walter.

Harris revealed: This was something I never expected. Harris seemed to be a by-the-book agent who would serve as an annoying obstacle to the main characters and then eventually have to sacrifice himself to help them, but they made him a mole instead, which is just as good. Does him working for ZFT give more weight to him investigating Fringe Division? Did he ever give them a head-start when Olivia was about to raid a building? There's a lot to think about here.

Observer scene: What can I say? We all saw this in the preview and it was done perfectly. Everything is all set for what's bound to be a great season finale.

I would second all of those, and add Nina coming to see Broyles. I felt just like the people turning their heads as she passed with that "Huh?" look on their faces. :D And then when she showed up at his house with the folder full of photos of September! Awesome! So...what happened the last time he was seen with such frequency, do you think?"

[Citizen]

Great thinking. That actually makes a lot of sense now.

[Foamybrew]

Hehe, well the first thought that comes to mind was Peter's project, the thing that has been spoken about with great mystery on these very forums... epic! All kidding aside, that was an emotionally moving scene. Walter and Peter have come such a long way since the first episode, if only life were like a tv show...

Finally we get our first glimpse of an alternate universe. So many theories and people converge on this simple topic it's insane. The whole, who's working for who debacle is starting to lose some of its meaning in my opinion. Walter's description of how the timeline isn't linear made me think, since the timeline can split at any point based on the decisions of any individual, wouldn't that make the timeline massively dynamic? I think I'm on to something...

Oh boy, was I suprised about Harris. I mean, I know he was far from a nice guy, but really, I didn't figure he was all that significant. Oh well, I won't miss him...

All in all, plenty of answers, plenty of questions, in other words a perfect episode!

[revgrant]

Walter seems genuinely to struggle with memory issues. But when the Observer shows up at the lab at the episode's conclusion and announces to Walter, who is alone, 'it is time,' Walter seems wistful and regretful, but not surprised nor troubled, and responds by getting his coat and leaving with the Observer. So Walter has not revealed things he already knows/remembers? Earlier episode with the 'baby Observer' would have been a good time to reveal some knowledge. "it is time" also seems to indicate that Walter knows more about coming events for which the children had been prepared? Anyway, in promo photos for next week's episode we see Walter talking with Peter, so wherever the Observer is taking Walter, it isn't for good, or a kidnapping/coercive type event.

[Matthew]

Walter seems genuinely to struggle with memory issues. But when the Observer shows up at the lab at the episode's conclusion and announces to Walter, who is alone, 'it is time,' Walter seems wistful and regretful, but not surprised nor troubled, and responds by getting his coat and leaving with the Observer. So Walter has not revealed things he already knows/remembers? Earlier episode with the 'baby Observer' would have been a good time to reveal some knowledge. "it is time" also seems to indicate that Walter knows more about coming events for which the children had been prepared? Anyway, in promo photos for next week's episode we see Walter talking with Peter, so wherever the Observer is taking Walter, it isn't for good, or a kidnapping/coercive type event.I genuinely think that Walter doesn't remember what is coming, but he knows that something is coming. Like he told Olivia they were training the children because something terrible was coming. When he found the Chapter of Ethics and the Observer arrived he was reading about how children were the future and must be protected. If Bell wrote the ZFT it doesn't seem like he would then turn around and conduct experiments on children. Walter knows more than he lets others believe, but he still doesn't know it all. You can imagine how frustrating that must be for him -- to have holes in your memory. Holes that are crucial to helping a hurt Olivia or saving countless lives.

[Za Lords Lt.]

*snip*

Oh boy, was I suprised about Harris. I mean, I know he was far from a nice guy, but really, I didn't figure he was all that significant. Oh well, I won't miss him...

*snip*

Oh boy, tell me about it! I was, like, "whaaaaaaaaaaaat, oh snap!" when he picked up the phone.

And when he went the way of the bacon Mom and I started cheering cuz we'd been hoping he'd be blown up. :party0011:

[Fringeling]

Oh boy, tell me about it! I was, like, "whaaaaaaaaaaaat, oh snap!" when he picked up the phone.

And when he went the way of the bacon Mom and I started cheering cuz we'd been hoping he'd be blown up. :party0011:
I totally LUVED the way Olivia reacted after she saw Harris go all Final Destination. She was almost smiling as she was telling the sister "It's okay, everything is okay ..." She had ZERO problem with his demise :haha:

I wonder what a burning doosh smells like anyway ? :confused0066:

[Za Lords Lt.]

I totally LUVED the way Olivia reacted after she saw Harris go all Final Destination. She was almost smiling as she was telling the sister "It's okay, everything is okay ..." She had ZERO problem with his demise :haha:

I wonder what a burning doosh smells like anyway ? :confused0066:

Really, really satisfying.

[AdamNJ77]

My DVR cut the show a little short (Stupid American Idol)...Did anything happen after Nina got on the elevator at the end? I got to the part where she walked into the building and passed the desk and walked into the elevator, and as soon as she was in the program cut off. Any information would be appreciated. Or maybe it ended right there I dunno...THANKS :)

[Veetwo]

The thing I remembered most was when Nina Sharp said to Boyles that he knew what happened the last time that the Observer appeared very frequently.
:x

[dcfc]

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2lqel4&s=5

[Draivn]

And when he went the way of the bacon Mom and I started cheering cuz we'd been hoping he'd be blown up. :party0011:

As did I. When Olivia was telling her to focus, I was thinking "burn that jerk". Then a very hearty "YES!" which woke everyone in the house.

[nomadtw]

it was revealed that the self immolation was a result of cortexephan activation, which means that we now have one more soldier than the other universe. which leads me to wonder, also if the process is so volatile, and the chance of activation failure is so high, why were there only a few dozen kids put on cortexephan?

seems like quite a small army imo. . . .

