Fired from Fringe?

[OliviaIsMyHero]

Today on Facebook, Kirk Acevedo's status was:
Kirk Acevedo:

WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF OF FRINGE,AND IVE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!!!


Can this be true!? And yes, I'm certain for a fact that his facebook is real. I wonder what he did, and how they are going to cut Charlie out...

[BrassOrchid]

Today on Facebook, Kirk Acevedo's status was:
Kirk Acevedo:

WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF OF FRINGE,AND IVE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!!!


Can this be true!? And yes, I'm certain for a fact that his facebook is real. I wonder what he did, and how they are going to cut Charlie out...


Whoa....didn't see that one coming at all......

[jordoo]

I thought he mentioned in an interview that they were already shooting some scenes for next season? Maby about a month ago or so. I'm not sure ware they were headed with his character but I thought he was doing a good job. I wonder what happened if its true?

[Cathy904]

I don't know how to react. Is there any second source of information?

[mucca]

That's HORRIBLE! Fired?! He's such a nice guy, I have no I idea what would warrant him getting fired. Probably all politics :what:

I don't know how to react. Is there any second source of information? His facebook is pretty much straight from the horse's mouth, I don't think we're gonna get a second source until news breaks and news sources start investigating the claim- we might hear something from EW or EOnline, but it might take a day or two.

[purpledew]

:confused0066::confused0066: Huh?

Umm, fired is very different from not renewing a contract for season 2 right? Fired means in their eyes he did something wrong and worth firing for?

Woah, whose decision would that be anyway? Way to kick him in the teeth huh.

I dunno, what with Orci and Kane deciding to go and now this. IS this typical of Fox over there?

[Arctic Fox]

Aw, no way! I really hope this isn't true... :(

[Daisy]

Really? WOW!!! Fired?

[Ellie]

Nooo :eek:

I don't want Charlie to leave, he's such a cool guy.

[purpledew]

Nooo :eek:

I don't want Charlie to leave, he's such a cool guy.

Me neither, I LOVE his character and was really hoping they would expand it next Season. Totally their loss and ours, if it's true :what:

[gillybee]

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Hey All,
I just received an email from a reader of the site with a screencap of Fringe Actor Kirk Acevedo's Facebook where he claims that he has been "fired" from Fringe!?

This is definitely a sign of the times and something you rarely hear. An actor being fired. Usually an actor and a show part their ways or a character is killed off the show. However, he claims being wronged and with the show currently in hiatus, this seems awfully strange.

I assume there were some contract issues that caused this, but here is the screencap of his Facebook page.

I personally liked his character FBI Agent Charlie Francis and thought he fit well with the other cast members.
source (http://tvspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/05/kirk-acevedo-confirms-fringe-firing-via.html)

Whilst he was a minor character he will be missed I hope they know what they are doing.:confused0006:

[Daisy]

I thought he was a great character and well developed as someone Olivia could trust to have her back - it is going to be tough to do that with a new guy.

[Cathy904]

Thanks, gillybee.

What a bummer.

[Raven]

Wait what? That's just wrong. Seriously, another one of my favorite characters? This is really starting to tick me off....

[Fringified]

Nooooooo!!!!

HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US!!

Aww, that's terrible, because I really enjoyed Charlie's character. And they fired him? What could he have EVER done wrong? Charlie was such a great person, the actor and the character. I REALLY hope this is false :(

[xofringe314]

Please let this be a scam!!

[Elliot]

That can't be right! He's perfect for the role. And you can't just stick in another "long time friend, knew her when" agent to fill his role.

[purpledew]

A casting call has come out for, well, not officially, but reading what they want, sounds like a replacement to me, FBI agent, all the same qualities only an attractive female *rollseyes*

If they are trying to hire a hot female FBI agent just for the ratings then I will NOT be happy, soo shallow.

[Citizen]

This is surely an unexpected development. I wanted his character to be developed more in season two...

[gillybee]

This is surely an unexpected development. I wanted his character to be developed more in season two...
It looks like it developed right off the page

[WalterBishop]

A casting call has come out for, well, not officially, but reading what they want, sounds like a replacement to me, FBI agent, all the same qualities only an attractive female *rollseyes*

If they are trying to hire a hot female FBI agent just for the ratings then I will NOT be happy, soo shallow.

I have the feeling they're going to cover it by making him turn female by some weird experiment.. :O

[Draivn]

I hope this isn't true.

Orci and Kane leave, they move the show to a different slot, relocate to Canada, and now fire a well liked character.

[Ellie]

A casting call has come out for, well, not officially, but reading what they want, sounds like a replacement to me, FBI agent, all the same qualities only an attractive female *rollseyes*

If they are trying to hire a hot female FBI agent just for the ratings then I will NOT be happy, soo shallow.

:( This is horrible. How can they replace Charlie *cry*... and why with a woman? I love how Olivia works in this men's world.

[Cathy904]

Wait what? That's just wrong. Seriously, another one of my favorite characters? This is really starting to tick me off....

Oh my gosh, Raven, I just got your mood. "Dead". :haha: (I'm sorry)

Unfortunately, other than the trio of Walter, Olivia, and Peter, nobody can consider their job guaranteed. Acting is a very unpredictable profession.
On the brighter side, Kirk Acevedo has had some terrific exposure this year.

I hope I see him again very soon on another show.

[Kirst.]

I have the feeling they're going to cover it by making him turn female by some weird experiment.. :O

That's just... LOL. I dont know why that made me laugh, because I wouldnt be surprised. Well, Charlie is a unisex name so *shrugs*.

But in all seriousness, I'm really sorry if this is true. I liked Charlie, and okay characters come and go, but if he was promptly fired it does make you wonder.

[Cathy904]

I have the feeling they're going to cover it by making him turn female by some weird experiment.. :O

And Peter will start flirting with her! :haha:

[WalterBishop]

Just read the casting call, apparently it's for "Katherine".. Not Charlie then?.. Or is it?

[Cathy904]

Someone suggested Katherine is replacing Charlie. Gee, I've never done a whole thread in spoilers before. ;)

[WalterBishop]

Someone suggested Katherine is replacing Charlie. Gee, I've never done a whole thread in spoilers before. ;)

;)

They had William Bell as Dr. Smith or whatever in the casting for the finale, this might be another psuedonym.

[purpledew]

:( This is horrible. How can they replace Charlie *cry*... and why with a woman? I love how Olivia works in this men's world.

Me too, you find yourself gunning more for her because of it.

[Citizen]

Charlie will become a victim of "where the eff have they gone?" starting with the season premiere. As for the female agent being cast, this is done all the time on shows so that we can feel familiarized with a new character.

[dach]

i dont think i can believe this. And i wont until a news release to make it official. Well there was that time someone online in December said that Mark and Anna got married a month before it was on the news. I didnt believe that until it was on the news, which im going to do with this news.

But if it is trus, this sucks. I liked Charlie, he and olivia made a good team.

What is going on? so far 3 people left in a couple of days. Jeff, Brad now Kirk. not to mention no more Jones. the production is moving to Canada.

is it the economy or the network? Is this normal for a JJ show?

