Whats going to give alivia away?

[The_war_is_already_on]

I reckon its either peter observing her behaviour, her getting caught red handed or out in conversation, or perhaps the cortixiphan thing - her not having powers.

Seems like it cant go on for too long, she's not that similar to our olivia really, they are pretty different. Plus world differences, memory etc. Its hard to go undercover in such a manner.

[kinetickyle]

My money's riding on the fact that Olivia drinks and Bolivia doesn't or Bolivia's lack of a photographic memory. Perhaps a combination of the two. Peter's supposed to be so good at reading people, I'll be very disappointed if he's not the one that figures it out.

[Kind_of_Addicted]

I reckon its either peter observing her behaviour, her getting caught red handed or out in conversation, or perhaps the cortixiphan thing - her not having powers.

Seems like it cant go on for too long, she's not that similar to our olivia really, they are pretty different. Plus world differences, memory etc. Its hard to go undercover in such a manner.

There's something other than that...

The first time we get to see AltLlivia in "The Box" is when she's interacting with Newton, kind of preparing stuff for her mission. Now, I never actually liked Newton, but he always intrigued me (because he's not your typical soldier...) and I had no idea of what to think about Altlivia. By the end of that interaction, I realized one thing:

in addition to the huge problem that is not knowing who is Olivia Dunham until she came to our side (which makes everything a lot harder "You got a photographic memory. How am I gonna do that?" ...), she has this apparent impulsiveness, that mixed with something else I can't name (that "I don't care how long you've been here. This is my operation. You work for me" thing), mixed with the need to please the Secretary, all of that together will be her downfall. Yup. Even more than her slip ups (she should seriously stop smilling that much, it makes me want to :club: her . Honestly!)

And I'm still waiting to see how she's going to react to Ella...:confused0006:

[DVSone94]

AltLivia has a lot more self-confidence which you can see as she interacts with everyone in our dimension. Not the restrained Olivia who questions alot of what is happening. It's almost like a friend who is buzzed! LoL They are a whole different person......

[renni]

"one may smile, and smile, and be a villain--". Or, just as likely, some tiny difference between the universes will trip her.

[Temperance]

I like the theory that Atlivia gets discovered because of her lack of cortexiphan-ness. Maybe in one episode, they'll need her ability, and then she can't do it. Oops. That would be an interesting scenario.

[eh1eh]

There's something other than that...

The first time we get to see AltLlivia in "The Box" is when she's interacting with Newton, kind of preparing stuff for her mission. Now, I never actually liked Newton, but he always intrigued me (because he's not your typical soldier...) and I had no idea of what to think about Altlivia. By the end of that interaction, I realized one thing:

in addition to the huge problem that is not knowing who is Olivia Dunham until she came to our side (which makes everything a lot harder "You got a photographic memory. How am I gonna do that?" ...), she has this apparent impulsiveness, that mixed with something else I can't name (that "I don't care how long you've been here. This is my operation. You work for me" thing), mixed with the need to please the Secretary, all of that together will be her downfall. Yup. Even more than her slip ups (she should seriously stop smilling that much, it makes me want to :club: her . Honestly!)

And I'm still waiting to see how she's going to react to Ella...:confused0006:

Good points I agree. She definitely won't last long smiling and not tying her hair back.

Also I think Ella would know right away that something was very wrong with Aunt Olive.
:tiphat:

[jophan]

The problem with counting on Cortexiphan to give her away is that Olivia's never had that much control of her abilities anyway.

Other options:

Rachel calls Peter because Olivia's never called her since their return
MD builds Walter's Peter-detector into their security cameras
Nina refers Peter to Sam Weiss; BOlivia comes along and doesn't recognize him
Walter challenges her because she puts up with his crap without snapping at him
Peter mentions something that Olivia never put in a report and BOlivia fakes it badly

[possp]

I think it will be a combination of alot of little things that will be overlooked as they happen but then later on become blindly obvious. In The Box alone, Fauxlivia:
- didnt answer her phone
- said she was scared
- didnt seize on the opportunity to drink peter under the table
- searched a house alone with no backup and then gets peter to search it by himself (as a civ consultant, not a cop) when he arrives.

We all know that Olivia always answers her phone, loves her alcohol and that it takes a Jacksonville sized event to make her scared, and even then she will hardly admit it. These might have been small gaffes made by Fauxlivia knowing little about Olivia, and so they'll either decrease as she reads up more on Olivia or else they'll just keep getting more and more common.

As much as I want Ella to be the one who is the catalyst for our side realising they've got the wrong Olivia, or else a cortexiphan experiment that Fauxlivia obviosuly wont be able to do, i think it will end up being an observer who blatently spells it out to them. Ella might be intuitive and work it out the first, but shes just 7 and I dont think that Rachel or Peter will take her seriously if she tries to tell them that Fauxlivia isnt her aunt.

[onionsoup]

I think Bolivia interacting with Ella will definitely seal the deal. Ella means everything to her and Ella knows that. Ella and the 'family' have a close bond and Bolivia treating her like any other kid will ruin that. Also, I'm dissapointed in Peter. He's apparently good at reading people and he can't even tell the difference between another woman and the one he's supposedly so smitten with. If he does know and hes playing it cool I don't think he'd let it get this far.

[queenbeesteph]

I think the Olivia/Bolivia differences are great examples of showing how environment shapes you. You take our Olivias, born of the same parents, but have one parent die early in life for one, one be given cortexiphan injections and experimented on, one have a photographic memory vs. one with two parents and maybe not a crazy step dad,perhaps having normal childhood experiences, one being the best in the world at shooting and winning a gold medal, and so on... Even though they are the same, they are most definitely NOT the same, and who better to reveal that than a child (Ella). Children seem naturally intuitive (is that why Bell and Walter experimented on children). I agree with eh1eh that it is going to be Ella that figures it out. Olivia and Ella have connections which Bolivia will not know, or can't fake, when Ella brings them up! Ella will be suspicious right away!


"Uncle Walter, something's wrong with Aunt Liv..."

[prophecygirl]

i think it may very well be ella as well, and rachel may be one to believe her... over there, there is no more rachel, so we should expect that alt-liv will have some sort of emotionally charged reaction to seeing her (much like olivia realizing her mother was alive over there).

question: where are ella and rachel? if i remember correctly from last season, they were both staying with olivia... i can't imagine them moving out while she was "away", especially the way she left them (the necklace, the hug & tears).

[cambrielle]

I think Bolivia interacting with Ella will definitely seal the deal. Ella means everything to her and Ella knows that. Ella and the 'family' have a close bond and Bolivia treating her like any other kid will ruin that. Also, I'm dissapointed in Peter. He's apparently good at reading people and he can't even tell the difference between another woman and the one he's supposedly so smitten with. If he does know and hes playing it cool I don't think he'd let it get this far.
Peter is a dude; he is only thinking of one thing now that he and Olivia are, in his mind at least, together. They were going for drinks until Olivia saw him glimmer, so they have been attempting to initiate a relationship since then like "Normal People" whoever they are anyway. Even though Olivia officially declared her love in the season 2 finale, they were still trying to get together before that--albeit quite casually. So to Peter, he wants Olivia to well, be the woman already!

[impulse101]

My money's on some disparity between Olivia and Faux'livia, hopefully observed by Peter — who think, right now, is distracted by his feelings (for Olivia and otherwise) — or possibly Sam Weiss, if he comes back into the picture.

Wouldn't it be funny if it was as simple as Faux'livia forgetting to color her hair and her red roots start showing? =P

[Mutsie]

I think Olivia's Photographic Memory will expose A-Livia :D!
She doesn't remember certain crucial things from the past!

:observer::tiphat:

[touque]

Wouldn't it be funny if it was as simple as Faux'livia forgetting to color her hair and her red roots start showing? =P

I'm pretty sure Altlivias hair is also blonde no? Why else would she have hair dye in her house...

[impulse101]

Hmm, I thought maybe she went and bought it, but I guess not :ashamed0001:

[RETLAW]

Well if they ever caught her in the act of doing something scathingly out of the norm, like say shooting someone in the back of the head to cover her tracks, I think it would make everyone go "hmmm".

The build-up of her "off" behavior may tip them off and have Peter or someone follow her and catch her with Newton or in some other damning act..etc.

BUT...Can't wait till she meets up with Sam Weiss this season. I think ole' Sam would figure it out.

[tatka_sn]

Having rewatched The Box, I'm not that perplexed as before for our team not recognizing Olivia. Given the timeline it looks natural. If first half of the season going to portray just a few weeks, they can do switch plot OK, even if a little boring.

The problem with counting on Cortexiphan to give her away is that Olivia's never had that much control of her abilities anyway. Yes, that couldn't be key factor. First of all, Olivia's abilities were depending on her perception (rather hard to check), and second, Bell&Bishop didn't observe it scientifically (by detectors), so she can talk around her not-working abilities or even fake them (if Newton's file has enough information).
Absence of abilities, and her not knowing details about trials, can play into suspicions just like all other character differences, as arrogance or oversmiling.

Other options:
• Rachel calls Peter because Olivia's never called her since their return
• MD builds Walter's Peter-detector into their security cameras
• Nina refers Peter to Sam Weiss; BOlivia comes along and doesn't recognize him
• Walter challenges her because she puts up with his crap without snapping at him
• Peter mentions something that Olivia never put in a report and BOlivia fakes it badly



Our team can be warned by somebody from the AU Resistance (to continue the thought about possibility of AltNina being the leader of Resistance in Alt universe)
And one more: It was suggested that Observer can tip Walter about it.


...Can't wait till she meets up with Sam Weiss this season. I think ole' Sam would figure it out.
If there was "Don't trust Sam Weiss" message on the other side, can't it mean that Weiss is known on the other side? At least to someone. And AltOlivia can be prepared. Of course Sam being First People can have his own weird abilities.

[gillybee]

Could this be a message for AltLiv rather us the audience, whilst its only been two days I will give the team the benefit of the doubt but if in two weeks they are still oblivious I'm going to find it very hard to buy.

[RETLAW]

If there was "Don't trust Sam Weiss" message on the other side, can't it mean that Weiss is known on the other side? At least to someone. And AltOlivia can be prepared. Of course Sam being First People can have his own weird abilities.


If the message was for a current agent of Fringe DOD why would it be scrawled on a board in Walternate's old, abandoned lab, hidden in an anagram?

Alt-livia gets direct commands and briefings. If she or the AU Fringe are aware of Weiss, I would think she simply would be briefed on him. The anagram in OT Pt. 2 seem most likely to be directed at the audience, otherwise it is, well, quite lame.

We don't know if Alt-livia knows of Sam in any capacity (she still seems surprised about a lot of facets of Olivia's life and our universe in general). Working on that assumption a meeting with Sam would be very interesting.

(Now if she does have some AU knowledge of Sam that we are not privy of, that too, would be quite interesting). Can't wait for them to cross paths.

[Benaud]

I've been thinking about this to the point where I thought I'd peruse some forums to see what other people think.

The only conclusion I can come to is that her cover is already blown. For my money she should have been made 100% and nothing else would ring true.

It comes down to Peter, a character I really don't believe has had his time to shine in this show yet. Its the Walter-Olivia show for the most part.

But here's my reasoning.

-The man has a colossal IQ. I'm not sure its ever mentioned but I kind of get the feeling he is supposed to be smarter than Walter, just not knowledgeable in the field where Walter gets to continuously shine and more closed-minded than the abstract thinking Walter is capable of. Tbh I find a weakness of the show to be the underutilisation of Peter's supposed intellect.
-He's a con-man. Where he applies that massive intellect is reading and manipulating people. Even all his 'contacts' are because he knows how to read people most likely. He conned his way into being a professor of MIT didn't he? Can't remember the particulars. If the saying is true that it takes one to know one then the redhead has given herself away more than enough already.

