Any thoughts on the "Polish" angle?

[pk198105]

Ok so yes I'm Polish and yes maybe it's nothing. But I find that if writers of Fringe mention something more than once it usually means something. Anyone catch that? About the transistor from the amnesia box. They mention Polish like 3 times, first the shot of the transistor, then once when Peter specifically points out its Polish and then crazy #$@ch Altivia again re-specifying it to her lap dog?

It would be nice if they included some Polish angle besides us being transistor suppliers....Russians are always represented in movies and shows...not fair...:haha:

Anyways I just found it intriguing

[Hardy]

Be careful what you wish for, neighbor. I'm from Germany and when they had a German angle in the show it was in form of that ridiculous Gestapo-torture-cellar-like high security prison that Mr. Jones later escaped from. And I guess the shows short trips to Iraq were equally cringeworthy to anyone who knows the area.

When they have to get those 37 machine parts from all over the world in subsequent episodes we might get to see some more nation clichés including american actors mouthing foreign languages with thick accents.

[jophan]

I think you may luck out. My bet is that the winter break is going to cover months of show time, so all the parts will have been retrieved and Olivia will be (mostly) done with whatever kind of psychological rehab she's sent through to get BOlivia out of her head.

[Lij]

I thought it was rather cool - and yes, I have one Polish ancestor in my background.

Techniques were developed in 1917 by the Polish chemist Jan Czochralski to create germanium crystals. He suspended a small "seed" crystal of germanium in a crucible of molten germanium and slowly withdrew it, forming a long, narrow, single crystal. At Bell Labs where the transistor came of age, William Shockley later called this achievement "the most important scientific development in the semiconductor field in the early days."

During the 1950s and 1960s the Group for Mathematical Apparatus of the Mathematical Institute in Warsaw designed and built several digital computers. There was a transistor-based computer built in 1961 by a Polish company, that was based on a prototype transistor machine, the S1, which developed at the Institute of Mathematical Machines in Warsaw a few years before.

[pk198105]

I thought it was rather cool - and yes, I have one Polish ancestor in my background.

Techniques were developed in 1917 by the Polish chemist Jan Czochralski to create germanium crystals. He suspended a small "seed" crystal of germanium in a crucible of molten germanium and slowly withdrew it, forming a long, narrow, single crystal. At Bell Labs where the transistor came of age, William Shockley later called this achievement "the most important scientific development in the semiconductor field in the early days."

During the 1950s and 1960s the Group for Mathematical Apparatus of the Mathematical Institute in Warsaw designed and built several digital computers. There was a transistor-based computer built in 1961 by a Polish company, that was based on a prototype transistor machine, the S1, which developed at the Institute of Mathematical Machines in Warsaw a few years before.

hmmm, i didn't know that and Im studying electrical engineering :ashamed0001:

thanks for the info. yeah Poland and much of other ex-ussr satellite countries were swept under the carpet even though it is thanks o these countries and their scientists that the USSR was technologically advanced.

@hardy i don't think theyare trying to do cliches on purpose and i actually enjoyed the prison episode, gives the show a nice international flavour.

but like i said i'd like for the show to bring some other nationalities in.

[Lij]

On the transistor:
C-120
DZIEDZINIE
EFEKT
M5X7 ( in lower right)

Dziedzinie Efekt translates from the Polish as Field Effect. A Field Effect Transistor, FET, uses an electronic field to control the shape and conductivity of a channel which carries the charge over a semiconductor material.

I think C-120 might correspond to a temperature at which it is annealed? Or maybe the voltage? Or an angle concerning its makeup? M5X7 might have something to do with the connectors? Got me....

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[altwally]

On the transistor:
C-120
DZIEDZINIE
EFEKT
M5X7 ( in lower right)

Dziedzinie Efekt translates from the Polish as Field Effect. A Field Effect Transistor, FET, uses an electronic field to control the shape and conductivity of a channel which carries the charge over a semiconductor material.

I think C-120 might correspond to a temperature at which it is annealed? Or maybe the voltage? Or an angle concerning its makeup? M5X7 might have something to do with the connectors? Got me....