[Raven]

What is going on? So far 3 people left in a couple of days. Jeff, Brad now Kirk. Not to mention no more Jones. The production is moving to Canada.

is it the economy or the network? Is this normal for a JJ show?

I'm still thinking that there may be an alternate Jones. But we won't know anything until next season.

Yes, Fringe will be filmed I think in Vancouver, British Columbia(which makes me happy since I was born in British Columbia, so yes, that makes me a British Columbian :D) :happy15:

As for it either being the economy or the network, I wouldn't know D:

[Cathy904]

I'm still thinking that there may be an alternate Jones. But we won't know anything until next season.

Yes, Fringe will be filmed I think in Vancouver, British Columbia(which makes me happy since I was born in British Columbia, so yes, that makes me a British Columbian :D) :happy15:

As for it either being the economy or the network, I wouldn't know D:

Yay, you finally got optimistic you may get to see your favorite character again! It seems logical everyone we know here has (or had, *gulp*) "alters" in the alternate universe.

I don't know if it's the economy or not. Fox has a reputation of paying the highest salaries on network tv. Fox seems to aim for a younger demographic (the coveted 18-49 demo?), but until recently it also had a rep for axing sci-fi shows before they had a chance to catch on with the general public. Then beloved producers like JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon both start tv series there. I was (pleasantly) stunned that "Dollhouse" made renewal. It sank to 3.5 million viewers some episodes.
Some shows are cancelled almost immediately if they start out with numbers like that. And I have a couple of issues with that premise, but that's another show.

We can speculate all we'd like, but Mr. Acevedo still has an acting career. And it may not be true! But I'm guessing it probably is true. I'm sad for the Charlie fans. Let's cross all fingers, toes, legs, whatever that the creative forces behind the show will still have the show's best interests at heart when decisions like that are made.

:hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope:

Oh, and can I come stay with you, Raven, maybe around the Winter Olympics? ;)

[Jacqueline]

WHAT?
I loved Kirk and he played Charlie SO well!
How dare they replace him? And with a woman??
Olivia and Charlie made the perfect team!

[Flashwriter]

I hope there's some kind of mistake here. Charlie was really the 'everyman' character. This type of show always needs one of these characters for balance--somebody whose standing back from the action and reacting. He was so good in this role in the finale. I simply loved when Liv was explaining the idea of another reality to him. His reactions regarding the truck were classic. And now I'm reading about a woman taking his place. Fringe may be becoming just a little too feminized. I'm not happy.:mad::confused0066:

[Raven]

I hope there's some kind of mistake here. Charlie was really the 'everyman' character. This type of show always needs one of these characters for balance--somebody whose standing back from the action and reacting. He was so good in this role in the finale. I simply loved when Liv was explaining the idea of another reality to him. His reactions regarding the truck were classic. And now I'm reading about a woman taking his place. Fringe may be becoming just a little too feminized. I'm not happy.:mad::confused0066:

Yeah, I agree with you.


Yay, you finally got optimistic you may get to see your favorite character again! It seems logical everyone we know here has (or had, *gulp*) "alters" in the alternate universe.


:hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope: :hope:

Oh, and can I come stay with you, Raven, maybe around the Winter Olympics? ;)

Yes I did :D LOL you never know, we may have some as well XD

Well, no, because I don't live there anymore (I really, REALLY miss B.C.) :( I was actually born on the island, in the capital, which is Victoria :) If I still lived there, maybe ;)


Oh my gosh, Raven, I just got your mood. "Dead". :haha: (I'm sorry)

Really? Hahaaa....(not laughing at you but with you). And that's alright.

[xofringe314]

I wonder how they're going to write Charlie out. I don't know much about the show business but I'm pretty sure they can't say, "Ok, you're fired, but come back tomorrow to film your death scene."

[Flashwriter]

FADE IN:
Closeup on Olivia's face. Tears are running down her cheeks, but she has assumed the FBI, firm lipped, quiet morning for a lost brother look.

PULL BACK:
To reveal a grave with all our major characters clustered around.

BROYALS (TO OLIVIA),
Do you remember anything after the flash? Anything at all?

OLIVIA,
No. It was like getting hit with a truck. I went out like a light and when I came to it was dark and I couldn't see. I almost tripped over him. I almost tripped over Charlie...

GRIEF MOMENTARILY OVERWHELMS HER AND SHE LOOKS AWAY AND SILENTLY SOBS. PETER COMES OVER AND ESCORTS HER ASSIDE. BROYLES TURNS AND LOOKS BLEAKLY AT THE GRAVE.

CUT TO:
Beginning Titles.

[awm8604]

US, May 20, 2009 - According to EW's Michael Ausiello's Twitter Account, a series regular on FOX's creep-fest Fringe has been fired. With the show moving to Vancouver to lower production costs, this "thinning of the herd" might have been a cost-cutting move.

Actor Kirk Acevedo, who plays the Jame Gumb-voiced FBI Agent Charlie Francis on the show, posted a message on his Facebook wall last night. Acevedo notified, in all-caps, his face-friends that he had, indeed, been fired.

The message read as follows:
"WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!!!"

http://tv.ign.com/articles/984/984971p1.html

I hope this isn't true, I like Charlie a lot. :cynical:

[Elliot]

Anybody else notice the pic of Charlie at the top of the page looks like he's ready to cry?

[Joy]

FADE IN:
Closeup on Olivia's face. Tears are running down her cheeks, but she has assumed the FBI, firm lipped, quiet morning for a lost brother look.

PULL BACK:
To reveal a grave with all our major characters clustered around.

BROYALS (TO OLIVIA),
Do you remember anything after the flash? Anything at all?

OLIVIA,
No. It was like getting hit with a truck. I went out like a light and when I came to it was dark and I couldn't see. I almost tripped over him. I almost tripped over Charlie...

GRIEF MOMENTARILY OVERWHELMS HER AND SHE LOOKS AWAY AND SILENTLY SOBS. PETER COMES OVER AND ESCORTS HER ASSIDE. BROYLES TURNS AND LOOKS BLEAKLY AT THE GRAVE.

CUT TO:
Beginning Titles.

Is this to be the actual scene?

[Raven]

Too bad I can't see his Facebook. It would have been neat to have talked to him. Apparently it's private, and only people who are on the New York network can see him.... Then again I can understand that he doesn't want a whole bunch of people from all over the world bothering him. I feel really sorry for him. I also have to wonder why he was fired.

[animus]

What could he have done to get fired?!

[musing_11]

if this is true....awful news, i can't imagine what must've happened....

until we get official confirmation i refuse to ackowledge this.

[animus]

FADE IN:
Closeup on Olivia's face. Tears are running down her cheeks, but she has assumed the FBI, firm lipped, quiet morning for a lost brother look.

PULL BACK:
To reveal a grave with all our major characters clustered around.

BROYALS (TO OLIVIA),
Do you remember anything after the flash? Anything at all?

OLIVIA,
No. It was like getting hit with a truck. I went out like a light and when I came to it was dark and I couldn't see. I almost tripped over him. I almost tripped over Charlie...

GRIEF MOMENTARILY OVERWHELMS HER AND SHE LOOKS AWAY AND SILENTLY SOBS. PETER COMES OVER AND ESCORTS HER ASSIDE. BROYLES TURNS AND LOOKS BLEAKLY AT THE GRAVE.

