Ratings = 1.5

[Marklar]

Slight improvement. Atleast it didn't go down.
With last nights episode and that awesome preview I hope it brings in some more live viewers next week, get it atleast to a 1.7 or better. It would be nice to see that 1.9 again

[altprime]

Slight improvement. Atleast it didn't go down.
With last nights episode and that awesome preview I hope it brings in some more live viewers next week, get it atleast to a 1.7 or better. It would be nice to see that 1.9 again

Didn't the producers say that as long as the show was getting 1.2 in key demos then there isn't a need to worry? If I'm remembering that correctly then I'm happy with the numbers.

[Marklar]

Alot of people doubt that statement.

Kevin Reilly's statement is probably more accurate when he said he would be happy if it kept 80% of its Thursday ratings.

80% of Thursday is right around 1.5 i believe.

[altprime]

Alot of people doubt that statement.

Kevin Reilly's statement is probably more accurate when he said he would be happy if it kept 80% of its Thursday ratings.

80% of Thursday is right around 1.5 i believe.

Thanks for ruining my peaceful state of mind. :P

[vlada_vvv]

Although the ratings could be a little bit higher, I'm satisfied with them for now))



Kevin Reilly's statement is probably more accurate when he said he would be happy if it kept 80% of its Thursday ratings.

80% of Thursday is right around 1.5 i believe.

Exactly.

[Parallel U]

It's frustrating....I know very few people who watch Fringe, and many of them like sci-fi.

Most say they tried to watch, but joined late and couldn't understand what was going on and bailed.

[altprime]

It's frustrating....I know very few people who watch Fringe, and many of them like sci-fi.

Most say they tried to watch, but joined late and couldn't understand what was going on and bailed.

Then you need to arrange a few viewing parties where you watch the first two seasons. My friend and I did this and got 3 or 4 more regulars watchers.

[Marklar]

It's frustrating....I know very few people who watch Fringe, and many of them like sci-fi.

Most say they tried to watch, but joined late and couldn't understand what was going on and bailed.

I got my parents watching it buy getting them the DVDs for christmas.I've got two coworkers that do watch it, however if they are Nielsen households then they don't count since they're older than 50.

Everyone else I know doesn't like SciFi or hasn't heard of Fringe and has no interest in it.

[AltAnna]

Yes! Up is always good.

Since this episode was awesome and the promo just fantastic, I'm hoping next week the ratings will be up again. :)

[happycat]

Audience simply hates the alternate world. Though the writers have attempted to make Walternate and Fauxlivia more humane, we don't buy it.

[Marklar]

Audience simply hates the alternate world. Though the writers have attempted to make Walternate and Fauxlivia more humane, we don't buy it.

But it being an alternate world episode isn't enough to make thousands of people tune out and catch it on their DVR. Most fans will watch it no matter what, as long as they're home, and have nothing better to watch.

[Olive_Dunham]

I'm satisfied...
But I thought that the numbers'd be higher

[mj07]

Audience simply hates the alternate world. Though the writers have attempted to make Walternate and Fauxlivia more humane, we don't buy it.
I think this is a big part of last week's low (combined with the fact it was the weekend before Valentine's). The viewers have a vested interest in what happens to Olivia, so when she was trapped in the alternate universe we had reason to tune in (plus, alt-Broyles was very cool!) Without a truly familiar character involved — one we care for, as opposed to either hating or being ambivalent about — there was less incentive to tune in.

I hope it's a lesson to the producers for the future.

[mj07]

Actually it could be enough. Not everyone who watches Fringe is a die hard fan (unfortunately).
Well, I consider myself a die-hard fan and I was tempted to skip watching last week b/c I'm not interested in the alternate universe and I hate Fauxlivia. Not to say I'm representative of all fans and casual viewers, just, I can see why people might be willing to skip that one.:confused0006:

[Stukov]

Good, the ratings up just like I predicted. And #1 in the time slot is good for Fox. Even if ratings aren't great, getting #1 and getting rid of a show just doesn't make sense.

[Valgrum]

Good, the ratings up just like I predicted. And #1 in the time slot is good for Fox. Even if ratings aren't great, getting #1 and getting rid of a show just doesn't make sense.

^This
I'm sure Fox has a Great Big Smile on their Face, just like Me from Watching 6B :D <- Me watching 6B

[mj07]

Exactly. The creators said that there will be at least 3 more episodes "Over There", hopefully they will be better than "Immortality" which in my opinion was the weakest episode of the 3rd season.
Three more? urgh... unless they are episodes involving BOTH universes, that's going to be hard for me to stomach, especially since we don't have that many left for the season, (unless they're counting next week's episode in that?)

[gillybee]

Gillybee likes this :P

[zuzoka]

I think this is a big part of last week's low (combined with the fact it was the weekend before Valentine's). The viewers have a vested interest in what happens to Olivia, so when she was trapped in the alternate universe we had reason to tune in (plus, alt-Broyles was very cool!) Without a truly familiar character involved — one we care for, as opposed to either hating or being ambivalent about — there was less incentive to tune in.

I hope it's a lesson to the producers for the future.


AltU is a little boring for me too, so I totally agree with this. ^^
Although the Lincoln and Charlie characters are likeable, they are not strong enough to tune in for many people. We need our original characters every week. Without them it's just lame. In "6B" it was perfectly handeld at the end with that 2 minutes or so. That's the amount of AU we can handle in peace. :haha:

[mj07]

AltU is a little boring for me too, so I totally agree with this. ^^
Although the Lincoln and Charlie characters are likeable, they are not strong enough to tune in for many people. We need our original characters every week. Without them it's just lame. In "6B" it was perfectly handeld at the end with that 2 minutes or so. That's the amount of AU we can handle in peace. :haha:
Yep!

I can also imagine that the alt-universe would be hard for casual viewers to understand or follow. If I remember correctly, last week's episode dropped viewers in the second half, right? Which would say to me a good number of people tuned in, went either "where are the characters I've seen before?" or "I don't like the alt-verse", and tuned out.

[Omniscient_Jay]

Very nice.:happy15:

I think if we can rally the troops and get a 1.6+ rating for next week, then we'll be in a good position for renewal.:hope:

[jeabp]

Considering how many said they would stop watching last week, its very good the ratings improved :-) If people stopped watching, hopefully their friends or the reviews told them fringe is "back on track", and they will come back next week.
There is always hope...

[RoughDiamonds]

Very nice.:happy15:

I think if we can rally the troops and get a 1.6+ rating for next week, then we'll be in a good position for renewal.:hope:

I'm with OJ on this one.

I think 6B was a stronger ep than the last two and with all the buzz and flurry of comments for this week's ep, I hope that those watching via DVR will consider watching live next week. Crossing fingers for another "Peter"-like episode.

[soto3330]

Do these numbers include numbers from cabletown to see how many people DVR'd the show? I haven't been able to see fringe live for months and months now.

Most the people i know also dont watch there shows (include fringe) live. They are out when it plays on tv.

[FringeBinge]

I think the best way to handle the Altuniverse from here on out is to mix in scenes with episodes from our universe, similar to Entrada. However, I don't really understand it when fans say they hate the episodes from the other side since they affect the overall mythology in a huge way.

[Eamonn]

Can someone tell me why Blue Bloods got like 12 million viewers? Show is horrid.

[Garden_State]

^Cause Fringe is a demanding series that appeals to people with brain! :haha:

[trishy81]

^Cause Fringe is a demanding series that appeals to people with brain! :haha:

LOL! It also requires a love of sci-fi/spooky stuff, which actually cancels out my entire family except myself and my 16 year old niece (who is my shadow). :) There are so many people out there that just want to sit and vegetate while watching TV. It's pitiful.

I was very excited to find that the ratings had gone up. Next week's episode looks incredible, so hopefully Fringe will get to that 1.6 mark.:hope:

[MYOB]

Do these numbers include numbers from cabletown to see how many people DVR'd the show? I haven't been able to see fringe live for months and months now.

Most the people i know also dont watch there shows (include fringe) live. They are out when it plays on tv.

DVR views from people in Nielsen households count in the ratings, but watching 7 days later gets a lower weighting than watching the same day (technically, before 3 am the next morning). Many commercials are time sensitive, so sponsors get diminishing returns from late viewings. And people are more likely to watch commercials live. But Nielsen does also report Live+3 days, and (much later) Live + 7 days. Cable or broadcast isn't critical, what matters is whether you got picked by Nielsen to have an electronic box in your home. Participants aren't allowed to tell anybody, because they don't want friends pressuring them to change their viewing.

As far as anybody knows, only homes with Nielsen boxes count for the ratings, and there are Nielsen boxes in only two hundredths of a percent of TV households. Outrageous power, huh? Nielsen also conducts supplemental paper/pencil surveys during Sweeps months, but it isn't clear how they use the data, it may serve primarily as validation for the 'box' data.

There has been talk of Nielsen including other data, such as episode downloads or TiVO or Hulu, but what Nielsen collects and how they use it is a well kept secret. If they announced where they were data gathering, people would stuff the ballot box. And with other data sources, there is no mechanism for verifying demographic data, which the sponsors want included.

[RETLAW]

Good, the ratings up just like I predicted. And #1 in the time slot is good for Fox. Even if ratings aren't great, getting #1 and getting rid of a show just doesn't make sense.

Unless they can get an cheaper in-house show that makes them money and costs less than Fringe to get the same exact ratings. Which they probably can.

I've said it before in many discussions on ratings. Fringe is not competing with other networks, and their numbers/position. Fringe has to prove it's worth to Fox. It is an expensive show that does not make money for Fox (Fox does not get its other revenue streams) that only gets marginal numbers. For example, Kitchen Nightmares in the past got similar ratings on Friday and is cheaper.

Fringe has to meet the acceptable ratings set by Fox, not beat other network's shows.

[BadInfluence]

Unless they can get an cheaper in-house show that makes them money and costs less than Fringe to get the same exact ratings. Which they probably can.

I've said it before in many discussions on ratings. Fringe is not competing with other networks, and their numbers/position. Fringe has to prove it's worth to Fox. It is an expensive show that does not make money for Fox (Fox does not get its other revenue streams) that only gets marginal numbers. For example, Kitchen Nightmares in the past got similar ratings on Friday and is cheaper.

Fringe has to meet the acceptable ratings set by Fox, not beat other network's shows.

Far too many fall into the trap of whos beating who in the ratings. And in doing so they forget that what you are saying is whats truly at stake. A point and shoot reality show is much cheaper than a show with a very involved script, quality actors, sets and set design, wardrobe, makeup, special effects, and so on. If Fox cannot make money on a show like Fringe then they will remove it for one they can make money on period. They will not care whos toes the step on in the process because it's business and business is ugly. And as it's been mentioned before countless times we live in a world where point and shoot reality shows are for some reason more appealing to the masses (obviously including the Nielsen households) than a show like Fringe that actually has substance to it. It's a grim reality but one that shouldn't be overlooked or ignored.

[altprime]

Can someone tell me why Blue Bloods got like 12 million viewers? Show is horrid.

People don't like surprising things because it makes them feel scared and people don't like clever things because it makes them feel stupid.

[happycat]

Far too many fall into the trap of whos beating who in the ratings. And in doing so they forget that what you are saying is whats truly at stake. A point and shoot reality show is much cheaper than a show with a very involved script, quality actors, sets and set design, wardrobe, makeup, special effects, and so on. If Fox cannot make money on a show like Fringe then they will remove it for one they can make money on period. They will not care whos toes the step on in the process because it's business and business is ugly. And as it's been mentioned before countless times we live in a world where point and shoot reality shows are for some reason more appealing to the masses (obviously including the Nielsen households) than a show like Fringe that actually has substance to it. It's a grim reality but one that shouldn't be overlooked or ignored.