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I'm an electronic technician and I buy electronic components for a living. I find it quite odd that a transistor would have "transistor" written on it. Microprocessors are physically much larger, more real estate to write on, and yet all that is written on them is the manufacturers criptic catalog part number, or some abbrviated form of it. To waste the time and money (thinking of even modest mass production of the device), why would "they" bother to print "feild effect transistor" on this device when it is pretty obvious to anyone that would work with this device exactly what it is. It might as well have well said "Acme memory erasing module". The device would have had a manufacturer's logo and their catalog part number on it. With that, anyone could still identify it as a special device. Not to mention the outer casing is made of a different material than the others, probably ceramic for temperature extremes that the military requires.

[Lij]

It didn't have transistor written on it. Just....

C-120
DZIEDZINIE
EFEKT
M5X7

Or are you objecting to the wording "Field Effect?" Dziedzinie was pretty scrunched up. I count myself lucky that to have read it, considering it was a Polish word to which I was not privy. I guess C-120 was likely the part number or M5X7.

[altwally]

It didn't have transistor written on it. Just....

C-120
DZIEDZINIE
EFEKT
M5X7

Or are you objecting to the wording "Field Effect?" Dziedzinie was pretty scrunched up. I count myself lucky that to have read it, considering it was a Polish word to which I was not privy. I guess C-120 was likely the part number or M5X7.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to rain on your parade, it was a very good observation! My frustration should be directed to the prop people of the show, certainly not to any one here on this board. To clarify, yes, I would not imagine that the wording "Field Effect" to be on this device. Although, it's certainly not out of the realm of possiblity that this IS the name of the manufacturer.

And yes, the C-120 and M5X7 are no doubt part of the criptic catalog part number. Again, good call!

Also, I need to remember to suspend belief, it's a TV show...

[Lij]

As a geologist I had the same problem with the First People (give me a fossil!) and the burial of their machine's caskets. Oh well....

;)

[JustThinking]

I was thinking that the Polish chip was a plot device to find Joseph Heller. It was new- so it stood out and was noticed. Its newness also made Broyles think of a fingerprint from the installer being on it. Then it was traceable as it had to have a delivery address connected to it, being Polish. All of it led to finding Heller.

Then finding Heller led to them knowing he was a shapeshifter, and also knowing that the other side was behind leading them to the clues about the pieces. And that Walternate wanted them to find the pieces and work on them.

I don't think that Walternate really wanted them to know it was him- the shapeshifter may have gone too far in attacking the plane- since that refuted the idea that people were being pulsed to stop them from cracking the code. The pilot wasn't trying to do anything with the numbers. Altlivia said they were just trying to get the Fringe group's attention. I think she was forced to get rid of Heller to minimize the info he gave up- but she couldn't hide that he was a shapeshifter.

So that is what the writers wanted, and what they used to do it.

They also had to disable the spine chip in Heller-I thought it was funny how easily Peter pulled it out, and how conveniently it was damaged. I guess Altlivia could have done it before dropping him out the window.

If they are really on the ball they may tie "Polish " in to some other part of the story, but it seems to me that now that they are telling a story that had to go on a certain path- the two worlds conflict- that they have to do a bit more twisting people and events to fit, and to follow the rules they have established. It's easier with the stand alone episodes, where you mostly have to just be consistent within one show.

[altwally]

They also had to disable the spine chip in Heller-I thought it was funny how easily Peter pulled it out, and how conveniently it was damaged. I guess Altlivia could have done it before dropping him out the window.

She had to have shot him in the back. Another thing that we can clearly notice that the big FBI guys failed to. BOlivia told Peter that (paraphrasing) he rushed her and she had no choice but to shoot him. Wouldn't that put the bullets in his front side, not his lower spine?

OK, this probably belongs somewhere else...

[Lij]

Isn't that Joseph Feller?

But the people 'over here' do not know that Walternate was orchestrating their finding of the machine parts. They believe that what Feller was doing was intent on stopping them from cracking the number stations' code. But, of course, they were manipulated into that discovery. If they did know of the manipulation, they would likely realize Olivia isn't herself.