[zadok]

Walter seems genuinely to struggle with memory issues. But when the Observer shows up at the lab at the episode's conclusion and announces to Walter, who is alone, 'it is time,' Walter seems wistful and regretful, but not surprised nor troubled, and responds by getting his coat and leaving with the Observer. So Walter has not revealed things he already knows/remembers?

Remember he typed "prophecy" to demonstrate the "y"?

[BrassOrchid]

My DVR cut the show a little short (Stupid American Idol)...Did anything happen after Nina got on the elevator at the end? I got to the part where she walked into the building and passed the desk and walked into the elevator, and as soon as she was in the program cut off. Any information would be appreciated. Or maybe it ended right there I dunno...THANKS :)


The last scene was the elevator door opening, a masked man is waiting on the other side, he shoots Nina with a silencer and she falls.

[Cleopatra2727]

Something popped up in my mind today, don't know if someone already mentioned it, but what about the "sister" role here? When the first woman died they went to get her twin sister. The first one was easily replaced. Leaves me to wonder whether the 2nd twin sister was also injected with Cortexipham (guess so, as she ran away from home when she was a bit older, meaning that when they were a child they could have been in the drug trial together, am I right?). Yet, it does not make sense that she has the same 'ability' as her sister since she was not 'activated'. Right?

And could this also mean that Olivia's sister was part of the drug trial as well and might have the same 'abilities' as Olivia that are waiting to be activated? Although I acknowledge that they are not twin sisters :confused0006:

:tiphat: (love this one! :D)

[fear-otaku]

And could this also mean that Olivia's sister was part of the drug trial as well and might have the same 'abilities' as Olivia that are waiting to be activated? Although I acknowledge that they are not twin sisters :confused0006:

hmm not a bad thought that one....I'm not really sure about that, They paired up the children so they wern't scared, and Olivia already had a partner, but yes what about her sister, isn't there an age difference? This would rule out this theory, I believe her sister is younger. But Correct me if i'm wrong.

[redcottage33]

I thought were told that Nick Lane was the one that was paired with her. Unless the drug trail required multiple vaccinations.

[Fringeling]

it was revealed that the self immolation was a result of cortexephan activation, which means that we now have one more soldier than the other universe. which leads me to wonder, also if the process is so volatile, and the chance of activation failure is so high, why were there only a few dozen kids put on cortexephan?

seems like quite a small army imo. . . . That's a good point, it does seem like a small army.:confused0006:


Something popped up in my mind today, don't know if someone already mentioned it, but what about the "sister" role here? When the first woman died they went to get her twin sister. The first one was easily replaced. Leaves me to wonder whether the 2nd twin sister was also injected with Cortexipham (guess so, as she ran away from home when she was a bit older, meaning that when they were a child they could have been in the drug trial together, am I right?). Yet, it does not make sense that she has the same 'ability' as her sister since she was not 'activated'. Right?

And could this also mean that Olivia's sister was part of the drug trial as well and might have the same 'abilities' as Olivia that are waiting to be activated? Although I acknowledge that they are not twin sisters :confused0006:

:tiphat: (love this one! :D)I think the answer might be found in understanding how the alternate universe might interact with ours:

Remember that when Olivia jumps to one universe, there are two victims together --- the sister and her twin, both kentucky fried at the same time on the street. Yet in "our timeline", there is only one victim on the street, because the twin ranaway/disappeared en years ago. So from this we might draw a conclusion:

*In our universe, only one of the twins was experimented on and activated, leading to her death coming out of the bus.

*In the alternate universe, both of the twins were experimented on, leading to both of them dying as they exited the bus.

So, what if the fact that the other twin was experimented on and activated in the alternate universe, means that the same twin can be activated in our universe by proxy? What if activation crosses dimensional boundaries or something, effecting multiple realities at once? In other words --- by the mere fact that Nancy Lewis was cortexiphaned in the other dimension, she didn't have to be in this dimension in order to be activated .. O_o

Another more complicated idea would be that there never were any twins at all -- the two twins were in fact the same person from different timelines co-existing in multiple places at once (somewhat like photons and other particles that obey the double-slit experiment "rules" of quantum weirdness):confused0006:

[Cleopatra2727]

I think the answer might be found in understanding how the alternate universe might interact with ours:

Remember that when Olivia jumps to one universe, there are two victims together --- the sister and her twin, both kentucky fried at the same time on the street. Yet in "our timeline", there is only one victim on the street, because the twin ranaway/disappeared en years ago. So from this we might draw a conclusion:

*In our universe, only one of the twins was experimented on and activated, leading to her death coming out of the bus.

*In the alternate universe, both of the twins were experimented on, leading to both of them dying as they exited the bus.

So, what if the fact that the other twin was experimented on and activated in the alternate universe, means that the same twin can be activated in our universe by proxy? What if activation crosses dimensional boundaries or something, effecting multiple realities at once? In other words --- by the mere fact that Nancy Lewis was cortexiphaned in the other dimension, she didn't have to be in this dimension in order to be activated .. O_o

Another more complicated idea would be that there never were any twins at all -- the two twins were in fact the same person from different timelines co-existing in multiple places at once (somewhat like photons and other particles that obey the double-slit experiment "rules" of quantum weirdness):confused0006:

I like your thinking Fringeling! This would mean that decisions made in the alter-verse would affect our universe too? It's could explain some things, but could it work the other way around too? That decisions made in this universe could affect alter-universe too? And how would that work? Because I heard someone say there's a difference of 17 years between our universe and alter-universe? Don't know if that's confirmed though :confused0006: