Why are they so nice?

[homerj]

they treat their victims really well, they are polite to them. and if they were REALLY evil then why let them live after they took the brain parts out of them? why not just take the piece out and leave them for dead?

[zadok]

Their ethics chapter was intact. :P

[JDunham]

i think they dind kill the victims because they didnt want the FBI or Olivia knew about then and about what they r doing

[Omniscient_Jay]

they treat their victims really well, they are polite to them. and if they were REALLY evil then why let them live after they took the brain parts out of them? why not just take the piece out and leave them for dead?

Who says they are evil?

And who says we are the good guys, for that matter?

I see no problem with them treating their "victims" with courtesy. They are spies and soldiers, sent to perform their duty. We don't know enough about them to justify their actions yet.

Also, perhaps they are only supposed to kill if they are in danger, or are under some other directive or instructions instated by their superiors.

What would be the point of killing more people than necessary anyway?

:confused0006:...

[xofringe314]

Hmmm...I don't know.
I actually like Newton at first because he was so nice (of course then he went and poisoned Walter).
Villains who are nice are cooler, aren't they? IMO they are. :)

[Omniscient_Jay]

^indeed.

Newton FTW. :happy15:

[Montecito]

Cause the Leader is a cool guy..:coolgleam:

[Omniscient_Jay]

How awesome would it be if Jones and Newton had tea together? :confused0066:

[lettherebelove]

Not crazy about the newton guy...but i think politeness in villains(as we assume) makes them seem more evil. Like their evilness in set in other ways rather than just violence and killing (if that even made any sense)

[monne]

And it also reinforces the idea that they are not necesserily the 'evil' side anyway ... they are the villain because they are working against our main characters, but does that have to mean our side is exclusively right and theirs is wrong? I don't know, the politeness of Newton (and Jones, for that matter) just seem to fight against the idea that on Fringe everything is black and white. For all we know, Walter started the war by taking Peter, and that side is just trying to deal with the aftermath.

[Mutsie]

And it also reinforces the idea that they are not necesserily the 'evil' side anyway ... they are the villain because they are working against our main characters, but does that have to mean our side is exclusively right and theirs is wrong? I don't know, the politeness of Newton (and Jones, for that matter) just seem to fight against the idea that on Fringe everything is black and white. For all we know, Walter started the war by taking Peter, and that side is just trying to deal with the aftermath.

I think they aren't evil but "beings" who do everything what they get told from the other side. I see them as puppets. They aren't completely human and they contact with their "Boss" {or how it may called} by the famous Typewriter Selectric 251 and do what they are told.

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I believe the one hidden in "the mirror" {alter world} is the true Villain!

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[monne]

I think they aren't evil but "beings" who do everything what they get told from the other side. I see them as puppets.

Yes, I would agree with this. Maybe not for the case of Newton himself, but the other shapeshifters. But of course there is somewhat of a parallel there with these 'puppets' and the other FBI agents of the Fringe division? If we ignore what they are doing, both groups of people are still just taking orders and carrying them out. My point was more that maybe the entire side they are working for may not in fact BE evil - they have a different agenda (for reasons we are not fully aware of yet - possibly their world has been wrecked by actions from our side). Why would they not be polite to a person they are not meaning to hurt, if they were actually decent people, just working towards something that happens to clash with the Fringe division. IDK if I'm making sense.

[King_Nothing]

I would say "because they're British", but the other explanations seem more likely.

[lettherebelove]

I would say "because they're British", but the other explanations seem more likely.

HAHA:haha: If that were so, this show would be sooo much easier

[Mutsie]

I would say "because they're British", but the other explanations seem more likely.


:haha: Good point still I like British people ;)!

**Perhaps it IS someone from our side who give the shapeshifters "orders" ... For some reason I have a gutt feeling about it, that when we finally {and according to the producers we still have 4 seasons to go!} will get to the climax we will get a kind of the MATRIX-effect ..... Sleepercells {Dreamworld} and that it all was created by Mr. Belly himself...

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[lettherebelove]

^ Did they say 4 seasons? YAYYY

[Montecito]

^ Did they say 4 seasons? YAYYY

Yeah. The plan is for 6 seasons. We will see if Fox supports it.
SIX Seasons Planned! (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5211)

[aeryn]

Newton isn't the one that put foreign brain matter into those people and made them crazy for years. Just by taking it out he is being nice to them, by giving them back their sanity....maybe he felt they deserved some sanity for a while whether or not he plans on attacking our world. The only person he was really mean to was Walter, who he probably thinks deserves it in some way for stealing Peter, or whatever resulted from that between the two worlds.

[Montecito]

Newton isn't the one that put foreign brain matter into those people and made them crazy for years. Just by taking it out he is being nice to them, by giving them back their sanity....maybe he felt they deserved some sanity for a while whether or not he plans on attacking our world. The only person he was really mean to was Walter, who he probably thinks deserves it in some way for stealing Peter, or whatever resulted from that between the two worlds.

No. That was Bell.

[Mutsie]

{ I need to say this with a dark voice!}}

... and the remarkable thingie is: everything leads back to Bellllllll...


:shiny:

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[lettherebelove]

{ I need to say this with a dark voice!}}

... and the remarkable thingie is: everything leads back to Bellllllll...



