Where's the tension in the Peter/Walter Relationship?

[Dana Hale]

I noticed there was no tension between Walter and Peter in this ep. (Other than maybe Walter tripping on LSD because he's still freaked out about Peter being mad?) Peter was being awfully supportive and loving toward Walter, bringing him Red Vines and almost busting down the elevator door (too heavy for ya Petah?) to get to an injured Walter. Anyways, after the tension in 3.02 it just seemed weird that things seemed back to normal between the two of them in 3.04. What's with that?

[Utnogrl]

I think it's because Peter's been in a high mood about his feelings for Olivia. So he's kind of floating right now.

[xevious]

Ah, I wouldn't go so far as to say that there's no tension. You see plenty of tension on her side. And he called her on it. "You're not the same. Something is different." Not a subtle thing, mind you.

Peter knows something is up and has let on about it. Bolivia is underestimating him. Get him in the sack to alleviate his concerns? I think not... Olivia wasn't "easy". Peter will notice she's more aggressive than the real Olivia is. If anything, this will cement his belief that she's an imposter.

Remember... he met Bolivia and spent some time with her on the other side. I think he knows.

Now the main question is... is Bolivia losing her ability to fulfill the mission? Is she starting to be charmed by "this side", as Newton said she might? Peter is from "her" side, so... in the one sense, she feels that connection. Also, she's seeing that the people over here aren't monsters. Spending enough time here is beginning to let her see what their real intentions are.

But I have a feeling... well, I'm thinking that in the end, Bolivia is "gonna get it". And Peter is going to be there for her last moments. And she'll tell him how she really feels, before she dies. It'll also be one of those deaths that shouldn't have happened, but did by accident before the final "peace" was made between the sides.

[Six-fingered Girl]

Peter knows something is up and has let on about it. Bolivia is underestimating him. Get him in the sack to alleviate his concerns? I think not... Olivia wasn't "easy". Peter will notice she's more aggressive than the real Olivia is. If anything, this will cement his belief that she's an imposter.
I'm worried that Peter will deceive himself for too long, then be really angry with himself, but misdirect that anger at Ourlivia when she comes back. He's gonna feel betrayed, even though, rationally, he knows it wasn't her.



But I have a feeling... well, I'm thinking that in the end, Bolivia is "gonna get it". And Peter is going to be there for her last moments. And she'll tell him how she really feels, before she dies. It'll also be one of those deaths that shouldn't have happened, but did by accident before the final "peace" was made between the sides.

Ooooh, I hope not. :( I'm no fan of hers, but I don't want her to die! Just ship her back to be with her own people and leave our universe well alone.

[Estrella]

I'm worried that Peter will deceive himself for too long, then be really angry with himself, but misdirect that anger at Ourlivia when she comes back. He's gonna feel betrayed, even though, rationally, he knows it wasn't her.



Ooooh, I hope not. :( I'm no fan of hers, but I don't want her to die! Just ship her back to be with her own people and leave our universe well alone.

Olivia will send Peter to St' Clairs if Peter act like that when she comes back:haha:

However, I don't have any clue of Peter's behavior right now, no clue at all, what's in his mind? maybe Ep6 will give the answer

I have the same feeling that Bolivia will die, but maybe in her universe and killed by Walternate

[Polka Dot Gene]

Peter was being awfully supportive and loving toward Walter, bringing him Red Vines and almost busting down the elevator door (too heavy for ya Petah?) to get to an injured Walter.

Well, it's possible to be mad at someone you love and still be afraid for them if you think they've been hurt and injured, so I don't see any dichotomy there.

As for Alt-Olivia - what bugs me a little is Peter was so savvy at spotting the difference between the two in Over There that he remarked that Olivia was 'a little darker in the eyes maybe...'. That's a very specific difference to note! I think very few people would have even noticed a slight variation in eye colour. Yet now he can't tell them apart.... Weird.

Still, as I've said elsewhere, I've learned over the years to take characters acting supposedly OOC with a pinch of salt until the season is complete. It's often the case that the writers produce a turnaround by the finale that explains everything. I'm hoping that's the case here.

[number six]

I noticed there was no tension between Walter and Peter in this ep. (Other than maybe Walter tripping on LSD because he's still freaked out about Peter being mad?) Peter was being awfully supportive and loving toward Walter, bringing him Red Vines and almost busting down the elevator door (too heavy for ya Petah?) to get to an injured Walter. Anyways, after the tension in 3.02 it just seemed weird that things seemed back to normal between the two of them in 3.04. What's with that?
We shouldn't forget, that Peter loves Walter, in spite of everything. He also has to take care of him and he has to work with him everyday. There is no reason for him to make things difficult at work or be mean for the sake of getting back at Walter. That doesn't mean Peter has forgiven him. See how in The Box, they were doing fine, until Walter started to talk about something personal and in episode 3.04 Peter was having dinner alone in a bar.

John explained it better, when he said, that Peter and Walter would be fine most of the time, when they are working together, but not so fine, when Walter tries to get close to Peter. The love is there, but not the trust.

[tv_maniac]

It was one of the biggest things I was looking forward to this season, how awkward and testy these two would be around each other. It's probably why I loved 'The Box' so much :P I agree with you that it seemed absent in this episode, it was quite disappointing :(

On another note though, the one scene I need to see this season is when Peter visits original!Peter's grave. I want to see how he reacts, what he says and does and how he is with Walter after that. I assume it will have a massive impact on him, actually seeing the grave site of Walter's original son.

[benjaminh]

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But I have a feeling... well, I'm thinking that in the end, Bolivia is "gonna get it". And Peter is going to be there for her last moments. And she'll tell him how she really feels, before she dies. It'll also be one of those deaths that shouldn't have happened, but did by accident before the final "peace" was made between the sides.

New member here.

But I agree with the future that xevious is predicting.

Once Altivia/Fauxlivia/Bolivia shot that blind guy in the back, she was doomed. She will not live out this season, I don't think, but she will redeem herself in death in some way...

Ben

[chamelean75]

New member here.

But I agree with the future that xevious is predicting.

Once Altivia/Fauxlivia/Bolivia shot that blind guy in the back, she was doomed. She will not live out this season, I don't think, but she will redeem herself in death in some way...

Ben

You mean the deaf guy right?

[Utnogrl]

:P

Some people need to be reminded that this thread is about Walter/Peter. What does Alt-livia's deception have to do with lack of tension in Walter and Peter's relationship? (Besides th fact that he doesn't know that it's not Ourlivia :confused0006:

[paburrows]

I was wondering why the tension was absent also, although now that I think about it, Peters conversation with Nina about Walter running Massive Dynamic might have been fueled by more then Walters regular wackyness. Maybe also a little of personal resentment?

[crocodilian]

My two cents worth is that the plot has become a bit overwhelming for emotional continuity. Just consider the arcs of Peter - Walter and Peter - Walternate.

They've sort of written themselves into a corner with respect to how Peter should feel about his father[s], you can't turn fundamental relationships around 180 again and again and build a convincing portrayal.

Its vaguely reminiscent of BVS, where in later seasons you needed a checklist to find out who was going to be evil in that particular episode.

[number six]

:P

Some people need to be reminded that this thread is about Walter/Peter. What does Alt-livia's deception have to do with lack of tension in Walter and Peter's relationship? (Besides th fact that he doesn't know that it's not Ourlivia :confused0006:
Yeah, I was confused for a moment, like: Did I reply in the wrong thread? :haha:

My two cents worth is that the plot has become a bit overwhelming for emotional continuity. Just consider the arcs of Peter - Walter and Peter - Walternate.

They've sort of written themselves into a corner with respect to how Peter should feel about his father[s], you can't turn fundamental relationships around 180 again and again and build a convincing portrayal.

Its vaguely reminiscent of BVS, where in later seasons you needed a checklist to find out who was going to be evil in that particular episode.
When did they turn around the relationship between Peter and his fathers? Peter already explained, why he went to the other side with Walternate and it wasn't any kind of emotional connection to him. As for Peter and Walter, Peter hasn't stopped loving Walter, but that doesn't mean, that he trusts him.

[Xerophytes]

I noticed there was no tension between Walter and Peter in this ep. (Other than maybe Walter tripping on LSD because he's still freaked out about Peter being mad?) Peter was being awfully supportive and loving toward Walter, bringing him Red Vines and almost busting down the elevator door (too heavy for ya Petah?) to get to an injured Walter. Anyways, after the tension in 3.02 it just seemed weird that things seemed back to normal between the two of them in 3.04. What's with that?

Writers forgot about it.

Just like how they forgot that the season 1 ended with Olivia harbouring extreme anger on Walter. :confused0006:

[crocodilian]

When did they turn around the relationship between Peter and his fathers? Peter already explained, why he went to the other side with Walternate and it wasn't any kind of emotional connection to him. As for Peter and Walter, Peter hasn't stopped loving Walter, but that doesn't mean, that he trusts him.

You have a major turning point where Peter calls Walter "Dad" -- a major evolution in their relationship, which started out with Walter as the guy Peter didn't want to get out of St Claire's. Remember too Peter's comment that he'd sold Walter's books because he was very angry at him in episode 2.13. So calling him Dad is a major change from where Peter started -- and then instantly discovers that Walter is not his father, and then walks out, intending not to return (Season 2, episodes 18 and 20). I'd call that a 180 degree turn. He then sort of bonds with Walternate. He then discovers that Walternate wants to use him to destroy Here. He then decides to come back Here Walter made the observation that he has traveled into another universe twice to save Peter's life and that "that ought to count for something" Peter's response is notably warm, can't remember the exact line. But Joshua Jackson needs some kind of thermometer from the director and writers, because the temperature of Peter's relationship with both Walter and Walternate is u-turning too often.

[jophan]

It was actually Peter who said, Walter had traveled into another universe twice to save Peter's life and that "that ought to count for something", just after he said he couldn't accept Walter's rationale for kidnapping him. So, there it is. They're not back at the beginning, where Peter basically hated his "father", but they're not going back to "dad" soon, if ever.

[number six]

You have a major turning point where Peter calls Walter "Dad" -- a major evolution in their relationship, which started out with Walter as the guy Peter didn't want to get out of St Claire's. Remember too Peter's comment that he'd sold Walter's books because he was very angry at him in episode 2.13. So calling him Dad is a major change from where Peter started -- and then instantly discovers that Walter is not his father, and then walks out, intending not to return (Season 2, episodes 18 and 20). I'd call that a 180 degree turn. He then sort of bonds with Walternate. He then discovers that Walternate wants to use him to destroy Here. He then decides to come back Here Walter made the observation that he has traveled into another universe twice to save Peter's life and that "that ought to count for something" Peter's response is notably warm, can't remember the exact line. But Joshua Jackson needs some kind of thermometer from the director and writers, because the temperature of Peter's relationship with both Walter and Walternate is u-turning too often.
You're describing a slow development over to years, from hate to love. It wasn't sudden. It was a natural process of getting to know, who he thought, his estranged father. My question is: Where is the 180 degree turn in his feelings for his fathers? He didn't stop loving Walter, when he discovered the truth and he didn't start loving Walternate, either. The truth made those feelings more complicated, but they didn't change. When he left with Walternate, it wasn't for some kind of sudden love. Peter explained why he did it: Walternate convinced him, when he said he could help heal the problems over there.