CUT TO:
Beginning Titles.

Could I ask where you got this from?

[dach]

i think someone asked how would they kill of Charlie and Flashwriter made up a scene. i dont thinks its a real scene.

At least i dont think it is.

[xofringe314]

It's not a real scene. It's what one person thinks it should be.

[animus]

AH... sorry guys I was a little confused. :what:

[musing_11]

AH... sorry guys I was a little confused. :what:

that's okay, it was pretty good writing, easy to get confused :comfort:

[yvaine]

Oh, man, the goings-on behind the scenes are turning out to be weirder than what we saw in any of the episodes. :p

I didn't really have much of an emotional investment in Charlie's character, but I've always liked him. At this point, he seems to be the only person apart from her family who genuinely cares about Olivia. Sure, there's Broyles and even Peter, but Charlie has known her the longest.

Looks like this may be another cost-cutting thing? They're probably going to get a Vancouver-based actor for that new rumoured female FBI agent to make it more cost-effective. But seriously, an attractive FEMALE?! I am going to second Cathy's comment - is Peter going to start flirting with her?! I agree with the people who say I do like how Olivia carries herself in a male-dominated environment. Putting in another lady agent might upset the current dynamic, unless she's going to be a wallflower much like - I hate to say it - Astrid.

I hope they treat Kirk's/Charlie's exit with more respect. He seems like such a nice guy, and he has contributed to making Fringe what it is now.

[animus]

that's okay, it was pretty good writing, easy to get confused :comfort:

It is quite depressing though... I really like Charlie's character. :(

[musing_11]

It is quite depressing though... I really like Charlie's character. :(

me too :( but i won't believe it's true until i hear it from an official source

[xofringe314]

Just watch it all be a cover for how Charlie's actually a mole for ZFT! Yeah, that's just me being optimistic.

[animus]

I agree with mussing_11, we could speculate all we want, but until we here it for real from an official source, there's not much point.

[OliviaIsMyHero]

Too bad I can't see his Facebook. It would have been neat to have talked to him. Apparently it's private, and only people who are on the New York network can see him.... Then again I can understand that he doesn't want a whole bunch of people from all over the world bothering him. I feel really sorry for him. I also have to wonder why he was fired.


Actually, I just searched his name a requested to be his friend and he accepted. I think they just accept fans, which is really nice.
But judging by photos of vacations and other information he posts, I'm positivie it's him, but whether he's telling the truth could be another thing. Yet I doubt it.:(

[Raven]

Actually, I just searched his name a requested to be his friend and he accepted. I think they just accept fans, which is really nice.
But judging by photos of vacations and other information he posts, I'm positivie it's him, but whether he's telling the truth could be another thing. Yet I doubt it.:(

Really? I looked him up and he wasn't there D: Earlier anyway. I can't find him in the search(the right guy anyway) and when I search it up on google and click it, facebook redirects me to my homepage on facebook :(

[OliviaIsMyHero]

just saw another mention of this on PerezHilton.com! It seems to be everywhere ...

[purpledew]

This news makes me wonder exactly WHY Orci and Kane really left. I dunno, something just doesn't sit right here.

I think the new female FBI agent may be a stunt to bring in eye-candy for viewing figures myself. If this proved to be the case, then I would be absolutely disgusted.

Something tells me there is trouble behind the scenes on this show, I don't know what or why, but I can just smell it and I don't like it.

[Fringified]

I agree completely with you, purpledew. Charlie has been in just about every episode since the Pilot, right? This was a terrible decision!!

And I COMPLETELY agree with what you said in the spoiler tags.

[Cathy904]

Musing, that's a very cool 'bar' you have as a banner/signature, I find myself staring at it to see what comes up. :D

I don't know, guys. On one hand, I'm still happy we're getting a second season to see what they come up with. It's an odd decision.

D-Roc has Kirk Acevedo's face come up when you pull up this thread , it makes me flinch a little. :D

Fans only have a a certain amount of influence.
I also like the way Olivia functions so well in a man's world. My husband says "she's in touch with her masculine side", compared to another crime-fighting protagonist, like Jennifer Garner in "Alias". Jennifer Garner seemed a little kittenish, like a Playboy fantasy :haha: . I really believe Anna Torv as an FBI agent and I LOVE her demeanor. But this is about Kirk Acevedo! :ashamed0001:

I'm not crazy about him being replaced by a female agent, either.

Kirk, I will miss you!

[Joy]

I also like the way Olivia functions so well in a man's world. My husband says "she's in touch with her masculine side", compared to another crime-fighting protagonist, like Jennifer Garner in "Alias". Jennifer Garner seemed a little kittenish, like a Playboy fantasy :haha: . I really believe Anna Torv as an FBI agent and I LOVE her demeanor. But this is about Kirk Acevedo! :ashamed0001:


Yes this is (mainly) about Kirk Acevedo and I believe he too far in it to make changes now. I know that sometimes ratings and anticipation go up when there is a threat that a main character will be killed, so I feel that this may be a ploy, to keep up interest in the hiatus.

By the way I loved Jennifer Garner's character. She was able to be a real girl/woman (wear makeup, get her hair done, enjoy going out, instead of having a bottle in her hand when things get rough, hang out with friends, and have more than 2 outfits), yet still be able to compete with any man. I liked that she didnt try to hide that she was a woman.
I wish Anna would at least get another outfit. (maybe some colorful suits)

[Flashwriter]

I didn't mean to shake things up like I did. There were questions regarding how they could write Charlie off the show if he was already gone. I was just trying to illustrate how it could go. I thought the title explained it, but I guess not well enough. Again apologies...:o

I'm still grieving myself. When I originally saw that Fringe was going to be on FOX, I winced. I was quite a fan of "Firefly" and watched as they completely screwed that show over. Fringe, though, seems to have more horsepower than Firefly and seems to have survived the hiatuses and airdate changes. Let's hope we still have the "Fringe" we've come to love when it returns in the Fall.

[Cathy904]

Sorry also, perhaps Jennifer Garner was a bad example.

I like Jennifer Garner, I was one of the fans who really liked "Daredevil". No offense intended.

[Joy]

Sorry also, perhaps Jennifer Garner was a bad example.

I like Jennifer Garner, I was one of the fans who really liked "Daredevil". No offense intended.

No hun, I didnt take any offense, we all like different things.... no worries :happy15:

[Cathy904]

Oh good! Thanks.

I'm terrrible about going off topic. Back to Kirk Acevedo........

[nucleo]

Odd decision.

Not my favorite character but i'm sorry for Kirk :(

[mucca]

Here's Brad Caleb Kane's Twitter reaction:
http://twitter.com/BradCalebKane/statuses/1863893953

They fired Kirk Acevedo? WTF?!

[Kirst.]

To all my Fringe-o-philes: I'm hearing Kirk Acevedo was let go b/c the powers-that-be were having trouble serving so many characters and they want to focus more on the three main and their individual stories. Who knows... ? But Josh's character HAS been underserved, so... maybe THAT'S why. Anyway, that's what I got...From Brad's twitter..

[mucca]

It was the status update that rocked the Fringe-verse: On May 20th, Kirk Acevedo—who plays level-headed Fed Charlie Francis—posted an all-caps bulletin on his Facebook page that read “WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND I’VE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!”

But according to exec producer Jeff Pinkner, “like all things on Fringe, there is more to this story than meets the eye.” In fact Pinkner not only confirms to TV Guide Magazine that Acevedo “was not fired,” he hints that we’ll see more Agent Francis in season 2. Literally.

“We have already seen two of him on the show,” teases Pinkner. “We have already met the second Charlie. He had a scar on his face.” Looks like The Observer wasn’t messing around when he said that there’s more than one of everything.Source (http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/fringe/fringes-kirk-acevedo-was-not-fired-1215.html)

I'm officially beyond confused.

[Fringified]

From Brad's twitter..

Then the people behind the show just made an extremely bad decision. You did NOT have to fire Charlie to focus more on the main three characters!! Charlie is always an enjoyable character, even if he is just side-by-side with Liv, fighting baddies. This is so upsetting! :confused::icon20:

[xofringe314]

Please tell me Pinkner's right! I don't want Kirk to be fired!

[mucca]

Pinkner>Kane, Kane isn't part of the production team. I think maybe they've downgraded him from regular to recurring, possibly. OR TPTB realized it was a HUGE mistake letting him go, as he obviously has a fan following.

[Elliot]

Even if it's just a demotion to recurring rather than constant, it's still rotten. He is a solid addition to the show, she needs her friend to rely on, and he is constant and solid for her to the point of going to Peter to have him break the law for her-----rotten to take that out from under Olivia's feet. As well as Acevedo is an engaging actor who is enjoyable to watch.

[Jacqueline]

It was the status update that rocked the Fringe-verse: On May 20th, Kirk Acevedo—who plays level-headed Fed Charlie Francis—posted an all-caps bulletin on his Facebook page that read “WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND I’VE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!”

But according to exec producer Jeff Pinkner, “like all things on Fringe, there is more to this story than meets the eye.” In fact Pinkner not only confirms to TV Guide Magazine that Acevedo “was not fired,” he hints that we’ll see more Agent Francis in season 2. Literally.

“We have already seen two of him on the show,” teases Pinkner. “We have already met the second Charlie. He had a scar on his face.” Looks like The Observer wasn’t messing around when he said that there’s more than one of everything.I hope this is true.

[Fringified]

But if he "was not fired" then what is all this commotion for? Why did Kirk post such a status? Is this all just a ploy for attention? Is our-universe Charlie being "fired" and alter-Charlie replacing him??

[Frin12]

well, any person can open up a facebook and put any name they want to. I also think kirk would be more professional enough to not blab about his firing especially publicly.

[Flashwriter]

This is worse than watching "Lost". I have no idea what's going on. Excuse me while I pull out the yellow M&Ms from my bowl here. And--oh yeah--I've got this strange urge for a root bear float...:tiptoe:

[purpledew]

Brad Celeb Kane just twittered....

To all my Fringe-o-philes: I'm hearing Kirk Acevedo was let go b/c the powers-that-be were having trouble serving so many characters --

and they want to focus more on the three main and their individual stories. Who knows... ?

But Josh's character HAS been underserved, so... maybe THAT'S why. Anyway, that's what I got...

[purpledew]

So, in short, I think he hasn't been 'fired', he's been 'let go' and there is a difference, however much it doesn't change the outcome, there is still a difference.

I think maybe Pinkner is just trying to smooth out the trouble. Kirk will be in season 2 because they have already shot some stuff. I dunno, as much as I hate to say it, there seems to be too much evidence that it isn't true?

[mucca]

Kirk Acevedo, 37, is one of the coolest dudes I’ve ever met (in Hollywood). He’s down to earth, laid-back, and every female Latina staffer loves him because he's "just so darn cute." So naturally, I was very bummed when I was minding my beeswax the other night on Facebook, and saw this status update on Kirk's page: "WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND IVE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!!!"

Alarmed, shocked, taken aback, and stunned, I did the unthinkable: I sent an instant message to a celebrity at 2 a.m! Not fair, I know. After all, it was waaaay late. But I wanted to find out the scoop (and the reason for all those CAPS and threatening exclamation points!) and because Kirk's a nice guy, (and because he doesn’t have the powers that characters have on sci-fi shows like Fringe to zap or magically destroy me), Kirk wrote back! I asked him if it was true that he had in fact been let go from the show, and he answered that it was: “It’s called not picking up my option. But at the end of the day, you got fired!” he said. I told Kirk that I agree with Fox’s decision not to pick up his option, but only because Fringe hasn’t been giving him any screen time anyway. It’s a waste for someone who’s talented to be on a show that can’t manage to give him a fair amount of play, and he deserves something more substantial, like a Ray Romano type husband role on a new hit sitcom, or a serious project where the classically trained actor can take on something Shakespearian. A lot is being made about Kirk’s decision to “air his dirty laundry” on Facebook, but here’s what I have to say to that: It’s his private FB page. He can write whatever he wants there! Plus, I think that’s just the kind of guy that Kirk is: honest! Talking to me about his Fringe character Charlie Francis back in September, Kirk described how he’s different from the man he plays: “He’s the polar opposite of me, because I wear my heart on my sleeve and Charlie doesn’t speak unless he knows what he’s going to say,.” I think this impulsive face book update proves that notion, but that's not a bad thing. Stay real, Kirk!Source (http://latina.com/blogs/vivo-por-tivo/kirk-acevedo-fired-fringe-actor-makes-announcement-facebook)

[purpledew]

Source (http://latina.com/blogs/vivo-por-tivo/kirk-acevedo-fired-fringe-actor-makes-announcement-facebook)

So that confirms Kane's twitters. I thought that was probably the case. Sad news, but I guess that's the way the climate is right now. Not that that justifies the decision, because I think it was the wrong one.

[Joy]

I didn't mean to shake things up like I did. There were questions regarding how they could write Charlie off the show if he was already gone. I was just trying to illustrate how it could go. I thought the title explained it, but I guess not well enough. Again apologies...:o

I'm still grieving myself. When I originally saw that Fringe was going to be on FOX, I winced. I was quite a fan of "Firefly" and watched as they completely screwed that show over. Fringe, though, seems to have more horsepower than Firefly and seems to have survived the hiatuses and airdate changes. Let's hope we still have the "Fringe" we've come to love when it returns in the Fall.

No apology needed for me. You are a good writer, it could definitely happen like that. By the way, I loved Firefly too. I am glad they are giving Fringe a fair shot.

[Flashwriter]

You are a good writer, it could definitely happen like that. By the way, I loved Firefly too. I am glad they are giving Fringe a fair shot.

Thank ya kindly, mam.
:tiphat:

[Cathy904]

Flashwriter, my husband was a big fan of "Firefly" and I really enjoyed the movie "Serenity".

At least Fox appears to have learned it's lesson, fostering "Dollhouse", which one critic called, "ratings phobic".

I'm terribly sorry for Kirk Acevedo. I don't like a female agent replacing his character. Kirk absolutely made a great impression on the show. I hope to see him again soon, and on network tv, too.

[Elliot]

I'm terribly sorry for Kirk Acevedo. I don't like a female agent replacing his character. Kirk absolutely made a great impression on the show. I hope to see him again soon
ITA!! Suddenly Olivia has a 'girly' partner? I think it is another lame 'love interest' for Peter. Love triangles are so manipulative, I'd rather have Peter & Olivia focus on their weird work and world than dink around messing with viewers' heads for teeny-bopper angst ratings. Fox could grow up there and it wouldn't hurt my feelings.

[xofringe314]

ITA!! Suddenly Olivia has a 'girly' partner? I think it is another lame 'love interest' for Peter. Love triangles are so manipulative, I'd rather have Peter & Olivia focus on their weird work and world than dink around messing with viewers' heads for teeny-bopper angst ratings. Fox could grow up there and it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
I know! You have all these great shows (house, bones etc.) but once the characters' personal lives start overshadowing the cases, it all goes downhill from there.

[Raven]

Apparently, he may not have been fired. Read this:


It was the status update that rocked the Fringe-verse: On May 20th, Kirk Acevedo—who plays level-headed Fed Charlie Francis—posted an all-caps bulletin on his Facebook page that read “WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND I’VE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!”

But according to exec producer Jeff Pinkner, “like all things on Fringe, there is more to this story than meets the eye.” In fact Pinkner not only confirms to TV Guide Magazine that Acevedo “was not fired,” he hints that we’ll see more Agent Francis in season 2. Literally.

“We have already seen two of him on the show,” teases Pinkner. “We have already met the second Charlie. He had a scar on his face.” Looks like The Observer wasn’t messing around when he said that there’s more than one of everything.

TV Guide Magazine Fringe's Kirk Acevedo Was Not Fired (http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/fringe/fringes-kirk-acevedo-was-not-fired-1215.html)

[Cathy904]

Apparently, he may not have been fired. Read this:


TV Guide Magazine Fringe's Kirk Acevedo Was Not Fired (http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/fringe/fringes-kirk-acevedo-was-not-fired-1215.html)


I love you guys and your research! :hope:

[Raven]

I love you guys and your research! :hope:

Thank you? O.O

[mucca]

Apparently, one of the biggest problems was the cost of keeping him. Kirk reportedly makes more per episode than Anna. Considering he doesn't have that much screentime, it was probably relatively hard for the network to keep up with that.

[animus]

Apparently, one of the biggest problems was the cost of keeping him. Kirk reportedly makes more per episode than Anna. Considering he doesn't have that much screentime, it was probably relatively hard for the network to keep up with that.

How does that work? Why would they pay him more than they pay the leads?:what:


ITA!! Suddenly Olivia has a 'girly' partner? I think it is another lame 'love interest' for Peter. Love triangles are so manipulative, I'd rather have Peter & Olivia focus on their weird work and world than dink around messing with viewers' heads for teeny-bopper angst ratings. Fox could grow up there and it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
I couldn't agree with you more! There are other ways to develop characters and relationships without love triangles no matter how much JJ Abrams seems to like them.

So is Kirk fired or what?? Could this actually be one of those rumors to lead us away from what's happening in season 2? Or maybe he's still with the show for season 2 just not season 3.... ( but that wouldn't make sense.. Fringe hasn't been renewed for S3 yet....) OY!

Im very confuzled.:what:

[dach]

yeah i heard about him being paid more than Anna which is a shock to me. She is the lead of the show, well i think she is the show if you think about it. without her the other leads wouldnt even be introduced.

now is it because she is a non-american actor so contacts are different for out of country actors? in other words low pay? and if thats the case, how would an non-american actor become paid as a american actor. i guess becoming an american themselves. could this explain why they would hire a Canadian actress because of cheeper salary to that actress?

or this post does not make sense:haha:

[Fringeling]

Kirk Acevedo, 37, is one of the coolest dudes I’ve ever met (in Hollywood). He’s down to earth, laid-back, and every female Latina staffer loves him because he's "just so darn cute." So naturally, I was very bummed when I was minding my beeswax the other night on Facebook, and saw this status update on Kirk's page: "WELL BOYS AND GIRLS THEY DONE DID YER BOY WRONG! THEY FIRED ME OFF FRINGE, AND IVE NEVER BEEN FIRED IN MY LIFE!!!!"

Alarmed, shocked, taken aback, and stunned, I did the unthinkable: I sent an instant message to a celebrity at 2 a.m! Not fair, I know. After all, it was waaaay late. But I wanted to find out the scoop (and the reason for all those CAPS and threatening exclamation points!) and because Kirk's a nice guy, (and because he doesn’t have the powers that characters have on sci-fi shows like Fringe to zap or magically destroy me), Kirk wrote back! I asked him if it was true that he had in fact been let go from the show, and he answered that it was: “It’s called not picking up my option. But at the end of the day, you got fired!” he said. I told Kirk that I agree with Fox’s decision not to pick up his option, but only because Fringe hasn’t been giving him any screen time anyway. It’s a waste for someone who’s talented to be on a show that can’t manage to give him a fair amount of play, and he deserves something more substantial, like a Ray Romano type husband role on a new hit sitcom, or a serious project where the classically trained actor can take on something Shakespearian. A lot is being made about Kirk’s decision to “air his dirty laundry” on Facebook, but here’s what I have to say to that: It’s his private FB page. He can write whatever he wants there! Plus, I think that’s just the kind of guy that Kirk is: honest! Talking to me about his Fringe character Charlie Francis back in September, Kirk described how he’s different from the man he plays: “He’s the polar opposite of me, because I wear my heart on my sleeve and Charlie doesn’t speak unless he knows what he’s going to say,.” I think this impulsive face book update proves that notion, but that's not a bad thing. Stay real, Kirk!
Source (http://latina.com/blogs/vivo-por-tivo/kirk-acevedo-fired-fringe-actor-makes-announcement-facebook)

I love it ---- he's a real dude ----- I'm just still wondering if it's true or not! Between what he's saying and what Pinker is saying, there has to be more to this than meets the eye. I mean what the Fringe?:what::P

[Raven]

yeah i heard about him being paid more than Anna which is a shock to me. She is the lead of the show, well i think she is the show if you think about it. without her the other leads wouldnt even be introduced.

now is it because she is a non-american actor so contacts are different for out of country actors? in other words low pay? and if thats the case, how would an non-american actor become paid as a american actor. i guess becoming an american themselves. could this explain why they would hire a Canadian actress because of cheeper salary to that actress?

or this post does not make sense:haha:

What's this about a Canadian actor? I mean, it makes me excited that there's going to be a Canadian(hey, it's a fellow Canadian, k?) And Canadians aren't cheap(not money-wise).

But on the other hand, it's wrong that they'd get rid of Charlie(Kirk Acevedo) for that. I really like him(he's a great actor).

[yvaine]

Animus/Dach - I think he's paid more because he's a more established actor compared to Anna, especially on American television. Sometimes it does come down to negotiations between the studio and the actor's agent, not necessarily if the actor is playing the lead. At least that's how I think it works. :D

If they hire a Canadian actor/actress, that might be cheaper in the long run, because on top of what they would pay an American actor (especially someone of Kirk's calibre) as a talent fee, they would also have to pay for said American actor's relocation to Vancouver.