I have never been a huge fan of reality shows. They are plotted and scripted.

[MYOB]

There are cheaper shows, but I am hopeful that network heads won't let go of scripted drama. What I like about Fox is that they put a creative twist on things, they are not trying to copy the formulas that gave us clones of L&O, CSI, Criminal Minds, and doctor dramas. They like sci-fi and special effects. I do, too.

Who wants a steady diet of reality shows, celebrity competitions, and not so funny comedies? I don't watch most of the stuff that gets the 20+ million audiences. For drama, I don't want a bunch of look-alike crime procedurals with so little character development that it doesn't really matter in what order you view the episodes. It's nice to have a show that makes you dream up possible outcomes in your own mind. It's more like reading a novel, it teases the mind and the imagination.

[RabidBacon]

I think they should move it to Thursdays @8. It's a perfect timeslot. But damn American Idol! *shakes fist*

[RETLAW]

There are cheaper shows, but I am hopeful that network heads won't let go of scripted drama. What I like about Fox is that they put a creative twist on things, they are not trying to copy the formulas that gave us clones of L&O, CSI, Criminal Minds, and doctor dramas. They like sci-fi and special effects. I do, too.

Who wants a steady diet of reality shows, celebrity competitions, and not so funny comedies? I don't watch most of the stuff that gets the 20+ million audiences. For drama, I don't want a bunch of look-alike crime procedurals with so little character development that it doesn't really matter in what order you view the episodes. It's nice to have a show that makes you dream up possible outcomes in your own mind. It's more like reading a novel, it teases the mind and the imagination.

The people who pay the networks as indicated by the ratings, apparently. It's sad but true. The taste of the masses are always suspect.

Scripted drama is already in a critical state on network TV. This has been brought up at the SAG awards and Writers Guild in recent years.

From an investment standpoint, as a production company, what do you think is an easier and less risky sale? A show like Jersey Shore, where you only shell out less than $1M to make the first season and follow some characters around with a camera or an elaborate intellectual Science Fiction serialized drama that need a large cast and crew, stunts, and more? Especially when the trend shows that the much cheaper to produce show actually get the higher ratings. Fringe's pilot episode cost $14M alone. That's not going to become a trend in the current TV landscape.

The scripted drama costs more to produce. The scripted drama generally has a higher failure rate. The scripted drama gets lower ratings in this generation of TV. You can see why the scripted drama is being phased out and moved to cable.

(BTW I'm a huge proponent of quality scripted dramas. I'm just pointing out the current state of things and the circumstance surround them. I wish pop music wasn't dominant, and cheap beer the most popular, but that's what the masses like, and this extends to TV as well.)

[jay_eilthabhae]

Creative profession has become so commercialized that the creative aspect of the profession has been lost, it is nobody's fault really, you have to go with the flow, it just the system which is extremely weak......and just any other system, there will be a time of revolution which will bring about the needed change, and I believe that time is coming soon, when television would be so threatened by the growing usage of internet as form of entertainment, that they would have to rethink their strategy and/or bring about drastic changes instead of just going with the flow of the system....

Anyway, about the ratings, its not the best, but I guess the trend is quite good....it could have been better but a lot of people (including the ones with neilsen box) had been pissed off due to the pregnancy angle so perhaps that costed the ratings a bit, but given this episode, and the promo for the next episode, I think the ratings will go up from here ........ hopefully!!!

[Rekka]

You know, the more I hear about ratings, the more annoyed I get at how archaic the "technology" is in getting accurate numbers. How do they justify the accuracy of viewers when they only include random Nielson families? I don't get how that works or is even logical. Seems to me there would have to be a great deal of assumption going on.

[paburrows]

Well besides the 1.2 quote which I think IS factual theres also the one where one of the FOX head people said just this week that he's pleased with the rating on FRINGE and that he's thinking of season 4.

[RETLAW]

Well besides the 1.2 quote which I think IS factual theres also the one where one of the FOX head people said just this week that he's pleased with the rating on FRINGE and that he's thinking of season 4.
How is it "factual"? Unless you are Kevin Reilly or can read his mind or sat in on the the exec. meetings you can't say it's a fact.

You do understand that's PR?

Every exec. and certainly producer has put a positive spin on their show...until it is canceled. BSing is the norm in this business.

Just take the support with a grain of salt, as execs. are always known to put on a public face, but business is business and the behind the scenes outlook isn't always as bright. Fox did it with Dollhouse, and that was an in-house show.

BTW the people involved with the show know what's at stake. Josh Jackson just gave an article the other day in EW saying fans must launch a save Fringe campaign. Jasika Nicole let it slip up in a NY Daily news article weeks ago that she really doesn't think Fox believes in them.

Just take all the spin in with some perspective is all. I hope for a fourth season, but it's a long-shot. Not to say that it can't happen.

[Rekka]

Just take all the spin in with some perspective is all. I hope for a fourth season, but it's a long-shot. Not to say that it can't happen.

Very true. I'd like to remain hopeful. But when ought we go into "save" mode? That move can't be made too soon nor too late, yeah? Should we be doing something now??

[BadInfluence]

You know, the more I hear about ratings, the more annoyed I get at how archaic the "technology" is in getting accurate numbers. How do they justify the accuracy of viewers when they only include random Nielson families? I don't get how that works or is even logical. Seems to me there would have to be a great deal of assumption going on.

I'm pretty sure that in the minds of the suits in charge looking at a population is much like a pie. You can sample only one piece of that pie but the rest will taste just the same. Although many of us believe this belief is not without flaws. But I suppose without any other methods of gathering the info they need we're stuck with the Nielsen.

[Rekka]

I'm pretty sure that in the minds of the suits in charge looking at a population is much like a pie. You can sample only one piece of that pie but the rest will taste just the same. Although many of us believe this belief is not without flaws. But I suppose without any other methods of gathering the info they need we're stuck with the Nielsen.

I'll quote Peter:
There's gotta be another way.

[LovinSha]

Trying to think from a realistic viewpoint here: If Fringe continues to hold around an average of 4 million for the remainder of the season, then we can expect at most a 10-13 episode wrap-up season for season 4. A full wrapup season would be more comfortable writing-wise. The producers overconfidence in this show is surprising (considering they're working on storylines for season 5) and a bit worrisome. I just hope they have backup scripts in store in case of premature cancellation.

[Ladybug]

BTW the people involved with the show know what's at stake. Josh Jackson just gave an article the other day in EW saying fans must launch a save Fringe campaign. Jasika Nicole let it slip up in a NY Daily news article weeks ago that she really doesn't think Fox believes in them.

I read that article, and honestly I don't know how much help the individual can be beyond continuing to watch and convert the few people possible (I may never see my DVDs again trying to get people to catch up).

I've seen letter writing campaigns before and they never seem to work. Since it is all about money in the end, I would think targeting the major advertisers might be an option. Companies want to see a return on investment, like Fox wants to make money from Fringe, and the advertisers are hoping for sales to result from their commercials.

Would it even matter if all the Sprint customers (especially those that have switched from other carriers) writing to... some exec at Sprint basically thanking them as a Fringe fan and as a customer for advertising during the show's time, and then after the signature include a note that the letter has been copied to the main Fox exec and one of the Fringe producers (and of course sending an actual copy to the stated recipients)? Would that even do any good?

This whole ratings talk makes an individual person feel so very helpless in the scope of millions.

[FringeBinge]

Trying to think from a realistic viewpoint here: If Fringe continues to hold around an average of 4 million for the remainder of the season, then we can expect at most a 10-13 episode wrap-up season for season 4. A full wrapup season would be more comfortable writing-wise. The producers overconfidence in this show is surprising (considering they're working on storylines for season 5) and a bit worrisome. I just hope they have backup scripts in store in case of premature cancellation.