Lol, we always said that for Massive Dynamic. :D

[johnyjep]

What if it was Walter that left the blight on the other side when he took Peter. When he was whole, he seemed pretty evil and when heard about the blight and asked "how things are on the other side" it seemed like a jab. What if Bell went to the other side to try and help mend things. That would explain why Belly seemed to doing so well for himself.

[Mutsie]

Lol, we always said that for Massive Dynamic. :D

**Dark voice again**

Massive Dynamic = Bellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll :D


@Johnyjep:
What if it was Walter that left the blight on the other side when he took Peter. When he was whole, he seemed pretty evil and when heard about the blight and asked "how things are on the other side" it seemed like a jab. What if Bell went to the other side to try and help mend things. That would explain why Belly seemed to doing so well for himself.Great thinking, sweetie :happy15: .. still I think Walter was very desperate and desperate people can make "evil" decissions but it doesn't mean that he is an evil person himself....
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[King_Nothing]

**Dark voice again**

Massive Dynamic = Bellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll :D


@Johnyjep: Great thinking, sweetie :happy15: .. still I think Walter was very desperate and desperate people can make "evil" decissions but it doesn't mean that he is an evil person himself....
:tiphat::observer:
Maybe his taking Alter-Peter somehow caused the Blight. I can't imagine why, but maybe it caused some kind of... instability in the universe(s).

Have we ever considered the possibility that the Walter we know is actually Alter-Walter, and ours is the evil one? Just theorizing...

[Quill]

I would say "because they're British", but the other explanations seem more likely.
The truly evil are the British sporting goatees.

[Mutsie]

Maybe his taking Alter-Peter somehow caused the Blight. I can't imagine why, but maybe it caused some kind of... instability in the universe(s).

Have we ever considered the possibility that the Walter we know is actually Alter-Walter, and ours is the evil one? Just theorizing...


OOh, that would be AWESOME :happy15:.. Our Walter the dark and evil one and Alter Walter as we know as "our" Walter.... That would a great one.... Still
it reminds me of that woman who actually can "see" people/shapeshifters se noticed a certain glow on them {by using drugs, ofcourse} and she also noticed one @ Peter... so basically Alter Walter must have that glow too, so our Walter isn't Alter Walter than... right?
(O dear I'm confused now}.....

:tiphat::observer:

[King_Nothing]

OOh, that would be AWESOME :happy15:.. Our Walter the dark and evil one and Alter Walter as we know as "our" Walter.... That would a great one.... Still
it reminds me of that woman who actually can "see" people/shapeshifters se noticed a certain glow on them {by using drugs, ofcourse} and she also noticed one @ Peter... so basically Alter Walter must have that glow too, so our Walter isn't Alter Walter than... right?
(O dear I'm confused now}.....

:tiphat::observer:
Evil Walter could have found some way to get her not to notice the "glow".

This all assuming that any Walter is evil at all. There's no actual proof, just speculation. There's as much proof of Walter being evil as there is Astrid :P

[Mutsie]

I know that in the "alter world" that everything is "slightly"different so it is a possibility that Alter Walter is evil.....

OOH, that means that alter Oliva {I sure hope we gonna meet her!} also is slightly different. Than I have the question: does Alter Olivia had the same procedure than our Olivia had? We know that when "our Olivia" had those flash-moments and when she entered "Alter Broyles" office, Broyles re-act "normal" to her so basically Alter Olivia is a FBI agent as well does that mean that she is kind of a choosen one to in the alter World????

:tiphat::observer:

[Point]

OOh, that would be AWESOME :happy15:.. Our Walter the dark and evil one and Alter Walter as we know as "our" Walter.... That would a great one.... Still
it reminds me of that woman who actually can "see" people/shapeshifters se noticed a certain glow on them {by using drugs, ofcourse} and she also noticed one @ Peter... so basically Alter Walter must have that glow too, so our Walter isn't Alter Walter than... right?
(O dear I'm confused now}.....

:tiphat::observer:

I thought about that too! At first I thought it would be a total shock, then I felt that that revelation might actually be too confusing for the casual audience, plus now what you've said about the woman. :P


I know that in the "alter world" that everything is "slightly"different so it is a possibility that Alter Walter is evil.....

OOH, that means that alter Oliva {I sure hope we gonna meet her!} also is slightly different. Than I have the question: does Alter Olivia had the same procedure than our Olivia had? We know that when "our Olivia" had those flash-moments and when she entered "Alter Broyles" office, Broyles re-act "normal" to her so basically Alter Olivia is a FBI agent as well does that mean that she is kind of a choosen one to in the alter World????

:tiphat::observer:

If Alter Olivia is THE chosen one for THEM, it again brings up the subject of neither side being evil. I mean, can anyone imagine Olivia being the chosen one for something evil? Like I don't know...Hitler??? Then again the title "Chosen One" kind of loses its significance when there are zillions of alternate universes and zillions of other "Chosen One's".

[empty_encounters]

I think one point of Fringe mythology is that of the infinite alternate universes, only two 'collide.'

[teknocrat]

If they were mean to everyone and just walked in a shot everyone there would be no room for development they could have sent the terminator back but that would suck

Polite evil guys with accents make the best bad guys