[animus]

Animus/Dach - I think he's paid more because he's a more established actor compared to Anna, especially on American television. Sometimes it does come down to negotiations between the studio and the actor's agent, not necessarily if the actor is playing the lead. At least that's how I think it works. :D

Makes sense. Thanks :D So how much are they paying Josh Jackson? HAHA. And hey, after this is all said and done Anna Torv will be a household name, so Im gonna say money wont be an issue in her ear future. :D

[trippingonclouds]

I can't believe Charlie (Kirk) is leaving! I really wish it wasn't true...but as unhappy as I am with this, I can't change it.

I just hope the new girl does Charlie's job well. I'll be pretty disgusted if Peter gets together with her. Honestly, it would ruin Fringe for me. :yuk:

[Cathy904]

Makes sense. Thanks :D So how much are they paying Josh Jackson? HAHA. And hey, after this is all said and done Anna Torv will be a household name, so Im gonna say money wont be an issue in her ear future. :D

Kirk was paid more per episode than Anna? Really. Goodness.

The last time I checked, Jackson was represented by the William Morris Agency, a prestigous firm. That by itself doesn't indicate Joshua would make a bunch of money. I gleaned from looking at IMDB, Fox Searchlight also distributed his "One Week" movie, with Joshua as a producer, which also means he gets a cut of the box office, and could have been part of "Fringe" negotiations. This is all purely speculation, of course. I hope it did well in Canada. Plenty of JJ fans down here want to see it. Besides DC, I've only seen him do "Lone Star State of Mind", which was fun. It would be nice to see him in another vehicle. And the Canadian scenery.

Ramblin' Rose again. :ashamed0001:

So according to the TV guide article, I gather Kirk will be appearing again, just not on the regular basis he was in the first season.

It's nice Jeff Pinkner addresses "Fringe" board concerns so quickly when fans are startled.

[Elliot]

Yeah, pay scales are not the same thing as how credits are listed. You can tell more from seeing contracts for shows. Posters and press stuff is more telling; 100% top billing, 33% top billing. . . .required sizes of type--all kinds of stuff agencies work out. There is a lot of ego tied up in that stuff, don't let anyone kid you. And Acevedo is a more established actor and so would have likely had more bargaining power at the start of the season. . . than he does now, I guess.

Still, cutting someone's scenes to save money and then putting out a casting call for his replacement sounds not so economy minded. It does feel a bit disingenuous.

[dach]

Still, cutting someone's scenes to save money and then putting out a casting call for his replacement sounds not so economy minded. It does feel a bit disingenuous.

I agree, this doesnt make sense.:confused0006:

[mucca]

Still, cutting someone's scenes to save money and then putting out a casting call for his replacement sounds not so economy minded. It does feel a bit disingenuous. Well the casting call role would be recurring, so she would get paid substantially less than a regular.

[Fringified]

Okay, I'm actually really surprised no one has clearly theorized this yet: What if it was not "our" Kirk Acevedo who was fired? What if this is all a "prank," and Kirk is in on it too? What if it actually the Alter-Charlie who has been fired!!

Jeff Pinkner's comment is too suspicious! "More than meets the eye." Yeah, true, this is Fringe after all.

So not only is Fringe now getting attention because they're making people believe the wonderful and innocent character of Charlie has been "fired" (fired, not let go), but they're also setting the stage and giving us hints that make us want the second season even more...!

[Kirst.]

That would just make me LOL so much. Let's hope that's what it is!

[yvaine]

Fringified - That crossed my mind as well after reading Jeff's statement. LOL. Wouldn't it be great if that were the case? ;) It's a little too early to make that kind of a buzz for Season 2, though. But I certainly wouldn't discount it. ;)

[Fringified]

Maybe I'm being too hopeful :(

[xofringe314]

Maybe I'm being too hopeful :(
No, I hoping the same exact thing.:hope: Please let Charlie not be fired!

[yvaine]

Well, you never know! ;)

[Syz]

Unfortunately, IT IS OUTRAGEOUS BUT TRUE that Kirk was fired. I'm a friend of his wife who officially told me the other day that he was indeed fired (or as Mucca put it his option was not picked up). The Pinkner statements about how we've "...already met two Charlies..." were probably given either in the hopes that this would sort of blow over time a bit and the outcry would die down, or perhaps that they want to use him in the future but not as a recurring main character.

Either way, it's a sad sad day...

[JoT]

Is this a spoiler? Might be, not sure, i'll black it just in case??

Meghan Markle has joined the cast of Fox's sci-fi drama "Fringe" in a recurring role as an attractive, brash and quick-witted junior FBI agent. She was previously on 90210. (so says multiple sources)


a replacement??? I really liked Kirk! I liked that the show didn't have too many super hot FBI agents who probably can't act...but i guess I shouldn't judge or presume anything before I get some evidence.

[Stephy]

I have just read on a French website that, according Ausiello, the first scene of the season premiere in september begins with the death of Charlie Francis.
Were you informed ?? :what:

French source : http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18475338.html

[lezario]

En effet, la première scène du premier épisode de la saison 2 va débuter par la mort d'un des personnages principaux de la série et, on vous le donne en mille, il s'agit de... l'Agent Charlie Francis, interprété par Kirk Acevedo ! On se souvient que le pilote de la série commençait également sur une mort, celle du partenaire d'Olivia Duhnam joué par Mark Valley et cela ne nous a pas empêché de le revoir à plusieurs reprises dans la saison. Quelles seront les cirsconstances de cette mort soudaine ? On l'ignore encore.


It says that the first episode of seson 2 starts with
the death of a major character, Charlie Francis, and that the first season also started with a death : Olivia's partner, though we see John Scott several times after.
And we don't know the cause of the death yet
.

.... mggghpmmppfmfff...:cynical:

[Elliot]

Rats. I thought he filmed three episodes more? I suppose it was as his alter.

[lezario]

Rats. I thought he filmed three episodes more? I suppose it was as his alter.

French are not reliable :P
I hope they are wrong about this.....

[dach]

according to Ausiello

Question: Do you have any Fringe news? Pretty please, with a cherry on top that hasn't been soaked in high fructose corn syrup? --Tyre
Ausiello: I hear the opening sequence in the season premiere is going to be killer -- and I mean that literally and figuratively.

Question: Any tips about the second season of Fringe? --Lolotte
Ausiello: I can confirm that Charlie (the exiting Kirk Acevedo) does in fact appear in the premiere. I can also confirm that what happens to him will blow your frakkin' mind.

Source (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-gossip-fringe-greys-etc.html)

[justkickit]

Heh, Elliot. I sent you a pm.

[Elliot]

Heh, Elliot. I sent you a pm.
TA!

[justkickit]

Sorry, Elliot. Could you tell me if you received another pm from me. I don't think you did, as it seemed to expire when I tried to send it to you. The post vanished. Thanks.

[lezario]

according to Ausiello

Question: Do you have any Fringe news? Pretty please, with a cherry on top that hasn't been soaked in high fructose corn syrup? --Tyre
Ausiello: I hear the opening sequence in the season premiere is going to be killer -- and I mean that literally and figuratively.

Question: Any tips about the second season of Fringe? --Lolotte
Ausiello: I can confirm that Charlie (the exiting Kirk Acevedo) does in fact appear in the premiere. I can also confirm that what happens to him will blow your frakkin' mind.

Source (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-gossip-fringe-greys-etc.html)

alriiiiiight. Then I guess they were right about Charlie.

... :cynical:

[Elliot]

That looks then pretty obvious that he's a goner. Couple that with the cryptic words about "we've already seen another Charlie" and I have my suspicions about what that means. I just hope we don't do the 'evil twin' booshwa where Olivia gets fooled by him/can't tell the difference. I'd rather do the exploration of when the two alters meet, and what that does to their perceptions of reality.

[lezario]

If the alter-Olivia dies in our reality in that car crash and our Olivia is alive in the alter reality... When Ourlivia wants to come back, alter-Charlie follows her (he wants his Olivia back) but ends up killed by Our Charlie.

Killed by himself, irony.

[Fringified]

I don't know what to think now. I mean, this new spoiler definitely seems to confirm that Charlie did in fact get the boot, and they're embellishing this in the show with something "that will blow [our] frakkin' mind." But didn't Jeff Pinkner say that nothing is as it seems on Fringe? So I assumed that the alter-Charlie was fired, but I don't know. This speculation is really muddling my brain, so I'm just going to wait until September :P

[D-Roc]

Latest from Ausiello:


Question: Why is Kirk Acevedo leaving Fringe? His choice? Storyline dictated? --Dee
Ausiello: Storyline dictated. Charlie wasn't going to have much to do this season, and rather than waste Kirk's time, they cut him loose. But as I teased last week, we haven't seen the last of him.

EW (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-greys-bones-and-more.html)

[Elliot]

So is that cryptic for "he'll be back as charlie or alter charlie in season 3", do you think, or just that they have scenes in the can and will intersperse them in a few eps to make it look like he's not gone?

[Fringified]

Thanks, D-Roc! :)

I suppose that Ausiello's answer makes sense. If Charlie wasn't a major character in S2, then why keep him? But still, he was a great actor and I loved his character, so I'm sad he's leaving. :what: I hope this new agent will be as good as him, and that her looks aren't being used to attract more viewers. :( Oh well, it's been nice knowing you, Charlie. Hope you go out with a bang. :confused0006:

[lezario]

So is that cryptic for "he'll be back as charlie or alter charlie in season 3", do you think, or just that they have scenes in the can and will intersperse them in a few eps to make it look like he's not gone?

Right now I think we have to wait until season 2 to know....... :what:

[kivawolfspeaker]

If the alter-Olivia dies in our reality in that car crash and our Olivia is alive in the alter reality... When Ourlivia wants to come back, alter-Charlie follows her (he wants his Olivia back) but ends up killed by Our Charlie.

Killed by himself, irony.

Where are you getting that from? Just curious.

[lezario]

Where are you getting that from? Just curious.

From all the topic in the Spoilers Section that have Set Pictures.
Like this one (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3551)

edit : his is just a theory, not a fact.

[Fringified]

Right now I think we have to wait until season 2 to know....... :what:

I suppose so :(

[lezario]

So is that cryptic for "he'll be back as charlie or alter charlie in season 3", do you think, or just that they have scenes in the can and will intersperse them in a few eps to make it look like he's not gone?


Are they gonna use the alter-Charlie -who was as used as the original one- again ?
Or maybe he'sgoing to be transferred into another Fringe Division, in another pat of the world ? Since the "soft spots" multiplied on the earth ?

[Elliot]

Are they gonna use the alter-Charlie -who was as used as the original one- again ?
Or maybe he'sgoing to be transferred into another Fringe Division, in another pat of the world ? Since the "soft spots" multiplied on the earth ?
Oh, I like that; gives them more locations to go to, and multiplies the chances of seeing Charlie again. Though I would not like a "spin-off within a series", another Fringe Div that would dilute the storyline of The Three, that kind of stuff can stay in the comic books, thank you Very Much.

[lezario]

Oh, I like that; gives them more locations to go to, and multiplies the chances of seeing Charlie again. Though I would not like a "spin-off within a series", another Fringe Div that would dilute the storyline of The Three, that kind of stuff can stay in the comic books, thank you Very Much.

yep, no spin-off, but maybe a way to keep the story no USA centered. After all, the Hell Mouth was in Sunnydale, but one of the slayer was chinese. Heroes are all over the world, though they meet in the US...
We always come back in the USA...

I like the fact that Fringy events could cross over the borders.

[Elliot]

yep, no spin-off, but maybe a way to keep the story no USA centered. After all, the Hell Mouth was in Sunnydale, but one of the slayer was chinese. Heroes are all over the world, though they meet in the US...
We always come back in the USA...

I like the fact that Fringy events could cross over the borders.
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[lezario]

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr258/rareplan/bannerforelliot1.png

:P
http://img1.uplood.fr/free/wfdt_elliotagrees.gif

I don't mean to sound anti-american, but i'd like a french Fringe Division !
And i remember Broyles, in the original Pilot script, mentionned a french child in a hospital saying "God" in latin or else, and others case oversea.

[Fringified]

:P
http://img1.uplood.fr/free/wfdt_elliotagrees.gif

I don't mean to sound anti-american, but i'd like a french Fringe Division !
And i remember Broyles, in the original Pilot script, mentionned a french child in a hospital saying "God" in latin or else, and others case oversea.

You don't sound anti-American. Even though I live in America, it does kind of get a little tiring of seeing all these Fringe patterns in Massachusetts and surrounding areas, when we all know they happen all over the world. Seeing other Pattern events would definitely be interesting, and I agree completely.

[Elliot]

Yes! Even though Walter started it (the fringe-y holes), the ZFT etc have spread it around, the Steig boys' flight came from Hamburg, Jones was in prison in Germany, etc etc. And MD have subsidiaries everywhere, no? Plus, think of the scenery!! And the food!

And I remember Josh in some interview saying the intent was to have them Boston based, but to need to tend to patterny events all over. As Peter reads (& speaks~) German, Olivia speaks Mandarin, and Peter must speak Spanish and Amaru, that's three other continents right there.

[lezario]

Yes! Even though Walter started it (the fringe-y holes), the ZFT etc have spread it around, the Steig boys' flight came from Hamburg, Jones was in prison in Germany, etc etc. And MD have subsidiaries everywhere, no? Plus, think of the scenery!! And the food!

And I remember Josh in some interview saying the intent was to have them Boston based, but to need to tend to patterny events all over. As Peter reads (& speaks~) German, Olivia speaks Mandarin, and Peter must speak Spanish and Amaru, that's three other continents right there.

mh, food for Walter.

Don't forget Farsi. i'd love hear Peter speak that language.
And Charlie, doesn't he speak other languages too ? We haven't heard him !

[Fringified]

mh, food for Walter.

Don't forget Farsi. i'd love hear Peter speak that language.
And Charlie, doesn't he speak other languages too ? We haven't heard him !

I think one of the early S2 episodes are going to be based around the Iraq war, but I don't know if it will take place in Iraq.

[Xeen]

it does kind of get a little tiring of seeing all these Fringe patterns in Massachusetts and surrounding areas, when we all know they happen all over the world. Seeing other Pattern events would definitely be interesting

to say the least. broadening Fringe horizons would be a wise step towards achieving great writing. it's pretty obvious that the Pattern can't merely be Massachussetts based :P
not only it sounds foolish but bad thinking in terms of mythology development.

Xeen

[lezario]

Not only german, french !
As said in another topic on the board, lots of french too :

1x05
Jacob Fischer, the guy who experimented on the Electro Guy, Meegar, speaks french :
http://img1.uplood.fr/free/thumbnails/e2f7_jacobfisher.jpg (http://www.uplood.fr/visu.php?url=http://img1.uplood.fr/free/e2f7_jacobfisher.jpg)

1x13
"Conrad" Etienne Moreau, french citizen.
"I thought it would be Paris all over again"

1x15
Marie-Angélique Memmie LeBlanc, wild girl of Champagne, french.

1x19
Picture of one the twin in front of The Louvre, Paris, France.

Charlie, would you mind being part of Frinche Division ? :P

[Fringified]

Charlie, would you mind being part of Frinche Division ? :P

:haha:

[lezario]

Another french reference : Marshall Bowman was working in Marseille, France.

[Elliot]

And wasn't there some reference given to Olivia about a missed meeting or something, as bona fides, that referred to Paris?

[lezario]

And wasn't there some reference given to Olivia about a missed meeting or something, as bona fides, that referred to Paris?

i don't remember that.... :confused0006:

[Xeen]

And wasn't there some reference given to Olivia about a missed meeting or something, as bona fides, that referred to Paris?

absolutely !

Gavin says :"I thought it would be Paris all over again" -- and in French "oui mais à Paris c'était déjà le cas"

:happy15:

Xeen

[lezario]

absolutely !

Gavin says :"I thought it would be Paris all over again" -- and in French "oui mais à Paris c'était déjà le cas"

:happy15:

Xeen

ah, but i already mentionned this one :P


1x05
Jacob Fischer, the guy who experimented on the Electro Guy, Meegar, speaks french :
http://img1.uplood.fr/free/thumbnails/e2f7_jacobfisher.jpg (http://www.uplood.fr/visu.php?url=http://img1.uplood.fr/free/e2f7_jacobfisher.jpg)

1x13
"Conrad" Etienne Moreau, french citizen.
"I thought it would be Paris all over again"

1x15
Marie-Angélique Memmie LeBlanc, wild girl of Champagne, french.

1x19
Picture of one the twin in front of The Louvre, Paris, France.

[xofringe314]

Maybe you guys should make another thread for this! You have so many ideas!

[Xeen]

Maybe you guys should make another thread for this! You have so many ideas!


Lez you're the master, your call :D

[lezario]

Lez you're the master, your call :D

So... you want me to create a "Spotting Foreign Countries References" Thread ?

[Xeen]

So... you want me to create a "Spotting Foreign Countries References" Thread ?

yes, yes, yes...

huh :haha:

well we still have to find the perfect title...

Xeen

[Fringified]

Yeah, there really are so many ideas and references; they could all tie in one episode :P

[lezario]

ok, thread was born, let's back to Charlie.

[Fringified]

I'm still in an outrage over Charlie :mad:

[lezario]

I hope they won't just "kill and et over it", because Charlie was interesting.

[Fringified]

I hope they won't just "kill and et over it", because Charlie was interesting.

Yeah, at least make it last a while. Give Kirk some respect!! :mad:

[Elliot]

I'm still hoping for him to return from time to time--couldn't he be a recurring guest? They have Nimoy for Bell, but you know (and I devoutly wish) we won't be seeing him in every episode.

[Fringified]

I just don't see why Charlie doesn't have a big part in this season. Is it going to be so unserialized that he can't even join their investigations??

[Elliot]

From the Great Beyond, you mean? I think he's not being serialized, at all. I'm not one for the serialization (yes I know that sounds insane, coming from one of the color collectors) as much as characterization, but it will be ....less, without him.

[justkickit]

I suppose it depends on what sort of stories they want to tell this season, and where the characters fit into the ongoing mythology they will persue. They know the end game and each season they work up to that. I guess we will find out where Charlie fits into it all when the new season starts.

I don't think they will stray from the format that they had last season. However, I think the general consensus is that the second half was better, because they concentrated more on the mythology. However, it's all going to depend on how they go ratingswise I think. Whatever format gives them the ratings for season 3, then my guess is that is the one they will continue to use. The competition this season is very fierce.

[Fringified]

I suppose it depends on what sort of stories they want to tell this season, and where the characters fit into the ongoing mythology they will persue. They know the end game and each season they work up to that. I guess we will find out where Charlie fits into it all when the new season starts.

I don't think they will stray from the format that they had last season. However, I think the general consensus is that the second half was better, because they concentrated more on the mythology. However, it's all going to depend on how they go ratingswise I think. Whatever format gives them the ratings for season 3, then my guess is that is the one they will continue to use. The competition this season is very fierce.

I would just be angry if they're taking out Charlie and substituting him with a beautiful, new agent just for the ratings :(

[biting_luck09]

This is crazy! I love Charlie! What in the world could possibly happen for them to boot him out? Charlie is a very interesting character and if they think booting him out will promote ratings (unless he left the show in a huge way making fans want more) then they could be making a mistake.

[Elliot]

I think the general consensus is that the second half was better, because they concentrated more on the mythology. However, it's all going to depend on how they go ratingswise I think. Whatever format gives them the ratings for season 3, then my guess is that is the one they will continue to use. The competition this season is very fierce.
I have to disagree on the "general consensus" idea there. I know dyed in the wool Losties prefer Fringe to be all about the mythology, but those of us who came to Fringe without the frame of Lost, don't.
Plus JJ said he was tired of always having to explain the mythology parts and wanted it to be understandable without the mythology.

And I liked the first half better for the character development as well; it began to be that they were 2-d comic book characters, Olivia became more rigid, not less, even with the intro of her family which was to soften her image. Didn't work for me, she seemed more approachable in the early episodes.

It will be interesting to see what the new writers do.

[lezario]

I think the general consensus is that the second half was better, because they concentrated more on the mythology. However, it's all going to depend on how they go ratingswise I think. Whatever format gives them the ratings for season 3, then my guess is that is the one they will continue to use. The competition this season is very fierce.


I'm tired of Lost mythology. I don't want this to happen on Fringe.
Mythology is cool for a fantastic/fantasy world like Lost, but Fringe is about science and technology. They might add a bit of "history" and "timeline", but no giant four toes hippopotamus statue.

If Fringe turns into Lost, i think I'll look for an open window.

[trippingonclouds]

I have to disagree on the "general consensus" idea there.

(...)

And I liked the first half better for the character development as well (...) Didn't work for me, she seemed more approachable in the early episodes.

I agree wholeheartedly.

[ScienceQueen18]

Thankfully, I think due to the uproar of fans, and how upset they were over losing Charlie, he is back :)

Which is good.

But I'm bias. (points at banner and laughs)

[justkickit]

In a recent interview they asked Kirk about this. He said that when he was told about being killed off in season 2, at the same time they mentioned they wanted him to come back for the end of the season. So, because the writers seem to plan the whole season out before a season starts, they knew at the beginning that they wanted altCharlie in the finale.

[ScienceQueen18]

Well good. lol