where is alternative uni william bell

[queensix]

IF William Bell from out reality is in the alternate one, where is william bell from that reality? Do you think william bell killed him?

[queensix]

i misspelled my title...lol

[WalterBishop]

Or, alternatively, the other dimension didn't have a Bell at all, and Will has just been in that dimension for years, creating a Massive Dynamic in that world too.

[Matthew]

This was a question I was asking last week, and made me curious if there Bell was dead. There can't be two Bells, but there had to have been at one time. So I'm assuming he's dead.

[VK321]

thats a good question. i dont think our bell killed the other one. i bet some kind of twist will come where they both work together. another question, why would our bell be in the other reality? he could hidden from jones in this world. but then again, it much harder to get him over there.

[ntou45]

i really hope we get to see a memory of William Bell 1 dueling (by sword, of course) with William Bell 2 on the top of the Massive Dynamic skyscraper. Boy that would make listening to Olivia treat Broyles as her **** worth it.

[UT]

I think that William Bell might be the alternate universe version Walter Bishop (WB and WB)
That could even potentially make him peter's father

[Obyron]

That'd explain Nina's talk about how she and Peter's father were very close. Does she ever specifically say she's talking about Walter in that scene?

[Matthew]

I think that William Bell might be the alternate universe version Walter Bishop (WB and WB)
That could even potentially make him peter's father
This wouldn't explain how Bell and Walter broke through the barrier between worlds together.

[queensix]

I think that William Bell might be the alternate universe version Walter Bishop (WB and WB)
That could even potentially make him peter's father


so bell came over to this reality and worked with Walter back in the day, created massive dynamic and then went back to his own reality?

[link3265]

When you cross over, you may assume the role of your alternate self. Maybe 2 of the same people can't exist in the same reality.

[Obyron]

That'd explain why Olivia was seeing through her own eyes during her little visions.

[UT]

This wouldn't explain how Bell and Walter broke through the barrier between worlds together.

well Walter said that he and bell knew how to get visions of the other reality, through the use of LSD, so they could have worked together between their own dimensions. Also, Nina told Olivia she could get her a meeting with bell. so there has to be someway to communicate.
obviously nobody knows for sure, and every theory has holes, too bad we have to wait until the fall for more clues

[Matthew]

well Walter said that he and bell knew how to get visions of the other reality, through the use of LSD, so they could have worked together between their own dimensions. Also, Nina told Olivia she could get her a meeting with bell. so there has to be someway to communicate.
obviously nobody knows for sure, and every theory has holes, too bad we have to wait until the fall for more clues
I find it very hard to believe, even for this show, that Bell and Walter just happened to meet each other while both trippin' on some LSD.

[Fringeling]

I find it very hard to believe, even for this show, that Bell and Walter just happened to meet each other while both trippin' on some LSD.
That would essentially make them Bill and Ted ... so is the journey excellent or bogus?

Hey! The Observer could be the Reaper guy!!

[Mojo]

Hey! The Observer could be the Reaper guy!!

Hah I thought the Grim Reaper was hilarious in Bogus Journey.

"Melvin"...priceless.

[matthew1786]

It makes you wonder what alternate reality Olivia is up to doesn't it? Or any other character for that matter...

This war that is described in the ZFT Manuscript, does it infur that the battle will be against your alternate reality self?

Too many questions, not enough answers. I really hope that the writers explain this conundrum of the individual and his or her alternate reality self in the next season.

[Tritium]

That would essentially make them Bill and Ted ... so is the journey excellent or bogus?


:lolol:

[Obyron]

It makes you wonder what alternate reality Olivia is up to doesn't it? Or any other character for that matter...

This war that is described in the ZFT Manuscript, does it infur that the battle will be against your alternate reality self?

Too many questions, not enough answers. I really hope that the writers explain this conundrum of the individual and his or her alternate reality self in the next season.

It makes you wonder though. If Alter-Olivia was never treated with Cortexiphan, she'd probably just be some chick. I mean granted, the visions of our Olivia seem to indicate that Alter-Olivia is still in the FBI and everything, but you have to wonder.

[homerj]

i dont know why people keep saying that to go to the other universe the "alter-person" has to be killed. i always thought that two of "me" could be in the same universe just NOT occupy the same space. which would then create the problem.

[Daisy]

I think you can suspend them -like the chambers they kept John Scott in.

However - since Massive Dynamic is all about the future technology -I think that Bell is actually FROM the alternate universe and pretends to live in ours so he can make tons of $$$ to bankroll his efforts.

I mean if you could travel between dimensions, wouldn't you want to take some technology from the more advanced dimension to the other dimensions to make some $$$

It stands to reason that the technology that allows inter-dimensional transport originates in the more advanced dimension.

So I think the question is where is our Bell? Was there ever a Bell? Or did some dude just cross dimensions and work with a crazy dude to get some street cred -totally using Walter?

[dingo]

That'd explain why Olivia was seeing through her own eyes during her little visions.

I think there are two ways of traveling between the two universes.
1. Children that took Cortexifan have the ability to jump into minds of the alter-selfs. Therefore when Olivia jumped between universes, she was in the mind of her Alter-Self. For Example when she walked into Broyles office, Broyles was not startled that she was there, so she must have been in Alter-Olvias mind.

2. You physicaly open up a "Gate/Window" to the other universe. Therefore a Truck can appear with no recognizable VIN or Plate #. This is how William, Walter travels between the Universes. Following this theory there could 2 of each person walking around.

[VilS]

I think, because Peter isn't in the alter reality, that Walter played his life as Bell did in our reality and something happened to Bell in the other reality, maybe by Walter.

[yvaine]

Dingo, I like your theory. About inhabiting the minds of the Alter-Selves. After all, Cortexiphan was really more about the mind.

I wonder how close the different realities really are? For example when OliviaPrime zones out to the other universe with the scarred Alter-Charlie, it doesn't seem like she was out of place, and she was investigating the same case. So the different realities play out closely, but with subtle differences? I was thinking this might be key in understanding the Reiden Lake incident with Walter and Peter and the Observer years ago.

[Half-devoured]

I am new here and I have not seen this suggested yet, but could it be possible that one William Bell is the prisoner of the other since the realities are at war? Perhaps the Bell that Olivia spoke with is the Bell that is not to be trusted and the altruistic Bell (if there is one at all) is somehow in danger and being used by the other side.

[FieryJack]

1. Children that took Cortexifan have the ability to jump into minds of the alter-selfs. Therefore when Olivia jumped between universes, she was in the mind of her Alter-Self. For Example when she walked into Broyles office, Broyles was not startled that she was there, so she must have been in Alter-Olvias mind.
Assuming certain kids in both realities were cortexiphan-kids, then they would have a double-boost for jumping into their respective Alter's minds. It also means that whenever Olivia jumps to her Alter the opposite takes place and Alter-Olivia gets the low down on what's going on here. Is this how the Alters are getting info from the real Fringe division?

[Inunah]

Assuming certain kids in both realities were cortexiphan-kids, then they would have a double-boost for jumping into their respective Alter's minds. It also means that whenever Olivia jumps to her Alter the opposite takes place and Alter-Olivia gets the low down on what's going on here. Is this how the Alters are getting info from the real Fringe division?

That's some hard fact you've quoted there.

You can't assume anything in the Fringe-verse, FieryJack... Because as it seems right now, the Alter-Olivia doesn't seem to have the ability to switch to Olivia's mind... Yet. I don't think the people from the alternate universe are switching into the people from our Fringe-verse... It seems like maybe someone's got another type of link on the inside, instead.

[FieryJack]

That's some hard fact you've quoted there.
Fact? Which one? It's called a hypothesis - a discussion of possibilities based on the evidence given.

The realities are closely aligned and it is possible that Walternate was doing the same sort of research in the alter-reality as Walter did in ours. Hence, the assumption for the purpose of discussion is that the Cortexiphan kids also exist in the alter and that alter-Olivia can also jump.