Clues & Eastereggs - 3.09 "Marionette"

[AnimeArchAngel]

CLUES AND EASTEREGGS
"Marionette"
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Welcome to the clues and eastereggs thread for 3.09 "Marionette".




This is a bit like an treasure hunt for the various clues that are intentionally (or otherwise) built into each and every episode of Fringe.




The clues are mostly visual and provide fun hints and major clues to the bigger picture. ;) If you'd like to play along, please do so by sharing your observations in this thread!

Here are some ideas on what to look out for:


The Observer - usually hidden somewhere in the background of EACH episode.
The blue lights
The "Next Episode Clue" - each episode contains clues alluding to the nature of the following weeks episode.
Any other clues, shout-outs.
*If you want to check out last seasons clues and eastereggs, have a look through our clues library (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101) or the various episode forums.
*Please note. If you know for a fact what the next episode clue is because you've seen the trailer for the next episode or because you have knowledge of upcoming info, you MUST use spoiler tags (for text) as not everyone watches the trailers. This thread is for speculation.

[ncc1701mf]

The glyph word was ADAPT.

[Xerophytes]

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Be back on January!

[RETLAW]

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Be back on January!

Nice catch!

I actually read the episode was named before they found out about the Friday move which makes it somewhat ironic.

[Lij]

On the technical side we have a tie-in with season 1 and Massive Dynamics. The serum created in the mid-70s by Walter and Bell (Belly) meant to allow questioning someone after death. This was used on Olivia's FBI (undercover NSA) boyfriend, John Scott, inside of Massive Dynamics (a more refined form?).
______________________

I got an odd Whedonesque vibe in this ep. Olivia's return and emotional setting similar to Buffy's resurrection. And Walter wondering if Olivia is a robot (the Buffybot). Then there was "Firefly Railways" which was on the train at the beginning of the ep. Was Kaylee the engineer or the oiler, or will she be in the next ep?
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[RETLAW]

On the technical side we have a tie-in with season 1 and Massive Dynamics. The serum created in the mid-70s by Walter and Bell (Belly) meant to allow questioning someone after death. This was used on Olivia's FBI (undercover NSA) boyfriend, John Scott, inside of Massive Dynamics (a more refined form?).
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I got an odd Whedonesque vibe in this ep. Olivia's return and emotional setting similar to Buffy's resurrection. And Walter wondering if Olivia is a robot (the Buffybot). Then there was "Firefly Railways" which was on the train at the beginning of the ep. Was Kaylee the engineer or the oiler, or will she be in the next ep?
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There are a few Whedon references that warrant mentioning, so kudos for the vibe.

Buffy is my favorite show of all time (just met 5 of the cast in Boston Buffyfest in October) and I thought this was a "meh" episode of Fringe (I'm not a shipper so there's that). It's just a female character going through an emotional crisis so that comparison is there, but that's all I got of that.

What I DID find Whedonesque was the case. It was like a combination of two episodes that come to mind:

"Some Assembly Required" Buffy, Season, 2 - Undead guy kills and takes body parts of hot girls to assemble his ideal undead girlfriend (a la Frankenstein monster reanimation).
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"Waiting in the Wings" Angel, Season 3 - Possessive stalker mystically traps the lead Ballerina (Summer Glau) to perform the same exact dance performance every night for him.

I mean you get those two eps. plus the bad guy in Marionette is billed as "The Gentleman" (The Gentlemen being perhaps the most famous Buffy villians who cut out hearts -- and dress in black suit and tie! -- in the emmy award winning Season 4 episode, "Hush").

"Firefly" is the name of the next episode, ironically the first to air on Friday, but the title was given prior to the move to Fridays (where Whedon's Firefly was canceled) and I'm sure the writers are aware of the series.

[Lij]

There are a few Whedon references that warrant mentioning, so kudos for the vibe.

Buffy is my favorite show of all time (just met 5 of the cast in Boston Buffyfest in October) ... What I DID find Whedonesque was the case. It was like a combination of two episodes that come to mind:

"Some Assembly Required" Buffy, Season, 2 -and- "Waiting in the Wings" Angel, Season 3 ....plus the bad guy in Marionette is billed as "The Gentleman" (The Gentlemen being perhaps the most famous Buffy villians who cut out hearts -- and dress in black suit and tie! -- in the emmy award winning Season 4 episode, "Hush").

"Firefly" is the name of the next episode, ironically the first to air on Friday, but the title was given prior to the move to Fridays (where Whedon's Firefly was canceled) and I'm sure the writers are aware of the series.
Hey, you're absolutely right, RETLAW. :happy15:

It would seem Cordelia is the tie in both of those episodes. Though I can't align any significance to that fact with Fringe (unless Charisma Carpenter ends up in a Fringe ep!). I didn't catch that the reanimator was called 'the gentleman' - that is quite a homage to Hush right there (did Hush win an Emmy or was it just nominated for two, cinematography and writing?). And they all now seem to form a circle between those episodes, Brown Betty and Restless - well, at least in my mind.

I'm a big fan of Buffy myself. If I had not have been on the Net working genealogy before Buffy, I think that show would have driven me to the Net. As it was I was a poster at the Buffy Cross & Stake, the Kitten, and a few other boards (like the somewhat lascivious 'Blue Board' on voy.com which was mostly older Buffy fans). Angel, Firefly and Fringe have been the only other shows that caused me to seek out boards specializing in those shows. Buffy fandom made for some lasting friendships from Switzerland, Paris in France, England, Boston, Chicago, rural Michigan & Ohio, Dallas, Seattle and British Columbia (and here I sit on a farm in Indiana). Any TV show that can do that is purely amazing in my book.
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[RETLAW]

Hey, you're absolutely right, RETLAW. :happy15:

It would seem Cordelia is the tie in both of those episodes. Though I can't align any significance to that fact with Fringe (unless Charisma Carpenter ends up in a Fringe ep!). I didn't catch that the reanimator was called 'the gentleman' - that is quite a homage to Hush right there (did Hush win an Emmy or was it just nominated for two, cinematography and writing?). And they all now seem to form a circle between those episodes, Brown Betty and Restless - well, at least in my mind.

I'm a big fan of Buffy myself. If I had not have been on the Net working genealogy before Buffy, I think that show would have driven me to the Net. As it was I was a poster at the Buffy Cross & Stake, the Kitten, and a few other boards (like the somewhat lascivious 'Blue Board' on voy.com which was mostly older Buffy fans). Angel, Firefly and Fringe have been the only other shows that caused me to seek out boards specializing in those shows. Buffy fandom made for some lasting friendships from Switzerland, Paris in France, England, Boston, Chicago, rural Michigan & Ohio, Dallas, Seattle and British Columbia (and here I sit on a farm in Indiana). Any TV show that can do that is purely amazing in my book.
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"Restless" was the example I gave for "Brown Betty". "Brown Betty" is basically Fringe's version of "Restless". I jumped the gun on "Hush" - you are correct it was only nominated.

Yeah, if you look at the press release, the guy is orignally called "The Gentleman" (and wears a black suite and tie and cuts out hearts).

I also started this:
Whedon references in Marionette (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8660)
Please contribute!

...I just met Charisma Carpenter at Buffyfest in Boston in October. She's stunning in person. If she were to guest star on Fringe I would lose it (in a good Walter on a trip sort of way)!

[Xerophytes]

Yatsko Project -> Thomas Yatsko, the director of photography of Fringe

[livtorv]

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Be back on January!
Notice that the train also says "The Northwest Connection" :happy15:

[fedorafadares]

Walter made a joke about the first victim being the Tin Man. I remembered a season 1 episode in which we learn Walter worked on Project Tin Man.

Meaningful or hooey?

