Who's gonna save Olivia?

[giga17]

A very obvious storyline for next season is how they're gonna get Olivia back to where she belongs. So who is going to save Olivia?

1) Peter

Given that their love finally materialized in the finale, Peter is obviously gonna be super motivated to get Olivia back. We also find out that he's somehow symbiotically linked to technology that's probably related to the Observers. Will this power prove crucial?

2) Walter

As usual, the brains of the operation. He just might came up with something.

3) Sam Weiss

He obviously has a very special connection with Olivia, always playing the role of a mentor and a supporter. But would he be more well connected and powerful than he appears to be?

4) Olivia

She is after all a Cortexiphan kid. Will she be able to control her powers and cross back to our universe herself?


Which do you think is the most probable? And any other ideas?

[miley]

Definitely, I think Peter :happy15:
But my opinion is biased.

[Oblivionous]

I say that they should bring back Kirk Acevedo as AltCharlie, who has no wife or emotional ties to his world!!

He could be a part of the interrogation process (if the decide to interrogate Olivia) and have some emotional investment in the fact that his team member, OliviAlternate is gone. Plus she clocked him pretty good in that apartment. She explains and gains his trust. He busts her out, thus we have Charlie back and the whole Kirk-Acevedo-got-fired-but-the-producers-say he-wasn't will be true!!

Please let that happen!!

[Mutsie]

^ I think Olivia and her "activated" ability in combination with Sam Weiss... Don't ask my why but I really do believe that Sam = getting a very important key in Season 03 and Saving Liv....

:observer::tiphat:

[Jabberwock]

I think that it will be all of them together that bring Olivia back. I mean, even with the (LONG OVERDUE) love (at the very least attraction) between Olivia and Peter being acted on, there's still a very strong family vibe in the Fringe Division. While Peter appears to have possibly stepped over into the role of "boyfriend" or "beau", Walter is the "father", Astrid is the "little sister", Sam Weiss could be something of a "big brother", Broyles and Nina are the "creepy aunt and uncle that you see every so often".

So, I think it's going to be a combined effort, executed by all, with each member having a distinct action to perform, yet it would be unattainable without the collective effort. Maybe Cutthroat Bitc- I mean, Alt-Olivia will have some kind of action or part to play. Maybe they'll use HER as an energy source this time. >D

[stupidream]

I have no doubt they will all save her but I wonder for HOW long will it take for them to realise they brought the 'wrong' Olivia. That's what concerns me.

[Wondermind]

I agree with the Peter and Alter Charlie scenario. However, I think it might even be the Alternate-Olivia’s boyfriend as well. He too has a stake in this game. Once he realizes his Olivia is gone to another world he will want to get involved as well. How that happens, we don’t know, but the Fringe story line has a way of bringing back to full circle certain loose ends in later episodes.

[honghey]

I have no doubt they will all save her but I wonder for HOW long will it take for them to realise they brought the 'wrong' Olivia. That's what concerns me.

When peter want to kiss olivia again, then olivia said NO!:haha:

[KaiserChicken]

What if Weiss is not as a good guy as he seems to be? ;)

Besides, it appears that speculation on Weiss being alter-Bell was effectively terminated in this episode.

[Solid_Snake]

I think there is a very obvious answer. Walternate has just unwittingly activated Olivia's powers. Her powers can be controlled/activated when in fear (according to Jacksonville). She seemed quite terrified at the end and, if she becomes truly terrified I see no reason (besides, maybe, the fact that she hasn't trained) why she wouldn't be able to travel back.

[jordoo]

I think there is a very obvious answer. Walternate has just unwittingly activated Olivia's powers. Her powers can be controlled/activated when in fear (according to Jacksonville). She seemed quite terrified at the end and, if she becomes truly terrified I see no reason (besides, maybe, the fact that she hasn't trained) why she wouldn't be able to travel back.

Yep, Olivia herself will be able to cross over she just needs to realize it. The other thing I have to wonder is how did Alter-Liv cross over since she was never activated and knew nothing of the other universe until recently. Is she even a cortexiphan kid?

[Joana]

It's pretty much established that Walternate captured Olivia to give Peter a reason to come back.

[Solid_Snake]

Yep, Olivia herself will be able to cross over she just needs to realize it. The other thing I have to wonder is how did Alter-Liv cross over since she was never activated and knew nothing of the other universe until recently. Is she even a cortexiphan kid?

Well, the crack in the universe seemed to be still open from the theatre incident (it is implied that way). The device was designed to keep that crack open and make it bigger and more stable (maybe not stable, but definitely to keep it open) so they could pass (Bell states that Olivia wouldn't be powerful enough to power the device). It appears that the device would then create a bubble (it looked that way) and everyone inside could pass through to the other side. Hence why Bolivia could pass without Cortexiphan (as, since "B"ell never met Walternate, it is likely to conclude the trials never took place).

Unfortunately for her however, that does not mean she is immune from the side effects like OliviA is. To those that read what the glyph is, this also explains why she may have to visit Sam Weiss (Weiss being the glyph) and then Sam will realise just who she is but that is another thread.

As to the above user concluding that Walternate wants Olivia to bribe Peter, I think that it is illogical to assume that is the only/main reason. It is definitely a good idea, and is very possible, but we know nothing of Walternate's motives except his drive for revenge. Information is power, and we have not been told how much Walternate knows of our side. Him using OliviA to get information on our side , and then sending it to Bolivia would be important so Bolivia can keep her cover. As another user stated either in this thread or another, he may also be interested in how they crossed over. He is probably aware it is not the same way that he used (as the rip in the universe decreased whereas I imagine punching a hole through [twice nonetheless] would be more destructive) and would definitely be interested in how (as, maybe then, he could make advanced ShapeShifters with Cortexiphan or even adapt it to adults creating a full blown invasion) so he could modify it for his own use.

[dreego]

I have no doubt they will all save her but I wonder for HOW long will it take for them to realise they brought the 'wrong' Olivia. That's what concerns me.

I have a feeling that the first person who will notice this is the least one you'd expect. I say Ella or Rachel, while They might not be such important characters so to speak, they play an emotional key role in Liv's life. :confused0006:

There are many paths this road can take, I just imagine that eventually her behavior will give out clues to the rest of the team.

[MissKate]

Don't whack me, but I think the Alter-Sam Weiss will make our Olivia realize and activate her skill to cross over safely. I suspect the anagram (and I love that you guys spot these anagrams; I'm trying so desperately just to follow the story and keep everything straight that I miss a lot of visuals) does have significance, but the questions become: who wrote it, which one does it refer to, and can neither be trusted by "our" side, or "their" side, and are there differences between "our" Sam and "their" Sam?

I thought it was interesting that we learned why the Walters are different: both were trying to save their son; one had better technology and therefore was more successful, but I think the other one loved him more--and loved him enough to impose upon himself (more or less) irreparable brain damage.

Remember, the first 8 episodes of next season take place "over there" (if I am remembering correctly and I can't remember where I read that) so it's going to take a while to get our Olivias sorted out. So we're in for quite a ride.

[jnwrx1]

There may be no need to visit the alter-Sam Weiss. We may find out that there is only one Sam who crosses over whenever there is a particular crisis that needs his involvement. He is probably a pretty significant individual in the two universes colliding scenario. Why else would he work in relative obscurity on this side, other than to hide the momentous importance of his true self to the survival of the universe? Seriously... who would ever suspect the guy at the bowling alley?

It would be really interesting to see if, of all the characters, he turns out to be more crucial than we realize, and crosses over himself specifically to intervene and help Olivia get back safely. With so many hidden identities on our side of the two worlds, it's entirely possible there are many significant figures hiding on our side to protect their identities and true natures from the villains on the other side.

[stupidream]

I have a feeling that the first person who will notice this is the least one you'd expect. I say Ella or Rachel, while They might not be such important characters so to speak, they play an emotional key role in Liv's life. :confused0006:


Agreed. :)

[Olibrius]

I have a feeling that the first person who will notice this is the least one you'd expect. I say Ella or Rachel, while They might not be such important characters so to speak, they play an emotional key role in Liv's life.

Yeah.
When Alt-Olivia enters in "her" appartment, i was hoping for Rachel and Ella to be there, waiting for her...

[bookworm2342]

It's pretty much established that Walternate captured Olivia to give Peter a reason to come back.

I agree. When AltOlivia first came to his office, Walternate could tell there was something between Peter and our Olivia. He had this expression on his face that made it obvious.

[MissKate]

There may be no need to visit the alter-Sam Weiss. We may find out that there is only one Sam who crosses over whenever there is a particular crisis that needs his involvement. He is probably a pretty significant individual in the two universes colliding scenario. Why else would he work in relative obscurity on this side, other than to hide the momentous importance of his true self to the survival of the universe? Seriously... who would ever suspect the guy at the bowling alley?

It would be really interesting to see if, of all the characters, he turns out to be more crucial than we realize, and crosses over himself specifically to intervene and help Olivia get back safely. With so many hidden identities on our side of the two worlds, it's entirely possible there are many significant figures hiding on our side to protect their identities and true natures from the villains on the other side.

Dude, I rarely repost something and say "Agreed" or "my feelings exactly" but how you wrote this was so well done that I feel obligated to. Extremely well-done.

If there is only one Sam--since we are told repeatedly that there is more than one of everything--then where did the other one go? And how is he not as volatile molecularly as Bell if he has crossed-over at will? Unfortunately, that answer--while I think it may be accurate--feels almost too easy.

I think Ella will definitely be instrumental in "out"-ing FauxLiv as well. Her tell-tale Tattoo would be something noticed by both Bishops, but I wonder if what really sets her discovery up is something simple, like not knowing where she works. How would she know about the lab at Harvard? She's going to be missing a ton of information about both Bishops.

I think Astrid ultimately puts it all together (including information from Ella) and traps FauxLiv.

And although it still seems cliche, I think Sam rescues OriginalRecipe Liv.

[Meegs82]

I have no doubt they will all save her but I wonder for HOW long will it take for them to realise they brought the 'wrong' Olivia. That's what concerns me.

Yes, exactly. That's what concerns me, too. Part of me thinks that Peter couldn't possibly go on thinking for too long that the Liv that came back is HIS Liv. They KNOW each other, I don't think it'll take him too long. On the other hand, AltLiv already deceived them by crossing over with them...nobody noticed.

I think what it's going to come down to are her eyes. Peter tells AltLiv that his Olivia's eyes are a shade darker. That was intentional by the writers ('cuz they're brilliant) so that when Peter goes to stare into her eyes lovingly, he will realize that it's not his Olivia.

You would think that he'd realize this fairly soon since they kissed and he would expect her to continue to show affection towards him. And AltLiv already thinks that P&O are a couple, so she might just play along with Peter (which is going to be SO painful to watch for us Benchwarmers). I really think it's going to go so far that they sleep together...I cringe at saying those words, but it creates more drama and that's what fuels the show (especially from a writer's perspective).

Another part of me thinks that they could drag this out a bit, but in the process, AltLiv could begin to see "our" way of thinking and she could team up with our Fringe division 'cuz she finally realizes that our world isn't out to destroy hers.

[Rook]

I think Ella will be the first to notice that it's not her aunt. Just like Peter noticed when Walter kidnapped him when he was a boy. Maybe she'll tell Peter when he comes to work on a case with Olivia or take her on a *gulp* date. I hate the idea of him on a date with Bolivia. I think Peter will definitely try to save Olivia. I doubt it will be Sam, because we've been told not to trust him.

[The_war_is_already_on]

I think there is a very obvious answer. Walternate has just unwittingly activated Olivia's powers. Her powers can be controlled/activated when in fear (according to Jacksonville). She seemed quite terrified at the end and, if she becomes truly terrified I see no reason (besides, maybe, the fact that she hasn't trained) why she wouldn't be able to travel back.


That is so onto it. Yes every time olivias power is trigger by fear. That dark tiny room will scare her, exactly as she was in jacksonville.

What would be uber cool, is if she broke down completely, and then burst out of the containment in a pyro rage storm :D

I wonder what if anything does walternate know about cortixi kids?

Please note this was all alluded to in the season 2 promotional posters. It clearly shows olivia on their side, and walter and peter on our side, both with flashlights looking at the same place. Could make for some interesting storylines, as they both look for the way back for olivia...

Maybe olivia needs to steal tech from walternate? lol...

[Gambit]

I think more than likely Peter will be the one to rescue her. Let's remember that the main villain right now is his own father. So it makes sense for him to be the one to go back over. And the story of Walternate wanting Peter isn't done yet.

[Joy]

And although it still seems cliche, I think Sam rescues OriginalRecipe Liv.

I keep thinking about Sam too, he always seems to be in tune with OriginalRecipe Liv, almost like he can sense when something is wrong. He even came to her house, like he knew she needed him. I think he will be able to sense instantly that ExtraCrispy Liv is an imposter... but what can Weiss do? I wonder if his gift can cross the universes.

[Rekka]

I think Olivia will be used as "bait" to get Peter back on the other side. He will eventually see the obvious differences between Olivia & Alt-Olivia...and will make the conscious decision to go over to save her. OR it would be cool if Olivia's abilities activates again given her great stress and fear (in solitary confinement, in the dark! for who knows how long!!). Wow, that ending was our Character-based cliffhanger people were talking about...

[jamzxx]

They stated that Olivia's power was to travel between universes, but I think her powers aren't just limited to that. She has done so many other "paranormal" things and the fact that she is trapped in the black room, igniting her fear, new powers (if any) will emerge in season 3.

If her only power IS to travel between universes, then I don't think the black room will be what ignites her powers. I think Walternate will probably find some way to torture her to leak information, or do something absurd that will terrify her, then finally giving Olivia enough fear to travel.

This show is sick!

[darthleur]

In a much different perspective. Maybe Bolivia will be instrumental on getting back Olivia. After realizing "hey this is not a bad place after all, unlike what the secretary used to tell me."...Bolivia is still Olivia but blinded by the truths about the other side.

[tv_maniac]

As a shipper, I want it to be Peter. He knows her really well so I don't think it should take him too long to notice, plus he is highly motivated in finding her and would probably give himself up to them if it meant he knew she would be safe. Maybe a trade-off, I'd like to see that. Our side gets Olivia back if Peter goes back Over There.

I like the Alt-Charlie idea, he seems friendly and like he knows good from bad, so I think he'd know what Walternate is doing is wrong, maybe help her escape or just communicate with our side :confused0006:

Elizabeth? Someone on Twitter mentioned that the best way she can get to know he gone-again son is through our Olivia, maybe they'll form a friendship and Elizabeth would come back with Olivia?

I don't really mind :haha: I trust the writer's to do it well, whoever it is, I just hope she's not Over There for too long :(

[Rebe]

I hope its not due to her abilties. This show is not heroes nor wonderwoman. Olivia is in a cell in the dark, not sure how much power she has in a place like that.

[Avenged]

Man, a part of me is hoping to see a full blown assault on the other side by our Fringe division, together with Massive Dynamic.

[luinthoniel]

I think Sam Weiss and John Scott will save Olivia. Abrams has a pretty predictable storylines in third seasons where old returning characters play a certain important role all along.

[okapi]

I think Sam Weiss and John Scott will save Olivia. Abrams has a pretty predictable storylines in third seasons where old returning characters play a certain important role all along.

I think the universes will turn inside out before you see John Scott/Mark Valley on the show again.

[Fenvy]

I think there is a very obvious answer. Walternate has just unwittingly activated Olivia's powers. Her powers can be controlled/activated when in fear (according to Jacksonville). She seemed quite terrified at the end and, if she becomes truly terrified I see no reason (besides, maybe, the fact that she hasn't trained) why she wouldn't be able to travel back.

I can agree with that. Obviously, Walternate knows something Olivia doesn't. Plus, he's most likely using Liv as bait to get Peter back to the other side just so he can get that machine up and running. And I get the feeling Olivia is going to end up saving herself, which is what I really want for some stupid reason.

[Rook]

I can agree with that. Obviously, Walternate knows something Olivia doesn't. Plus, he's most likely using Liv as bait to get Peter back to the other side just so he can get that machine up and running. And I get the feeling Olivia is going to end up saving herself, which is what I really want for some stupid reason.

I think Olivia's abilities will activate, but that that will only allow her to blow up the cell using her pyrokenetic abilities. i think someone will need to come over here to save her, or else she might find a way on her own. I don't think that just her abilities will be enough, unless she trains herself. Or, maybe Walternate will figure out how she got over and will try to train her to do it again to get to Peter, but Olivia will use this training to escape.