Of course a full season 4 would be incredible, but I'm with you: I'll take a shortened 13-16 episode season in order to wrap things up. If the series gets cancelled abruptly after a cliffhanger I may never watch Fox again. They can take their American Idol and X-Factor and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.

[geometric_sum]

Audience simply hates the alternate world. Though the writers have attempted to make Walternate and Fauxlivia more humane, we don't buy it.I know that I've heard from people - people I didn't even know watched Fringe - that they gave up after the AU storyline was continued. A little bit was OK, but whole episodes, not so much.

Personally - perhaps this is indicative of Fringe viewers - I began not liking the AU characters, but now even look forward to them because I get to see how they are developing. Unfortunately, most viewers require immediate results/gratification/everything in black and white, and Fringe doesn't supply this (YAY!!!).

To paraphrase what someone wrote earlier, Fringe is TV for people with a (flexible) brain.

[capri]

It has nothing to do with intelligence or flexible brains. Fringe is just TV for people willing to watch 56 episodes to make sense of episode 57. Realistically not everybody is willing to put in that level commitment to a TV show.

[Valgrum]

Granted they could have been a tad better, lets face it.
This is GREAT News, after two weeks of declining Ratings
I'm glad to See Fringe going back up that Hill and improve it's Rating.
Let's hope for the next one it get's even higher. Good for you Fringe, give us one of the Best Episodes and your Rating shall increase :happy15:

[ramparts]

I wish I were still in the States to help contribute to the ratings (well, not that I ever lived in a Nielsen household anyway), but alas I am in merry olde England now and will root for you Yanks from across the pond!

[RoughDiamonds]

I didn't mind the Over There episodes for the beginning of S3 only because our Olivia was trapped over there and it was compelling to see how she would find her way back. The world building Over There is interesting and at this point, fans "get it"...difference choices, different outcomes. It was stated somewhere on the forum (I think) that moving forward, any updates regarding AU should be weaved into the episode (like Entrada) and not eps entirely focused on AU only. I agree with this strategy to keep story arcs moving without alienating the viewers and I think it makes for better pacing, but that's just me.

[jay_eilthabhae]

The problem is that currently people are not that interested in alt characters and even though the writers may succeed in getting people attached to them slowly, this is not the correct time to do such a thing........as of now, Fringe has to stay true to its loyal fan's liking and not try to change any of it.....the next 3 weeks are crucial and should cater to what has already worked wonders(Peter, Olivia, Walter) instead of experimenting heavily with development of Alt Characters occupying an entire episode's length

[vesh1717]

^Agreed, but obviously the EPs are already shot long ago... so what is coming, is what is coming. Let's just hope they are compelling. Personally, I don't like AU EPs at all. I find it pretty annoying, and would totally prefer little segments within episodes.

I don't see how casual viewers would watch AU EPs.

[HarveyMidnight]

The problem is, I can't (and I don't think others can, either) see past the fact that Walternate and Fauxlivia are villains.. there's all this talk of 'shades of grey' and how they are only trying to protect their own world.

But sorry, Walternate is behind the shapeshifters coming to the Blue side and killing hundreds--- I suspect "the pattern" was probably his doing all along... HE is the one credited with writing the ZFT manuscript on his side... and he's got no excuse, he knows the Blue side haven't been sending operatives & soldiers into the Red Universe.

Fauxlivia has no excuse, either--- she has now seen all the Fringe activity reports & all the intel about Peter, Walter, and Olivia. Faux-O know knows darn well there's no gear-up for an attack happening on the Blue side.



I do wonder, tho...if the producers believe there's interest in the AU characters, like Lincoln & Charlie... does this partly show them it may have been a mistake to kill off Charlie?

[jay_eilthabhae]

The problem is, I can't (and I don't think others can, either) see past the fact that Walternate and Fauxlivia are villains.. there's all this talk of 'shades of grey' and how they are only trying to protect their own world.

But sorry, Walternate is behind the shapeshifters coming to the Blue side and killing hundreds--- I suspect "the pattern" was probably his doing all along... HE is the one credited with writing the ZFT manuscript on his side... and he's got no excuse, he knows the Blue side haven't been sending operatives & soldiers into the Red Universe.

Fauxlivia has no excuse, either--- she has now seen all the Fringe activity reports & all the intel about Peter, Walter, and Olivia. Faux-O know knows darn well there's no gear-up for an attack happening on the Blue side.



I do wonder, tho...if the producers believe there's interest in the AU characters, like Lincoln & Charlie... does this partly show them it may have been a mistake to kill off Charlie?

Well being a fan of charlie's character over here, I would say it was a GRAVE mistake to kill off charlie :P

Btw....Walternate did not write the ZFT manuscript (or atleast that's what we know till now)......Walternate wrote a book called ZFT over there....it was to show the difference between the worlds, i.e. over here ZFT was an alleged terrorist organization, while over there it was a book which explained the natural decay of their universe by giving them a bunch of lies because they don't want the general public to know that there is an alternate universe they are at war with.........So yeah, Walternate just wrote a book called ZFT, there's nothing "evi" or "bad" about it...

[Roxiestar74]

The problem is, I can't (and I don't think others can, either) see past the fact that Walternate and Fauxlivia are villains.. there's all this talk of 'shades of grey' and how they are only trying to protect their own world.

But sorry, Walternate is behind the shapeshifters coming to the Blue side and killing hundreds--- I suspect "the pattern" was probably his doing all along... HE is the one credited with writing the ZFT manuscript on his side... and he's got no excuse, he knows the Blue side haven't been sending operatives & soldiers into the Red Universe.

Fauxlivia has no excuse, either--- she has now seen all the Fringe activity reports & all the intel about Peter, Walter, and Olivia. Faux-O know knows darn well there's no gear-up for an attack happening on the Blue side.



I do wonder, tho...if the producers believe there's interest in the AU characters, like Lincoln & Charlie... does this partly show them it may have been a mistake to kill off Charlie?

I can forgive Fauxlivia for some of the things she has done (not for murdering that deaf guy though, that was horrible), because I think that she has been brainwashed by Walternate to think of the Blue Universe as the enemy, and is having a hard time breaking away from that mentality, but I think Walternate is pure evil, and I refuse to be convinced otherwise by the show's producers who claim that Walternate is the biggest victim of all and people should have sympathy for him because of that. Just because someone has been victimized doesn't make it right for them to go kill innocent people. Walternate's an evil f***er and no one is going to change my mind about that. I will especially never forgive him for attempting to kill Ourlivia, who he knew was the woman that his son loved. You can't get much colder than that!

I hated when Charlie was killed in Season 2, and seeing him in the Alt Universe is one of the best things about it for me. I don't love Fauxlivia but I do love her interactions with Alt Charlie, and it makes me miss the interactions between Ourlivia and Charlie. I can take or leave Lincoln though. He doesn't do much for me. Altstrid is okay, but I like ours much better, and as you can tell, I hate Walternate.

[RoughDiamonds]

I love Charlie/AltCharlie...and while I was sad that he was replaced by a shapeshifter that was then killed by Olivia, I do not think it was a mistake to kill Charlie off. I think it is interesting to juxtapose the universes knowing that some characters live and others die. Watching AltCharlie evokes pangs of sadness that our side has lost such a potential hero and great friend to Olivia. Seeing AltBroyles' family life, his standing up for what he believes in, and ultimately his sacrifice gives me hope that our Broyles has yet to have his shining moment. That Olivia persists despite the obstacles life has put in front of her contrasted against AltLivia's mostly perfect life which although happier, has not made her a very deep or empathic individual. The idea of parallel universes and the theme of the "road not taken" has been intrincately woven into the mythology. The writers have given themselves a very challenging task to keep this type of storytelling in balance and it is expected that some eps will not garner as much love as others but to hear that some folks (not necessarily on this forum) won't watch an ep simply because it is set in the AU...that seems extreme to me.