Chemicals in the body are like cortexiphan?

[The Bishop Project]

Sorry, what?Doesn't that kind of lower the importance of Cortexiphan? If evey can start seeing glimpses of the other side by 'feeling' something for that person they miss.

I don't know, call me picky.

By the way I didn't hate this episode, infact I thought it was brilliant.That was just something that made me have a "what the hell" moment. Maybe it was the way it was delivered to us.

[jay_eilthabhae]

I agree with you, I loved the episode as well....but this whole "emotional chemical" crap really threw me off....I mean come on! I know they had to show the emotional aspect of it but they could have done it in a better way...this was just lame......

[Calmdown]

Hi All

I loved the episode. :happy15:

The vortex was created due to high emotions concentrated by 2 people having the same feelings for each other in different realities. At the same time but most importantly in the same location on either side.

Once it is started it doesnt matter where the 2 people are moved to as Walter said which is why the woman on this side had to be shown that the man she saw was not her husband... they did that by asking her to concentrate on the differences (no kids) not the similarities.

It was indeed the low levels of cortexiphan in their bodies that caused it but only because of the circumstances.

Great episode which has shown us that there is more than one way to stop the vortexes, Walternate's way is not the best way. Humanity can affect the balance in good ways too... some big foreshadowing going on methinks. :shiny:

[PottedPlant]

Great episode which has shown us that there is more than one way to stop the vortexes, Walternate's way is not the best way. Humanity can affect the balance in good ways too... some big foreshadowing going on methinks. :shiny:

I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense. A better way to deal with the vortex thing is definitely needed.

[RoughDiamonds]

In S1 Walter explained that Cortexiphan was used to heighten perception. We also know that this state is triggered through intense emotion (a la Olivia). During the eps Over There for S3, Brandonate discovers that Cortexiphan is in Olivia's blood...so it seems that this is something that Olivia's body makes.

So it seems that Cortexiphan is somewhat like endorphins which are made by the pituitary gland, act as neurotransmitter, and serve to give a sense of well-being.

[jophan]

I wonder if there was some other condition that made this event feasible, such as being on a node in The Pattern (I know that's hard to recall :P). Otherwise, any tragedy that was mirrored in the AU could make a breach appear, and the Fringe events that happen wouldn't necessarily be more frequent near the Brooklyn/Providence/Reiden Lake triangle as Walternate's map showed.

[ikkokusenkin]

Hi All

I loved the episode. :happy15:

The vortex was created due to high emotions concentrated by 2 people having the same feelings for each other in different realities. At the same time but most importantly in the same location on either side.

Agree. That's what I was going to say to the OP too. But you know, I just had this thought: is this really that rare an occurrence? Two people grieving for each other in different dimensions. If you asked me, I'd guess it happens quite often...

So why is this couple the first to cause a rift? Or is there something else about them (physically) that makes them special? Or perhaps the barrier between the universes has been getting progressively weaker ever since Walter crossed over?

[Calmdown]

The Red Universe has been dealing with these issues for a while using the Amber protocol to patch the holes before the vortex is triggered, yet in the other cases of vortexes forming in the Red universe the Blue Universe has not been affected at all.

Which does give indications that maybe this was a special case or that the situation is rapidly deteriorating in the Blue universe now.

[Roxiestar74]

I thought them showing Lincoln and Fauxlivia at the end made it clear that it was starting to affect the other universe as well, and if Peter and Olivia hadn't been able to stop it, the area might have been ambered on both sides. Does ambering an area in the other universe stop the vortex from opening here? If that is true, then maybe that is how other vortexes have been averted on our side. It also made me think about that episode where the same building on both sides was coming together, and how it caused two versions of the same person to merge together. I am not good at remembering episode names, but that could be seen as an example of a vortex opening on both sides.

[Calmdown]

Hi

Actual vortexes have opened up in the Red universe without any effects in the Blue universe, that may of course start to change now due to a weakening of the walls between the universes or it may just have been special circumstances.

We shall see in the next episodes I guess. The Blue universe does seem far stronger than the Red universe tho.

The incident you are referring to which had the building (and person) merge was caused intentionally by ZFT iirc.

[mj07]

So why is this couple the first to cause a rift? Or is there something else about them (physically) that makes them special? Or perhaps the barrier between the universes has been getting progressively weaker ever since Walter crossed over?
I think it's THIS, the weakening in the barrier.

Plus, this particular couple were a very specific situation. Their alternate spouses died at exactly the same time, in the same place, and both couples had lived in the same place for over 40 years. I think the odds of that happening repeatedly are pretty low.

My question is not so much how did it happen with this couple as WHY were they so similar? They both had the EXACT same Xmas photo, how is that possible?

[jophan]

The incident you are referring to which had the building (and person) merge was caused intentionally by ZFT iirc.
Not ZFT, by Newton. "Jacksonville".


They both had the EXACT same Xmas photo, how is that possible?
That gets into the whole "why are there doubles / are there doubles for everyone / entanglement" thing that's got threads dedicated to it. But assuming the couples were identical physically and had largely similar environments, their personalities and interactions could have been largely similar, too.

[BananaBob]

In terms of cortexaphan, most psychoactive compounds are extremely close to those natural produced in the body, I see no reason that cortexaphan should be different.

[ikkokusenkin]

Plus, this particular couple were a very specific situation. Their alternate spouses died at exactly the same time, in the same place, and both couples had lived in the same place for over 40 years. I think the odds of that happening repeatedly are pretty low.
Yeah, good point. That does explain it somewhat.