[BClol]

A possible clue for the next episode

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[Xerophytes]

A possible clue for the next episode

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I think the clue for next way is so obvious.

It's the FIREFLY railways.

[Xerophytes]

Walter made a joke about the first victim being the Tin Man. I remembered a season 1 episode in which we learn Walter worked on Project Tin Man.

Meaningful or hooey?

Season 2.

It's the Fracture episode.

[abcde]

obvious :observer: was obvious.

[anobserver]

I don't know as much about this stuff, so maybe someone else can tell me. In the episodes where The Observer actually has lines, or is otherwise featured in an obvious way, is that the only appearance, or is he hidden in the background of another scene too?

[Six-fingered Girl]

So, I was reading the usual recap/review they do over at AVClub, and someone left a remarkably astute comment. I only *wish* I could claim this as my own, but, alas, I've never seen "Swan Lake" myself.

The parallel goes thus:
Peter = The Prince
Olivia = Odette/White Swan
AltLivia = Black Swan imposter

Switched identities, duped princes, and broken hearts ensue.

Comments, anyone?

[Xerophytes]

Notice that the train also says "The Northwest Connection" :happy15:


Its Northeast.

"The Northeast Connected"

[klunz]

the way he incapicitates his victims is a well known story in the spy world
here the full story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Murder

[SG]

the way he incapicitates his victims is a well known story in the spy world
here the full story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Murder


"Agents of the Bulgarian secret police, Darzhavna Sigurnost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darzhavna_Sigurnost) (Bulgarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_language): Държавна сигурност, abbreviated ДС), assisted by the KGB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB), had previously made two failed attempts to kill Markov before a third attempt succeeded. On 7 September, 1978 (the birthday of Todor Zhivkov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todor_Zhivkov)), Markov walked across Waterloo Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_Bridge) spanning the River Thames (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames), and waited at a bus stop to take a bus to his job at the BBC. He felt a slight sharp pain, as a bug bite or sting, on the back of his right thigh. He looked behind him and saw a man picking up an umbrella off the ground. The man hurriedly crossed to the other side of the street and got in a taxi which then drove away. The event is recalled as the "Umbrella Murder" with the assassin claimed to be Francesco Gullino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Gullino), codenamed "Piccadilly".
When he arrived at work at the BBC World Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) offices he noticed a small red pimple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimple) had formed at the site of the sting he'd felt earlier and the pain had not lessened or stopped. He told at least one of his colleagues at the BBC about this incident. That evening he developed a fever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever) and was admitted to a hospital where he died three days later, on 11 September 1978, at the age of 49. The cause of death was poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison) from a ricin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricin)-filled pellet." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Murder#cite_note-secretsofthedead-1)

[BClol]

The Yatsko project is a reference to Tom Yatsko, the diirector of photography of Fringe.

Also, the project is fild under "PET". PET for PETER? :confused0006:

[Lij]

Yatsko also directed last season's White Tulip. He doesn't much look like a cocker spaniel. Maybe you have to see him in person... ;)

In White Tulip, Alistair Peck, an astrophysicist at MIT, was obsessed with mathematics even lining the walls of his house with formualae. He was trying to go back in time to his girlfriend, who died in a crash after he had a fight with her. The ep had some of my favorite lines from Fringe, Peck, talking scientist to scientist to Walter, says that they both know there are places in the world where 2+2 does not equal 4. The other line Peck had was, "Walter, god is science."

Walter tried to talk Peck out of going back, speaking of the consequences, speaking from the heart about what he knew from taking Peter from the altverse. But in the end Walter disposed of the letter he was writing to Peter about what he had done, instead of giving it to Peter. And a letter came from Peck having a drawing of a white tulip.

I guess you could say White Tulip forshadowed Marionette in one way. Peck went back to find love and instead found a mutual death with his girlfriend. Olivia passed back 'over here' to find the love she hoped would be there with Peter and instead found that love preceded her. Sort of her own form of Peck's final crash. Certainly Olivia has has one every time she has returned from the altverse - a first very literal one and in this last return quite an emotional one.
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[nalex1013]

I have to wait until Tuesday to watch this episode over here but is the whole re-animation thing foreseen in Brown Betty?

[fringe dork]

I have to wait until Tuesday to watch this episode over here but is the whole re-animation thing foreseen in Brown Betty?
in brown betty olivia investigates murders in which the hearts of the victims were stolen..the case in this episode starts with a stolen heart...:tiphat:

[Six-fingered Girl]

I have to wait until Tuesday to watch this episode over here but is the whole re-animation thing foreseen in Brown Betty?

Reanimation is sort of suggested with Walter's singing corpses. I actually love that scene; they sing "The Candyman" which itself is echoed in the name of the villain in "The Abducted."

[Stukov]

When the killer is talking to Olivia there is a chess set next to him to his left as the camera pans. He says "I was trying to set things right". Anyone think that chess (couldn't tell if it was in checkmate or anything) symbolizes anything?

[RETLAW]

I have to wait until Tuesday to watch this episode over here but is the whole re-animation thing foreseen in Brown Betty?

There are stolen removed hearts, and reanimation in "Brown Betty". There are a lot of other little nods and hints. Of course nothing is spelled out, but yes, much of what has happened so far in S3 has in one way or another been touched upon in some way (even it it's just a song, word, or image - metaphorical or literal) in BB.

Is Brown Betty a Foreshadowing of Season 3 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8603) (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8603) 2 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8603&page=2) 3 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8603&page=3) 4 (http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8603&page=4))

[skippysuperfly]

"Firefly" is the name of the next episode, ironically the first to air on Friday, but the title was given prior to the move to Fridays (where Whedon's Firefly was canceled) and I'm sure the writers are aware of the series.

Fringe does an excellent job with foreshadowing future episodes and such, but this Fringe/Firefly/Fox/Friday (that's a lot of F's) thing would bring the foreshadowing to a whole new level, even if unintentional.

Still, I have to hope it remains simply a coincidence.

[Xerophytes]

Fringe does an excellent job with foreshadowing future episodes and such, but this Fringe/Firefly/Fox/Friday (that's a lot of F's) thing would bring the foreshadowing to a whole new level, even if unintentional.

Still, I have to hope it remains simply a coincidence.

Did you not use the word FORESHADOWING? which starts with letter F as well? :haha:

[prophecygirl]

Did you not use the word FORESHADOWING? which starts with letter F as well? :haha:

don't forget future. ;)

[WhatsUpDoc1958]

There are a few Whedon references that warrant mentioning, so kudos for the vibe.

What I DID find Whedonesque was the case. It was like a combination of two episodes that come to mind:

"Waiting in the Wings" Angel, Season 3 - Possessive stalker mystically traps the lead Ballerina (Summer Glau) to perform the same exact dance performance every night for him.


Speaking of Whedon, Summer Glau and creepy ballet, another example comes to mind.

The first is from Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, The Demon Hand. Cameron, the soul-less Terminator from the future sent back to protect John Connors, who allowed her ballet teacher and brother to die even after she promised to help them, dances a perfect ballet in front of her mirror in her room at the end of the show.

Sarah VO: Science now performs miracles like the Gods of old. Creating life from blood cells, or bacteria, or a spark of metal. But they're perfect creatures. And in that way, they couldn't be less human. There are things machines will never do. They can not possess faith. They can not commune with God.

Sarah VO: They cannot appreciate beauty. They cannot create art. If they ever learn these things, things, they won't have to destroy us. They'll be us.

The perfect ballet performed by a Terminator is creepy, because it the Terminators threaten to replace us, yet imitate the beauty of ballet perfectly.

(Summer Glau also used her ballet skills in the Serenity movie (based on Firefly TV series) in a fight scene where she defeats about 30 people in hand to hand combat).