Given the above and the fact that he has had ample time to really get to know Olivia and given how he clearly feels about her, I cannot conclude anything other than that he was convinced at the bar and then used an ironclad excuse of his being shaken after his exchange with Walter (which he makes sure to explain to her) to go and see her at her home to fully confirm it to himself and begin sounding her out.

And the best part is if I am right he is way better at the con than she is and is already cooking up how best to use her. It also means that when it gets revealed down the track how long he has been subtly working her that he finally looks hyper-intelligent for a change...

So both Olivias are now working for the other side and neither knows it. Oh the irony.

[tatka_sn]

The anagram in OT Pt. 2 seem most likely to be directed at the audience, otherwise it is, well, quite lame.
So, doesn't this mean that it is our side (over here) which must not trust Weiss? Was it already discussed somewhere?

The only conclusion I can come to is that her cover is already blown...
It comes down to Peter...
...how he clearly feels about her...
Despite whatever he feels (can be love, of course; for now, I think, he needed to be pretty angry at her for hiding truth about his origins), Olivia is his partner. If he knows that they left Olivia on the other side, wouldn't he be worried - and it would show? I do not see his face at 3.01&3.02 as a poker face.
If he really is hiding that enormous secret, he is truly Walter's son.

[quarteralien]

Given the above and the fact that he has had ample time to really get to know Olivia and given how he clearly feels about her, I cannot conclude anything other than that he was convinced at the bar and then used an ironclad excuse of his being shaken after his exchange with Walter (which he makes sure to explain to her) to go and see her at her home to fully confirm it to himself and begin sounding her out.


I want to believe this, and that's basically what I concluded after last week's episode. But unfortunately I don't see it. I think we would have seen some of that worry about her being on the other side in the last scenes when he is by himself fiddling with the box. No, as disappointing as it is, at this point I'm leaning toward him buying her act, hook line and sinker.

[Rook]

I think Ella will figure it out. She'll try to tell Rachel, but of course she won't believe her. Then Ella will tell Peter when he comes over or something and Peter will watch more carefully and realize it.

[jophan]

I'll add one more

Olivia makes it back on her own and calls Broyles and/or Peter

[AM]

I Think it will be Ella as well, maybe Rachael when she confronts Olivia about the necklace she gave Ella. I believe that necklace will have a lot of weight in revealing Altolivia.

And side note: I really hope this dumb peter thing doesn't last long. :hope: It kinda bugs me.

[Omniscient_Jay]

Didn't you guys hear? Alt-livia is staying on our side for good. :P

My ideal scenario would be to have Peter (or someone on the team) witness Altlivia doing something extremely suspicious, but not say anything. They would then begin to track her movements and catch her red-handed doing something/going somewhere/meeting someone that would give her away.

I hope the team finds out on their own, though. :hope:

[AM]

I have a feeling Agent Lee will end up over here... big maybe on altcharlie... Henry???

Maybe our team will just stay dumb dumbs and it will be them showing up over here that is the big reveal. Lee and altcharlie following Olivia to get theirs back.

Henry? Not sure why, I just think he would be happy over here. :P


I can see it now, Olivia walks in on Altolivia and Peter getting "close" and then her heart breaks into little peices then Peter thinks she IS Altolivia. :what::(

[aci79]

So both Olivias are now working for the other side and neither knows it. Oh the irony.

Better than cloning :P Walternate is getting two for the price of one.
It won't last long, I'm sure. Watch out for Dunhamnator!!

Altlivia just got her handbook on our world and Olivia. I'm wondering if she'll show some improvement in her acting skills.

I do think that Peter has found Olivia's behaviours a bit off since they got back, but not extreme enough for him to put the 2 and 2 together. He kind of embraces this side of Olivia with open arms. With everything that is going on around him and his supposedly "Destiny" with the machine, his current relationship with Walter, he doesn't need/want the "gloomy" Olivia.

If none of them noticed the "Fake Charlie" until Olivia got the facial recognition result on her phone, I would give them some time on the Altlivia situation.


Didn't Josh Jackson said that they will find it out through a hint? They'll probably spy on her based on the hint and see her doing something that she has no business doing.

[paca0502]

I think it will be because alterlivia puts out, and our Olivia doesn't.

[Benaud]

To clarify my point I meant that in my estimation both Olivias are being used by their respective other sides (or will be). Peter covertly for one, Walternate overtly the other. Not both working for the alternate universe.

To me, Peter is originally painted as having exactly the correct mind to out alt-Olivia and already has the clues to do it. Her handbook is too late.

There should also be no concrete way either we or alt-Olivia should 'make' him in return. The rest of his behaviour is what she would think someone that knew Olivia well would do and she thinks she has handled the bumps okay. Just like he wants.

Could be different of course but I'll be disappointed if they waste the opportunity to show Peter has observation and manipulation skills with a covert war getting underway. He's badly underused for a super genius.

[tatka_sn]

I've said somewhere that there wouldn't be Rachel or Ella before final exposing. If Rachel or Ella ever came into play, the game'll be over in a moment. If her goal was to fool them AltOlivia can pull something like a clinical depressia or any other thing which can provoke serious personality shifts. The only thing, she couldn't work in Fringe division with this kind of diagnosis :D.


I'll add one more

Olivia makes it back on her own and calls Broyles and/or Peter


Perfect. Didn't Torv already made a joke on it? She'd said something like "I run around and kick ass and the boys are sitting at home" :D


To clarify my point I meant that in my estimation both Olivias are being used by their respective other sides (or will be). Peter covertly for one, Walternate overtly the other...
[Peter is] badly underused for a super genius.
That would be good plot, except the last phrase still rings true :D.

[doremi123]

I prefer the whole team especially Peter will find it out. The 'dumb thing Peter' also really annoys me, he's supposed to be good at reading people. I think the whole team especially Peter already suspected alt-olivia since she didn't answer her phone and went to check on the house alone without Peter. The alcohol thing maybe could fool Peter but this time hope not. After the alt-olivia killed the deaf guy and saw the blood so she tried to attract Peter's attention out, I think Peter knew it, but he's acting cool to get more about her.

But it would be interesting too if Ella or Sam join the party too ^_^

[gillybee]

I think it will be because alterlivia puts out, and our Olivia doesn't.
:lolol::lolol::lolol::lolol:

[queenbeesteph]

Oh, you guys are good! I said earlier I thought it would be Ella who discovers Fauxlivia, but I had forgotten about the necklace. I think Rachel will NOT believe Ella, but Walter will. And I think the necklace will somehow be the clue! Good job guys!

[dunham]

It would be nice to have Ella say to Bolivia/Altlivia/whatever "You're not my Aunt Olivia" in front of Peter. Like little Peter said to Walter "You're not my father".

[BishopFan]

As far as Ella/Rachel discovering it, seems far fetched, because they don't know of the alternate universe existence, and of doubles. Sure they might think she behaves odd, but they won't think alternate directly. They could attribute it to stress or smthng.


I've been thinking about this to the point where I thought I'd peruse some forums to see what other people think.

The only conclusion I can come to is that her cover is already blown. For my money she should have been made 100% and nothing else would ring t...........h the irony.

If this was true, Peter would be worried for the real Olivia, he would definitely have taken steps to help Olivia. Yes, it does seem his intelligence is being underused, but if he did know, he would be on her more, tapping phone, following. But we see that he's working on the machine/box. But the main thing stays that he would take steps to help the real Olive.

As opposed to her cover being blown, I think she will start to change sides, when she sees that the image that Walternate created of our people, that we're monsters is wrong. I think she will be more and more engaged in saving both sides towards the end of the season. It's just a theory.(because she expresses empathy when killing the deaf cousin)

Pertaining to how the cover will be blown, I think it will be Peter, so that the writers will show his skill of reading people(i think):confused0006:

[Six-fingered Girl]

As far as Ella/Rachel discovering it, seems far fetched, because they don't know of the alternate universe existence, and of doubles. Sure they might think she behaves odd, but they won't think alternate directly.


Great point! Several people have commented that Olivia's family will notice something wrong, but we can't assume they would know why. Rachel and Ella may notice something off, but their observations will only lead to Altlivia's outing if they tell Peter about them and he has the gumption to put two and two together. At some point, AltLiv have to have made so many mistakes that some little thing just tips the scales. It could just as easily be Rachel noticing something as Peter.

I hope they at least bring Rachel and Ella in to meet AltLiv, because if they didn't it would be like introducing a gun in the first act that is never fired. I'm not worried. These writers know how to handle their characters.

[LovinSha]

I'll add one more

Olivia makes it back on her own and calls Broyles and/or Peter


:haha: You know as funny as that sounds, I can actually see something like this happening.

Something tells me that yes there will be little things about AltLiv's personality that will make Peter and co. suspicious but it's gonna take something big and outta the blue to finally expose AltLiv and I wouldn't be surprise if either Olivia comes back or hell AltLiv just decides to finally confess or something...like she puts a gun to Peter's head and says "yeah I'm AltLiv, sorry." :P

That's the scenario I see most likely happening.

[tatka_sn]

... she will start to change sides, when she sees that the image that Walternate created of our people, that we're monsters is wrong. I think she will be more and more engaged in saving both sides towards the end of the season. It's just a theory.(because she expresses empathy when killing the deaf cousin)
First of all, there is brainwashing and brainwashing (not our!Olivia-style:P). You recieve information since kindergarden (nursery, actually), and it became hardwired into you. It's celebrations at nursery, special lessons, it's newspaper articles ant headlines, it's the talks grow-ups have when children are not near (but they're listening anyway). To change perception programmed since that early the world around must change drastically. And the only people who would be really free from that preconceptions will be kids who'd grew in already changed world.

Will she fall in love with Peter so hard that we'll get a new Taras Bulba story (wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba), don't have suitable english literature association :confused0006: maybe something Kipling?) - about a person who betrayed his motherland for his love interest?
Except it's not a result of intestine conflict at stake - it's lives of millions. So, not gonna happen.

Actually, the way Newton said that phrase about allure made me think. If Newton is some kind of pre-programmed shapeshifter, that's why while finding our universe attractive he is venomous to our side - it's the thing that was programmed. But he'd seen people taken by this side.
Can AltOlivia change her perception of our world? Her feelings? She can, and she will, if Newton's words are any indication. Will she work on our side? I think never.
Whatever AltOlivia thinks about our side, her first and foremost responsibility (and emotional investment) is for her own world.

Pertaining to how the cover will be blown, I think it will be Peter, so that the writers will show his skill of reading peopleAnd I want this scenario for the same reason :).

Rachel and Ella may notice something off, but their observations will only lead to Altlivia's outing if they tell Peter about them and he has the gumption to put two and two together.
Peter is balancing the line between noticing and not knowing. And if Rachel begin pestering Peter about what is wrong with her sister, won't it be the thing that pushed him in the right direction?
But you made me think that (maybe) revealing won't be that quick even with Rachel&Ella in picture.




Olivia makes it back on her own and calls Broyles and/or Peter

just at the moment when Peter confronts AltOlivia at last!:D

[Six-fingered Girl]

First of all, there is brainwashing and brainwashing (not our!Olivia-style:P). You recieve information since kindergarden (nursery, actually), and it became hardwired into you. It's celebrations at nursery, special lessons, it's newspaper articles ant headlines, it's the talks grow-ups have when children are not near (but they're listening anyway). To change perception programmed since that early the world around must change drastically. And the only people who would be really free from that preconceptions will be kids who'd grew in already changed world.

Absolutely! And the thing is, if you've grown up with a certain worldview, with a certain set of things that you have accepted as true, you will fight to defend those things because they are your reality. What you perceive as true is essential to your identity. AltLiv has done a lot of work as a soldier for the other side, and some of it may be morally ambiguous, but because it's a war, it's okay to have hurt people, betrayed them, made sacrifices. However, in order for her to continue to perceive herself as good, she has to continue to believe she's on the good side. So, coming over to our side requires a lot more than just falling in love with Peter or spending a few months here. Their side still has had it worse. For her to defect would mean admitting that her side is in the wrong, thus admitting that she herself committed some bad acts. Since being good and right is central to her identity as a soldier, she'll fight to make sure she's always right. (Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.)

I'm not saying this won't happen. In fact, if it did, it would be some amazing character evolution to watch if they pull it off. But, if falling in love with Peter is all it takes for her to change her mind, I'll actually be disappointed. :)

[tatka_sn]

...if you've grown up with a certain worldview, with a certain set of things that you have accepted as true, you will fight to defend those things because they are your reality.
So true.
And a person can be broken this way.

For her to defect would mean admitting that her side is in the wrong, thus admitting that she herself committed some bad acts.

[queenbeesteph]

It would be nice to have Ella say to Bolivia/Altlivia/whatever "You're not my Aunt Olivia" in front of Peter. Like little Peter said to Walter "You're not my father".

That would be awesome!

[BishopFan]

First of all, there is brainwashing and brainwashing (not our!Olivia-style:P). You recieve information since kindergarden (nursery, actually), and it became hardwired into you. It's celebrations at

You do have a point, but I meant more as in change sides, to save both worlds.

Because she might see that we don't mean harm to AU. Also, there is speculation that the amber quarantine zones are a ploy of Walternate, so that he could gain public and government support and funding for the war, becuz it ain't happening on this side. So if this speculation is true, and Altlivia uncovers the fact while Walter an Peter investigate, she might have a change of heart, despite her hardwired belives. She might try to create peace between the worlds, and that would mean betraying Walternate, but not her world. She might contact the AU president to let Walternate stepdown as secretary of defense.

So thats kinda what i meant by changing sides, just creating peace.

(i know, it's a lot of if's, but kinda fun from writers perspective)

Why can't we all just get along:haha:, and then maybe I can fly to the AU to meet my otherself. Maybe Im famous and wealthy there, hahahaha. Just a sideline:tiphat:

[RETLAW]

I just hope it doesn't end with the cliche of two Olivia's (in exact same dress and hairstyle) cat-fighting in front of Peter who has a gun drawn on them.

"It's me Peter"
"No, Peter. It's me!"
"Shoot her Peter!!"

:haha:

[dunham]

I just hope it doesn't end with the cliche of two Olivia's (in exact same dress and hairstyle) cat-fighting in front of Peter who has a gun drawn on them.

"It's me Peter"
"No, Peter. It's me!"
"Shoot her Peter!!"

:haha:

Haha :haha: And there's that tattoo Altliv no more has.

"Look, Peter, she has a tattoo on the back of her neck!"
"No, they did it!"
:P

[Polka Dot Gene]

First of all: Retlaw - :haha: Yeah, I think that solution would have me throwing something big and heavy at the screen.

Okay, I'm new here - thanking the gods of the internet that I've found somewhere where I can take out my frustration that Fringe eps don't get aired faster and the S3 DVD set isn't yet in my hot little hands.... :D

I haven't read all of the comments in this thread and I'm from the UK, so have only just seen S03E01, so forgive me if I'm going over old ground or have missing info. But I think that those who are complaining about Dumb!Peter are missing an important factor.

From Peter's perspective, he is expecting to see a new Olivia, a different Olivia. This is the woman who just told him (in so many words) that she loves him and with whom he's decided to embark on a brand new relationship. He is expecting her to be happier than he's seen her before. To be less haunted, perhaps, by the sadnesses in her life than she has been previously. He's expecting her to laugh more, smile more...so I don't find it unbelievable that these little differences haven't alerted him to anything being amiss. It seems natural to me that they would fit in with his perceptions of a new Olivia who is simply enjoying being in this new relationship with him.

What I do find slightly implausible as regards Alt-Olivia continuing her deception is that imo it would be almost impossible for someone in her position to do it successfully, given that she comes from a world which has a million differences with our own. If, for example, you are used to asking people for a show-me, how easy would it be to start calling it an ID card without slipping up even once and reverting to habit? Multiply that with all the other differences she could never prepare for and surely she couldn't go beyond a day without giving herself away. Every time she opened her mouth the odds would be high she'd mention something that doesn't exist in our world, or is termed differently. I really can't see how she could avoid that.

Actually, maybe that's how they will expose her. Witness her conversation with Walter at the end of Olivia about his shoes. "Are you bringing them back?" Walter - slightly puzzled - "Where did they go?" Walter was obviously distracted there and only half listening to the conversation, but a few more of that kind of conversation and he might start to pay attention and realise something is wrong.

That is, of course, if Alt-Olivia doesn't first mention how her favourite movie is Back to the Future with Eric Stoltz.... :haha:

Polka Dot Gene

[BishopFan]

From Peter's perspective, he is expecting to see a new Olivia, a different Olivia. This is the woman who just told him (in so many words) that she loves him and............................................... .. with Eric Stoltz.... :haha:

Polka Dot Gene

Yes you may be right that he is expecting to see a new Olivia, but it was also always emphasized how good Peter is at reading people. So that's why the in love theory doesn't do it all the way for me.

And yeah, that def is a way she might get caught. I am very eager to know how it will actally happen, there are a lot of theories floating around

[smebro]

As far as Ella/Rachel discovering it, seems far fetched, because they don't know of the alternate universe existence, and of doubles. Sure they might think she behaves odd, but they won't think alternate directly. They could attribute it to stress or smthng.



Sure, they wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she swapped with a double, but Rachel would notice the personality shifts and Ella would come close to finding the truth because it's kind of a convention in fiction: Children are always good with picking impostors... just like Dogs, in fiction Dogs and Children generally have awesome instincts when people fake- it's a fictional fact, almost.

I can imagine the writers setting up a scenario where Altlivia may be forced to restrain and consider killing Rachel/Ella because they threaten her cover... But could she? Would she? Would she do it on a boat? Would she do it in a moat?

Family hostage situations where innocents are involved make for good television- Especially when you've been given time to care about the innocents, and we had a few seasons to get used to, and like, Rachel and Ella.

[J.JAbramsfan]

I think that Peter is going to flip when he finds out and I do think he is going to be the first to start questioning things. Such as her drinking habits. Olivia loves to drink and Peter knows that where as I am sure its not in her personal file. Also her over confident behaviour like she can never do anything wrong, shes not questioning things anymore, as well as not enjoying Walters weird food experiments. All in all I think that soon Peter is going to start questioning whats really going on, noticing that Bolivia is not really all that comfortable with Peter after all her Boyfriend is back in her world with the other Olivia.

As for the cat fight, I am going to assume that J.J Abrams is going to have a little more style than that. Maybe a nice battle between them both but not over Peter

[jophan]

There's always the liquor, the lack of photographic memory, the possibility of Peter bringing up something she should remember that Olivia didn't include in a report.

Her initial debriefing should have raised a flag when she didn't know the names of the other Cortexiphan kids, except James Heath, whose driver's license she saw. The only way she might have known the others is if they were traced on a security camera and identified, presuming Sally had a counterpart, then the names were included in BOlivia's briefing in the typewriter shop.

[RETLAW]

I think that Peter is going to flip when he finds out and I do think he is going to be the first to start questioning things. Such as her drinking habits. Olivia loves to drink and Peter knows that where as I am sure its not in her personal file. Also her over confident behaviour like she can never do anything wrong, shes not questioning things anymore, as well as not enjoying Walters weird food experiments. All in all I think that soon Peter is going to start questioning whats really going on, noticing that Bolivia is not really all that comfortable with Peter after all her Boyfriend is back in her world with the other Olivia.

As for the cat fight, I am going to assume that J.J Abrams is going to have a little more style than that. Maybe a nice battle between them both but not over Peter

It was a joke. I don't think JJ has that much influence with the direction of the writing anymore? The reigns seemed to have been handed over to the other producers and writers. JJ's got other things going on.