The reason Altlivia killed the shapeshifter Feller was that he was no longer useful and he was found out. "Phase 1" was over, Astrid had broken the code. As Altlivia has said she can always make friends with a vacuum. There are likely plenty of shapeshifters in our universe which she can employ as her operatives.

I don't know that Altlivia shot Feller in the back. She is an expert shot (didn't she win an Olympic medal?) she could have shot him from the front and destroyed the disk.

[JustThinking]

Oh yes- you're right- it's Feller.

And oops- yes I see they didn't make the Walternate pushing Peter connection yet-:confused0006:-but ,darn it- they should have! There really wasn't any reason to pulse the pilot, other than to make them look at the numbers.

Sorry, I'll try to be more accurate!

[jophan]

The plane crash was an accident. The pilot changed frequencies when the tower signal was interrupted by the storm.

After discovering the shapeshifter, Broyles said he (still) thought Walternate was "protecting the code", but Astrid figured out from the Medford location that they were being manipulated and the others knew once the Jersey City object turned out to be part of the machine.

[roguemouse]

I have no doubt that the Fringe staff does extensive research when writing scripts.

However, I noticed a considerable mistake in this episode:
An FET (field-effect transistor) in Polish is called "tranzystor polowy". If anything, the words written on the chip should be "efekt pola" instead of "dziedzinie efekt".
The word "dziedzina" (not "dziedzinie" as seen in the episode) does mean "field", but in a completely different sense than intended. I won't even mention the incorrect grammar phrasing (if they really wanted to use the words "dziedzina" and "efekt", they should in reversed order - "efekt dziedziny").

Just thought y'all would want to know.

[Lij]

Not knowing the Polish language, I was wondering about whether the sense was correct or the word order. Someone looked up the Polish word for field and ended up with a farm field instead of a EM field. Probably used FreeTranslation.com just like I did to see what it said.

[Mutsie]

I must say I love it when they Dutch thingies.... In 6955kHz the counting happened in Dutch and well euhm the man who brought that virus in "epi 2-12 What Lies Below" was Dutch as well... So YAY for the German, Dutch and Polish stuffies in Fringe!!! :happy15:

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[roguemouse]

So YAY for the German, Dutch and Polish stuffies in Fringe!!!!

I gotta agree - I love spotting Polish inclusions on TV shows and movies. But when they do happen, I expect them to be correct (not to mention well-researched).

I mean, I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source of information, but if the Fringe-staff had checked the "FET" entry on Wiki, they'd have no problem with finding the correct Polish terminology.
Besides, from what I know, finding a Polish person in the USA isn't that hard to do. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. Using an on-line translator?... not cool.

[pk198105]

I gotta agree - I love spotting Polish inclusions on TV shows and movies. But when they do happen, I expect them to be correct (not to mention well-researched).

I mean, I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source of information, but if the Fringe-staff had checked the "FET" entry on Wiki, they'd have no problem with finding the correct Polish terminology.
Besides, from what I know, finding a Polish person in the USA isn't that hard to do. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. Using an on-line translator?... not cool.

nope its not just go to Chicago lol.

but it does have to mean something that they went to all this trouble for a simple prop. I'd like to think there is more to the Polish side, but if there isn't its not the end of the world.....or is it?:confused0006:

[Xerophytes]

Ok so yes I'm Polish and yes maybe it's nothing. But I find that if writers of Fringe mention something more than once it usually means something. Anyone catch that? About the transistor from the amnesia box. They mention Polish like 3 times, first the shot of the transistor, then once when Peter specifically points out its Polish and then crazy #$@ch Altivia again re-specifying it to her lap dog?

It would be nice if they included some Polish angle besides us being transistor suppliers....Russians are always represented in movies and shows...not fair...:haha:

Anyways I just found it intriguing

My guess is that the shapeshifter is a Polish. Not the shapeshifter himself, but the one he is impersonating.

And thus, you have the Polish thing attached to that cube.

[pk198105]

My guess is that the shapeshifter is a Polish. Not the shapeshifter himself, but the one he is impersonating.

And thus, you have the Polish thing attached to that cube.

hmmm , thats a cool theory:happy15: