I didn't remember the recurring characters.

[TimeforTravel]

Hi guys. I loved this new episode and I'm a big Fringe fan but not as die-hard as the most of you. So I need some memories back.

Who was Nick Lane again. I remember he was a cortexiphan kid who could deliver other people his own emotions.

Who was the blonde girlfriend of his? I remember an episode in which a woman exploded. (her twin?) Why did she have this powers?

The guy named Lincoln recognised Nick. Who was he again?

The boyfriend of alt Olivia. Who is he again? :p

I'm quite bad at remembering faces so could you guys help me out here?

Bonus question: Is Over There Part 2 40 or 80 minutes long? I guess 30. :(

[Quill]

Hi guys. I loved this new episode and I'm a big Fringe fan but not as die-hard as the most of you. So I need some memories back.

Who was Nick Lane again. I remember he was a cortexiphan kid who could deliver other people his own emotions.
Nick Lane is from 1.17 Bad Dreams (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=114). As a child, he was Olive's "partner" in the Cortexiphan trials, and due to the experiments developed the ability to affect other people with his moods.


Who was the blonde girlfriend of his? I remember an episode in which a woman exploded. (her twin?) Why did she have this powers?
Sally Clark, another Cortexiphan kid. It's unknown where she came from, as the characters in The Road Not Taken were Susan Pratt and Nancy Lewis. I'm assuming she's the "Susan Pratt" stand in for this episode. Perhaps they were unable to get the original actress.


The guy named Lincoln recognised Nick. Who was he again?
Lincoln is the leader of the Alternate World Fringe Division. He apparently knows AlternateNick.


The boyfriend of alt Olivia. Who is he again? :p
Unknown, but from the Alternate Universe. Most likely a John Scott substitute, since it would be too awkward getting Mark Valley back as he is currently divorcing Anna Torv (not to mention has his own series, Human Target).


Bonus question: Is Over There Part 2 40 or 80 minutes long? I guess 30. :(
It's only airing for 1 hour, so it will probably be only 43 minutes of actual film.

[lettherebelove]

Nick Lane was the guy is the ep Bad Dreams. The one where olivia kept having these nightmares that she was killing people and when she woke up she realized that they actually happened(pushing woman off subway, stabbing guy in restaurant). She found out that she knew that they were happening coz' her and Nick Lane are connected because they were Cortexiphan buddies when they were younger and Nick Lane is the one responsible causing all the incidents coz' he's infecting peole with his emotions.

Nick's blonde gf(sally) is new. The other girl(the twin from s1) was a different girl i believe.

Lincoln is also new. Though i swear i've seen him somewhere. Like you said, he recognized Nick so...:confused0006:

alt-Olivia's lover is completely new as well. I think it was supposed to be John but i guess they couldn't get Mark Valley..

[the_Big_X]

Did all of the Crotexiphan kids die (including the ones in the fireball explosion)? If so, I'm glad that they got rid of the pretty quickly, otherwise the show would have become sort of an X-Men rip-off. Those guys were cool for one episode (although it would have been interesting to see a little more of their abilities put to use), but if they became long-term cast members and members of the Fringe Division (as I originally thought they would when they were introduced last night), it would have just ruined the group dynamic that has been established, and there would be less for the non-powered characters to do.

But yeah, I think it might have been a better idea for them to be killed off in Part II.

[Quill]

Did all of the Crotexiphan kids die (including the ones in the fireball explosion)? If so, I'm glad that they got rid of the pretty quickly, otherwise the show would have become sort of an X-Men rip-off. Those guys were cool for one episode (although it would have been interesting to see a little more of their abilities put to use), but if they became long-term cast members and members of the Fringe Division (as I originally thought they would when they were introduced last night), it would have just ruined the group dynamic that has been established, and there would be less for the non-powered characters to do.

But yeah, I think it might have been a better idea for them to be killed off in Part II.
The ones they used this episode were killed off, but there are still other Cortexiphan kids out there, particularly from the Ohio trials.

[lettherebelove]

Did all of the Crotexiphan kids die (including the ones in the fireball explosion)? If so, I'm glad that they got rid of the pretty quickly, otherwise the show would have become sort of an X-Men rip-off. Those guys were cool for one episode (although it would have been interesting to see a little more of their abilities put to use), but if they became long-term cast members and members of the Fringe Division (as I originally thought they would when they were introduced last night), it would have just ruined the group dynamic that has been established, and there would be less for the non-powered characters to do.

But yeah, I think it might have been a better idea for them to be killed off in Part II.

Yeah there are. Theres like a list of them that olivia took down when they went to jacksonville and i think most of them are deceased but theres still a couple that are alive or haven't met yet. Remember, Broyles said that MD had other cortexikids training in their facility(i think he said 5?) but those three were the ones that showed the most aptitude.

and i gotta agree with you on the whole x-men vibe thing. I couldn't help but think it was kinda looking like Heroes(esp. the fireball thing) which i wasn't overly ecstatic about. But i was quite annoyed that they killed all 3 of them in one episode. First guy dying is justified coz' there was actually a purpose to him dying, but it was kinda unnecessary to kill off Nick and that girl so early...they could've at least kept them til part 2 like you said.

[TimeforTravel]

Okay, so it seems some characters were actually new. though the show presented them in such way I felt I knew them already.

Too bad about the finale. They should have shown this one and the next weeks episode right after each other.

[superanth]

Did all of the Crotexiphan kids die (including the ones in the fireball explosion)? If so, I'm glad that they got rid of the pretty quickly, otherwise the show would have become sort of an X-Men rip-off.

That's really good point. I was all ready this morning to complain about them being used as cannon fodder, i.e. get us Over There and then dispose of any advantage they'd give us, but I suppose that would be too cool. <grumble>

Although I think Walter'd make a great Professor X ("Quickly Olivia! Tickle Nicolas so we can escape while everyone is laughing")

[TheOtherMe]

I am still wondering about Nick and Sally...I know Nick was shot, but I found it wierd that after Sally wheeled her fireball, that their bodies were 'gone' and that there wasn't even a whole in the ground or anything, just char marks/ Maybe they pushed themselves 'back' to the other universe? --But most likely this is wishful thinking on may part they probably actally split apart into ashes. I really liked Nick Lane. Hopefully we will see alter Nick sometime...

[superanth]

I am still wondering about Nick and Sally...I know Nick was shot, but I found it wierd that after Sally wheeled her fireball, that their bodies were 'gone' and that there wasn't even a whole in the ground or anything, just char marks/

I like that. I'd originally discarded that idea because her power is fire-based (and toasted Lincoln), but what if the same power they used to travel to the other universe pushed them back with flame by-product? After all, Lincoln was only 10-15 feet away and he was still alive afterwards. We should at least get Nick's charred skeleton left over from closer in.

Also, remember: Olivia manifested flame abilities when her dimension-shift abilities were coming into play, even though that's not her main power.

[Lawyerdude]

I was really surprised how they bumped off the three kids so quickly. When we first learned about the Cortexikids, we were led to believe that they would be our protectors. Now it looks like they're all dead except for Liv.

I was thinking that it would be a cool idea for new direction for the show to take. Olivia leading a team of differently-powered individuals and fighting off threats from the other side. But the healer gets cancer'd, the empath gets shot, and the pyrokinetic gets vaporized.

Overall, I think it was a pretty cool setup and then subversion, to show the potential superheroes and then show that they can get killed off as easily as anybody else.

[BishopBC]

I thought Lincoln was Alter Nick?

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

Was anybody else yelling at the TV for Sally "Fireball girl" to take her dang coat off? Or jump in the water? Or find a refrigerated section in a grocery store?? Come on, if you are literally burning up, take the frikkin coat off, maybe that would help you out...

[Lawyerdude]

Was anybody else yelling at the TV for Sally "Fireball girl" to take her dang coat off? Or jump in the water? Or find a refrigerated section in a grocery store?? Come on, if you are literally burning up, take the frikkin coat off, maybe that would help you out...

Not until just now. Ha. Fringe Science laughs in the face of reason!

[luinthoniel]

i think the reason why sally and nick's bodies werent found is because they traveled back to their own universe.

[Finestela]

Also, I just don't understand why Sally had to be throwing fireballs (which caught the attention of Lee, causing Nick to be shot)...

I mean I thought it's been established in "There's More Than One of Everything" that these "firestarters" can just light people up with their mind (like what Nancy did to Harris) instead of throwing fire at people... That would be a much more effective way in attacking without drawing suspicion before it's too late.

[KaiserChicken]

Also, I just don't understand why Sally had to be throwing fireballs (which caught the attention of Lee, causing Nick to be shot)...


They could not control their powers as they would usually do in the alternate universe.

[Finestela]

They could not control their powers as they would usually do in the alternate universe.

I know, but still, wouldn't manipulation of fire (holding a fireball out of thin air) be harder than starting fire on something/someone? ;)

[KaiserChicken]

Certainly, but anyway we are not yet sure if she had this power, as we had never seen her before. We are basing our hypothesis on the assumption that she had the same power as the girl from season 1...maybe they are of a different kind ;)

[Ph8]

i think the reason why sally and nick's bodies werent found is because they traveled back to their own universe.

Personally I think they are dead, the blast that she let off bascially "incinerated" them into dust. They were both in lover with each other and didnt want to be apart. Sally sacrificed herself to "be with" Nick since he died and she was slowly dying herself.


Also, I just don't understand why Sally had to be throwing fireballs (which caught the attention of Lee, causing Nick to be shot)...

I mean I thought it's been established in "There's More Than One of Everything" that these "firestarters" can just light people up with their mind (like what Nancy did to Harris) instead of throwing fire at people... That would be a much more effective way in attacking without drawing suspicion before it's too late.

You ahve to remember that these people have been with Masive Dynamic and were in training to control and focus thier powers. Since all we saw was an untrained pyrotechnic before, we actually dont know what she would have been capable of if she learned how to control her powers.



Certainly, but anyway we are not yet sure if she had this power, as we had never seen her before. We are basing our hypothesis on the assumption that she had the same power as the girl from season 1...maybe they are of a different kind ;)


This is true, but as I have said before these people have been in training from Massive Dynamic to control and focus thier powers. We have no idea really what they can do until they are trained.

Ill put it like this. almost anyone can pick up a gun and shoot it, but it takes training to take the gun and hit a target from 1000+ yards. Also, I can kick and punch, but it would take training for me to turn it into effective kung fu\karate\kick boxing.

[Ph8]

They could not control their powers as they would usually do in the alternate universe.


Actually they probably would have been able to contro thier powers in the alt-universe. The BIGGEST problem was that James had over used his powers the night before they jumped (healing the people int he hospital). Walter made mention of this when they were tyring to figure out what was going on with them after they jumped. If James had never used his powers they probably would have came over "normally".

[KaiserChicken]

Actually they probably would have been able to contro thier powers in the alt-universe. The BIGGEST problem was that James had over used his powers the night before they jumped (healing the people int he hospital). Walter made mention of this when they were tyring to figure out what was going on with them after they jumped. If James had never used his powers they probably would have came over "normally".

They why do you explain that Nick could not control emotions and the girl was almost blowing up?

[lettherebelove]

i think the reason why sally and nick's bodies werent found is because they traveled back to their own universe.

Thats an interesting idea but i reckon they just disintegrated from the blast. Lincoln was further away so he just got seriously charred. Plus, suddenly traveling back to the other universe due to a fireball kinda makes no sense...

[Ph8]

They why do you explain that Nick could not control emotions and the girl was almost blowing up?

The reason was in the post you quoted. If you go back and watch, they ask out loud (to Walter) whats wrong. He says Im not sure (explination of what he thinks happened sorry I cant remember word for word)....He then asks them directly if either of them had used thier powers more then usual the night before they made the cross over, both of them of course answer no. The person missing (James aka Cancer Man) DID use his powers more then he usually does the night before. He went around healing people in the hospital. When he overused his powers he caused the crossing to "glitch", which meant they did not cross cleanly as they should have. The side effect of James using his powers was that all three of them lost control of thier abilities. We saw James dead, due to the cancer (he couldnt control it), we say Sally smoking, and Nick was unable to control anyones emotions.

[TheOtherMe]

Thats an interesting idea but i reckon they just disintegrated from the blast. Lincoln was further away so he just got seriously charred. Plus, suddenly traveling back to the other universe due to a fireball kinda makes no sense...


Well Olivia as a child could either wheel fire or electricity as seen from the results of her recorded experiemnt on the video tape Walter preserved.

-Now as an adult olivia has yet to ever do that agian, but she can travle to the other universe even though she can not control the ability...IMO the abilities are all interrelated, but that the cortexies have all come to develope more in one aspect of force, rather than all aspects, so it could be that even the ability to control fire-emotions also can be apart of reality travel because all force comes from the same essence of controling matter through emotions regardless of what prodect becomes more of an individualized specialty.

[Oblivionous]

They why do you explain that Nick could not control emotions and the girl was almost blowing up?

Because Walter asks them (Nick, Sally, and James) directly if either of them had used their powers more then usual the night before they made the cross over, both of them of course answer no.


The person missing (James aka Cancer Man) DID use his powers more then he usually does the night before. He went around healing people in the hospital. When he overused his powers he caused the crossing to "glitch", which meant they did not cross cleanly as they should have. The side effect of James using his powers was that all three of them lost control of thier abilities. We saw James dead, due to the cancer (he couldnt control it), we say Sally smoking, and Nick was unable to control anyones emotions.

That is incorrect however, Nick and potentially Sally both exerted their Cortexiphan abilities during their night-time "together-ness". So Nick, James, and maybe Sally all were equally to blame for the instability in their...abilities.

[FieryJack]

If you go back and watch, they ask out loud (to Walter) whats wrong. He says Im not sure (explination of what he thinks happened sorry I cant remember word for word)....He then asks them directly if either of them had used thier powers more then usual the night before they made the cross over, both of them of course answer no. The person missing (James aka Cancer Man) DID use his powers more then he usually does the night before. He went around healing people in the hospital. When he overused his powers he caused the crossing to "glitch", which meant they did not cross cleanly as they should have. The side effect of James using his powers was that all three of them lost control of thier abilities. We saw James dead, due to the cancer (he couldnt control it), we say Sally smoking, and Nick was unable to control anyones emotions.
Thanks for that fill-in Ph8, makes a lot of sense.

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[Ph8]

Because Walter asks them (Nick, Sally, and James) directly if either of them had used their powers more then usual the night before they made the cross over, both of them of course answer no.



That is incorrect however, Nick and potentially Sally both exerted their Cortexiphan abilities during their night-time "together-ness". So Nick, James, and maybe Sally all were equally to blame for the instability in their...abilities.

Actually, we know they ahve done that before (or often). Nick asks her "what do you want to feel tonight? What Im feeling or what your feeling, she answers "both". This implies that they have done this before, so its not new and wouldnt be considered over use of thier powers. Sally, did not use her powers (that we saw). James however not being able to go out previously, went to a hospital and started to heal people. Normally we would have to assume they have kept it small (he was only healing a rabbit in the beginning). Him going through the hospital healing a number of humans would be considered over use of this powers.

Walter's guess by the way was that there was a "break" in the human circuit......