I'm sorry but

[fringelover31422]

does anyone else just crack up during that first scene with Peter and Olivia and breakfast when Peter says he saw their relationship and it was "beautiful" ? Sorry, but I just find it the most hilarious thing ever :haha::haha:
Oh Peter, there are so many other adjectives you could have used like: good, awesome, amazing, the best, better than anything I'd ever imagined...

[altprime]

"good, awesome, amazing, the best"

trite and bland. They don't really tell you anything. It's how I describe a good meal.

"better than anything I'd ever imagined"

Sounds like an insincere line.

Beautiful is simplistic, evocative and most of all, it sounds sincere.

[tricked]

IDK .... yes and no.

Granted, it was extremely cheezy and out of character for the Peter we know thus far, imo.

But on the other hand, if he was just being a completely open, and honest, and VULNERABLE person ... then what he said was just that. He was being completely vulnerable and honest with Olivia. Cheezy doesn't apply when people are just being emotionally naked before each other.

On the one hand, it was one of the cheeziest scenes in Fringe thus far ... but on the other hand, it was one of the most mature moments I've seen out of Peter. He behaved like a vulnerable and merciful creature. In fact, for almost the entire episode he did ... towards Walter, Olivia, etc and so forth. He behaved like a loving son, an understanding "partner" for Olivia, a mature investigator.

I don't like the fact that we just came off the idea of a "weaponized Peter" who lies and cons, and now to this ... this "perfect son/husband/father/confidant/FBI consultant Peter". The transition was too quick and slick. But ... if this is the Peter we will now see for a couple of episodes, and not a whiney drama-queen ... then good for him. He said all the right things, because he spoke from the heart. Simple as that.

[FringeBinge]

I think Peter's dialogue for this episode was great overall. This stands in contrast to Reciprocity where the dialogue written for his character sucked. I personally had no problem with his use of the word "beautiful".

[Olive_Dunham]

I liked it--that he said beautiful-
Awesome, cool and all those other words dont sound like Peter...
They're like `Dude!!!'

'Beautiful was more sincere and subtle, sublime

[*anna*]

It was a perfect scene, even though they disdaned the yummy breakfast......
*beautyful* fitted

[PB]

IDK .... yes and no.

Granted, it was extremely cheezy and out of character for the Peter we know thus far, imo.

But on the other hand, if he was just being a completely open, and honest, and VULNERABLE person ... then what he said was just that. He was being completely vulnerable and honest with Olivia. Cheezy doesn't apply when people are just being emotionally naked before each other.

If you try to see the moment from the perspective of a man who has a deep-seated sentimental side than his use of the word beautiful would seem perfectly natural. Try to see things from Peter's perspective, Peter didn't have the opportunity to enjoy a stable functional life at home growing up because Walter was losing his mind and his mother was both grieving for her real son and trying to cope with the lie that she and Walter were living. The only real experience Peter had with a normal loving family was with his real mother and Walternate but the vast majority of those memories are lost to him (probably because Walter subjected him to routine electrical shock therapy :tears2:), though he may still have a subconscious sentimental longing for the stable and loving environment he enjoyed with his real parents. With that in mind it's definitely understandable how someone like Peter can appreciate more than most the idea of an intimate relationship at home with someone that he loves and trusts completely.

Some people grow up in homes with stable, loving, healthy and supportive families and others do not, Peter is definitely the latter and likely sees in Olivia a chance at the normal life that was stolen from him when Walter whisked him away from the other side and failed to bring him back.

But if you were going to pick out a moment from this episode that came across as cheesy how about when Peter and Olivia kiss the first time in the bar and Olivia pulls back because Peter is 'sparkling' :haha:

[sweetfringe]

does anyone else just crack up during that first scene with Peter and Olivia and breakfast when Peter says he saw their relationship and it was "beautiful" ? Sorry, but I just find it the most hilarious thing ever :haha::haha:
Oh Peter, there are so many other adjectives you could have used like: good, awesome, amazing, the best, better than anything I'd ever imagined...

who was cringing at some of Peter's dialogue. But, I think Peter's an undercover romantic, so that's why he's a bit cheesy when expressing his feelings to Olivia. :P Albeit a bit awkward. My only problem is his "That's where you draw the line?" bit.

Yeah, it was clever when he said it to Fauxlivia, but now... it's getting kinda clicheed.

Is it just me? But this is the first Fringe in a long time when I have to rewatch it over and over again on DVR. I was a bit meh about the episode before when I first watched it -- I guess partly because of last week's disappointment, but it seems that Fringe is back in form.

[Walteristic!]

Beautiful was the best thing he could have said. It was very.. sublime and sweet.

Gosh, did I love 6B!!

[Cortexiphan]

Agree. I dont see any problem with a beautiful relationship :P

@ Olive_Dumham & Walteristic: some cool banners you guys got there. Love them, gotta find myself one right naooooo!!

[tricked]

If you try to see the moment from the perspective of a man who has a deep-seated sentimental side than his use of the word beautiful would seem perfectly natural. Try to see things from Peter's perspective, Peter didn't have the opportunity to enjoy a stable functional life at home growing up because Walter was losing his mind and his mother was both grieving for her real son and trying to cope with the lie that she and Walter were living. The only real experience Peter had with a normal loving family was with his real mother and Walternate but the vast majority of those memories are lost to him (probably because Walter subjected him to routine electrical shock therapy :tears2:), though he may still have a subconscious sentimental longing for the stable and loving environment he enjoyed with his real parents. With that in mind it's definitely understandable how someone like Peter can appreciate more than most the idea of an intimate relationship at home with someone that he loves and trusts completely.

Some people grow up in homes with stable, loving, healthy and supportive families and others do not, Peter is definitely the latter and likely sees in Olivia a chance at the normal life that was stolen from him when Walter whisked him away from the other side and failed to bring him back.

But if you were going to pick out a moment from this episode that came across as cheesy how about when Peter and Olivia kiss the first time in the bar and Olivia pulls back because Peter is 'sparkling' :haha: Yes I already understand Peter's perspective ... quite well actually. And I don't think he has a deep-seated sentimental side. I assume most viewers want to think he has a deep-seated sentimental side because a)he's hot b)most people settle for mediocrity in a person and try to convince themselves otherwise increasing their own cognitive dissonance, so when they see a few good qualities mixed in with that "mystique" they tell themselves things to rationalize liking someone more than they should c)he's hot.

If you read what you are saying carefully, I think you will see that you are describing Peter as a child who never grew up, and now he sees Olivia as a stable and safe mother figure who will provide a secure and loving home for him. This is a healthy "step" to becoming a grown up for Peter ... but just a step. Not the ultimate destination. His deep-seated whatever is a neediness and vulnerability because he is lacking, not because he's sentimental imo.

Now ... in all seriousness, the word "beautiful" was subtely used by him I think, depending on how you look at it. That's why I offerred two points of view, as I saw it ... one where it was cheezy, and one where it was naked and honest and a mature moment for him. The reason being ... physically beautiful women often hear that word spoken to them. "Hey beautiful," or "what's up beautiful," so on and so forth. After awhile, it can have a negative connotation to it ... or one where it actually makes a guy appear quite shallow when it comes out of his mouth, like he couldn't think of anything more personalized or original. This isn't a "rule of thumb" or whatever ... everyone has their own preference. But I know several people who cannot stand hearing it. Regardless of what that says about them ...

For me personally, the word "beautiful" has a very special meaning, known only to me :). So if I use the word with someone, and they don't understand the way I am using it and they don't like it ... then it's their loss as far as I'm concerned. So this is why I actually don't have a problem with that scene ... because I think Peter used it in a way that was special to him, and he wanted to share it. The word beautiful, with a beautiful woman, about a beautiful future. Cheezy ... to some. Naked and honest and vulnerable ... to some as well. Including me.

And yeah ... the "am I shining" while kissing thing lol. Yeah, that was gratuitous cheeze :) lol

[TheOtherMe]

Yes I already understand Peter's perspective ... quite well actually. And I don't think he has a deep-seated sentimental side. I assume most viewers want to think he has a deep-seated sentimental side because a)he's hot b)most people settle for mediocrity in a person and try to convince themselves otherwise increasing their own cognitive dissonance, so when they see a few good qualities mixed in with that "mystique" they tell themselves things to rationalize liking someone more than they should c)he's hot.

If you read what you are saying carefully, I think you will see that you are describing Peter as a child who never grew up, and now he sees Olivia as a stable and safe mother figure who will provide a secure and loving home for him. This is a healthy "step" to becoming a grown up for Peter ... but just a step. Not the ultimate destination. His deep-seated whatever is a neediness and vulnerability because he is lacking, not because he's sentimental imo.

Now ... in all seriousness, the word "beautiful" was subtely used by him I think, depending on how you look at it. That's why I offerred two points of view, as I saw it ... one where it was cheezy, and one where it was naked and honest and a mature moment for him. The reason being ... physically beautiful women often hear that word spoken to them. "Hey beautiful," or "what's up beautiful," so on and so forth. After awhile, it can have a negative connotation to it ... or one where it actually makes a guy appear quite shallow when it comes out of his mouth, like he couldn't think of anything more personalized or original. This isn't a "rule of thumb" or whatever ... everyone has their own preference. But I know several people who cannot stand hearing it. Regardless of what that says about them ...

For me personally, the word "beautiful" has a very special meaning, known only to me :). So if I use the word with someone, and they don't understand the way I am using it and they don't like it ... then it's their loss as far as I'm concerned. So this is why I actually don't have a problem with that scene ... because I think Peter used it in a way that was special to him, and he wanted to share it. The word beautiful, with a beautiful woman, about a beautiful future. Cheezy ... to some. Naked and honest and vulnerable ... to some as well. Including me.

And yeah ... the "am I shining" while kissing thing lol. Yeah, that was gratuitous cheeze :) lol


This:happy15::happy15:

It also could be that maturity in this case could also be something more physical. Peter's relationship with the machine emphisizes on the point that Peter has never been a solid character...he has a dual persona, which comes up as lacking, but what if it is truly "dual".

What if Peter does have another beings DNA or the machine triggers a virus?

In White Tulip Peter explains that he finds Deja vu too mystical for his tastes--the idea that people have it because they are "on track" with their own destiny. He suggests that maybe it's because he is not on track with his.

I explored this in "Ghost in the Machine..." in the 'anything is possible area'
Here: http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9259

I think that if it is not a virus, then perhaps he shares DNA with another. The 'a first person' makes good sense, but I also wonder about 'both Peters' being converged.

In "6B" they introduced this concept of 'spooky action at a distance' --feelings causing havoc on the universe, but Walter also brought up that William Bell believed that one could preserve the essence/energy of a person's soul and come back 'after death'.

Once I see the transcript I will add that coversation to the post, as I find it rather leading piece of information...possibly forshaddowing many things to come...

[Walteristic!]

@ Olive_Dumham & Walteristic: some cool banners you guys got there. Love them, gotta find myself one right naooooo!!

Thank you so much, Cortexiphan!! :):)

[Amy]

And I don't think he has a deep-seated sentimental side. I assume most viewers want to think he has a deep-seated sentimental side because a)he's hot b)most people settle for mediocrity in a person and try to convince themselves otherwise increasing their own cognitive dissonance, so when they see a few good qualities mixed in with that "mystique" they tell themselves things to rationalize liking someone more than they should c)he's hot.

From 1.18 Midnight


OLIVIA: And I thought you were a card-carrying cynic.
PETER: I am, world class. But there's an argument to be made that beneath every cynic, there is a frustrated romantic.

I do think Peter has a deep-seated sentimental side :love0050:

[tricked]

From 1.18 Midnight



I do think Peter has a deep-seated sentimental side :love0050: Yes and thank you for supporting my point :)

[Joe Curwen]

From 1.18 Midnight


Quote:
OLIVIA: And I thought you were a card-carrying cynic.
PETER: I am, world class. But there's an argument to be made that beneath every cynic, there is a frustrated romantic.
I do think Peter has a deep-seated sentimental side :love0050:

Good call Amy. The quote above is a nod to the movie Casablanca, and using the word "beautiful" in describing a relationship was too. It's all in character with the proper set up. Pretty nice.

--
Joe

[tricked]

Good call Amy. The quote above is a nod to the movie Casablanca, and using the word "beautiful" in describing a relationship was too. It's all in character with the proper set up. Pretty nice.

--
Joe Ooohh .... Casablanca references. Interesting :) Makes Brown Betty stand out even more now me thinx.

So what other CB references are there?

And can we expect a "here's looking at you kid," in reference to someone? lol :).

[Joe Curwen]

Ooohh .... Casablanca references. Interesting :) Makes Brown Betty stand out even more now me thinx.

So what other CB references are there?

Hmmmm, lessee, the one that Amy mentioned, there was one in Gray Matters, Brown Betty, and The Abducted. Maybe there's more, but I'm not sure.


And can we expect a "here's looking at you kid," in reference to someone? lol :).

LOL, no...I'm thinking that apart from the minor character beat that Peter is like Rick (frustrated romantic), I think they are foreshadowing that Peter/Olivia/Altlivia love triangle is going to end in tragedy as all the best romances do (I'm paraphrasing Peter's lines from the Abducted). We won't hear it, but I'm sure that a "the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world" is coming on.

--
Joe

[Arco]

Well, if Pete & Olivia's relationship survives his shapeshifter killing and the BundleOfDoom "Fauxtus" (as someone called it) revelation, there's still the collision of two universes for them to worry about. It's possible that one or both of them will die to save the universes.

I remember the line from "The Bishop Revival," when Alfred Hoffman says that soon only the photos will remain. Photographs have been prominent in this season's episodes as Roco has pointed out so I think that there's some foreshadowing there.

[jay_eilthabhae]

"Awesome" would have been better than Beautiful??? Mate...he was talking about his relationship with Olivia, not a Manchester United Vs Chelsea game :P

[ramparts]

Peter's already hinted that deep down he's a hopeless romantic. I think that line is completely in character for him. And yes, "beautiful" is a much better word for this situation than "awesome" :P

[tricked]

Hmmmm, lessee, the one that Amy mentioned, there was one in Gray Matters, Brown Betty, and The Abducted. Maybe there's more, but I'm not sure.



LOL, no...I'm thinking that apart from the minor character beat that Peter is like Rick (frustrated romantic), I think they are foreshadowing that Peter/Olivia/Altlivia love triangle is going to end in tragedy as all the best romances do (I'm paraphrasing Peter's lines from the Abducted). We won't hear it, but I'm sure that a "the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world" is coming on.

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Joe Or wouldn't it be "a Little Hill of beans ..." lol :)


Well, if Pete & Olivia's relationship survives his shapeshifter killing and the BundleOfDoom "Fauxtus" (as someone called it) revelation, there's still the collision of two universes for them to worry about. It's possible that one or both of them will die to save the universes.Fauxtus !!! :happy15:

[tricked]

Hmmmm, lessee, the one that Amy mentioned, there was one in Gray Matters, Brown Betty, and The Abducted. Maybe there's more, but I'm not sure. I just watched parts of "Abducted" for the first time. I actually haven't seen all the episodes for this season yet. The Casablanca references now make more sense lol ... :ashamed0001::ashamed0001::ashamed0001:

[Omniscient_Jay]

"Awesome" would have been better than Beautiful??? Mate...he was talking about his relationship with Olivia, not a Manchester United Vs Chelsea game :P

PETER: I've seen what we look like together, and it's kickass!

OLIVIA:...um...alright...

Heheh.:P

[tricked]

PETER: I've seen what we look like together, and it's kickass!

OLIVIA:...um...alright...

Heheh.:P Earlier, I was going to jokingly post and use that exact same word in place of "beautiful" :happy15::happy15::happy15:. I almost started a parody thread for it ... lol

Except Olivia's response to it was going to be, "effin A, man ..." :tiphat:

[PB]

Yes I already understand Peter's perspective ... quite well actually. And I don't think he has a deep-seated sentimental side. I assume most viewers want to think he has a deep-seated sentimental side because a)he's hot b)most people settle for mediocrity in a person and try to convince themselves otherwise increasing their own cognitive dissonance, so when they see a few good qualities mixed in with that "mystique" they tell themselves things to rationalize liking someone more than they should c)he's hot.

If you read what you are saying carefully, I think you will see that you are describing Peter as a child who never grew up, and now he sees Olivia as a stable and safe mother figure who will provide a secure and loving home for him. This is a healthy "step" to becoming a grown up for Peter ... but just a step. Not the ultimate destination. His deep-seated whatever is a neediness and vulnerability because he is lacking, not because he's sentimental imo.

First of all, as we already know, Joshua Jackson is virtually indistinguishable from a young Conway Twitty, that's not hot. (I've included a photo of middle-aged Conway Twitty so you can all get a good hard look at what Joshua is gonna look like in another fifteen to twenty years or so)

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/20/128820255203534606.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uimJ3rCW_zw/0.jpg

The assumption that Peter has a deep-seated sentimental side comes from a couple of things. First, at one point in the first season (and I wish I could recall the exact episode and line but I cannot) Peter thanks Olivia because her recruitment of Peter and Walter gave Peter the opportunity to enjoy a relationship with his father that he didn't have as a child. Being a young independent adult, he wouldn't care the least bit about this were he not a little sentimental. Second, after growing up with a suicidal mother and a clinically insane father it's not hard to imagine Peter craving a life with someone stable like Olivia. After all, what other than sentimentality can explain a line like this:

"I still think about her because I spent so long imagining going down that path with you, imagining what it would be like to wake up in a bed next to you, to sit around, just the two of us, having a cup of coffee, reading the paper, and then finally I had it."

What guy really imagines sitting around drinking a cup of coffee and reading the newspaper when he's fantasizing about his dream girl. I've had my fair share of dream girls, and if I'm gonna fantasize, it's probably not going to involve drinking a cup of coffee and reading the newspaper. Let's face it, Peter is pretty damn emo.

I definitely don't think Peter is trying to connect with Olivia to satisfy some Oedipal "please love me mommy" urge to fill the void that was left in his childhood by his severely emotionally and mentally scarred pseudo-parents from another dimension. I just think he wants a functional and stable life in one place with someone he loves and trusts, which seems perfectly natural for someone who has gone through what he has gone through.

I don't think the assumptions about Peter's sentimental side really stem from self-deluding cognitive dissonance brought on by his hypnotically dashing Conway Twitty good looks, I just think he's a sappy guy with old-fashioned family values. Kind of a boring dude. I actually much prefer the rogue lose-cannon shape-shifter slaying side to his personality myself. But to each their own. :P

[ikkokusenkin]

Beautiful was the best thing he could have said. It was very.. sublime and sweet.
Exactly. And, moreover, it got him into her pants, didn't it? End of discussion LOL :D

[capri]

PETER: I've seen what we look like together, and it's Epic!

OLIVIA:...um...alright...

Heheh.:P

fixed it for you ^

[tricked]

First of all, as we already know, Joshua Jackson is virtually indistinguishable from a young Conway Twitty, that's not hot. (I've included a photo of middle-aged Conway Twitty so you can all get a good hard look at what Joshua is gonna look like in another fifteen to twenty years or so)

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/20/128820255203534606.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uimJ3rCW_zw/0.jpg

The assumption that Peter has a deep-seated sentimental side comes from a couple of things. First, at one point in the first season (and I wish I could recall the exact episode and line but I cannot) Peter thanks Olivia because her recruitment of Peter and Walter gave Peter the opportunity to enjoy a relationship with his father that he didn't have as a child. Being a young independent adult, he wouldn't care the least bit about this were he not a little sentimental. Second, after growing up with a suicidal mother and a clinically insane father it's not hard to imagine Peter craving a life with someone stable like Olivia. After all, what other than sentimentality can explain a line like this:

"I still think about her because I spent so long imagining going down that path with you, imagining what it would be like to wake up in a bed next to you, to sit around, just the two of us, having a cup of coffee, reading the paper, and then finally I had it."

What guy really imagines sitting around drinking a cup of coffee and reading the newspaper when he's fantasizing about his dream girl. I've had my fair share of dream girls, and if I'm gonna fantasize, it's probably not going to involve drinking a cup of coffee and reading the newspaper. Let's face it, Peter is pretty damn emo.

I definitely don't think Peter is trying to connect with Olivia to satisfy some Oedipal "please love me mommy" urge to fill the void that was left in his childhood by his severely emotionally and mentally scarred pseudo-parents from another dimension. I just think he wants a functional and stable life in one place with someone he loves and trusts, which seems perfectly natural for someone who has gone through what he has gone through.

I don't think the assumptions about Peter's sentimental side really stem from self-deluding cognitive dissonance brought on by his hypnotically dashing Conway Twitty good looks, I just think he's a sappy guy with old-fashioned family values. Kind of a boring dude. I actually much prefer the rogue lose-cannon shape-shifter slaying side to his personality myself. But to each their own. :P Sweet Jeebus you are dead on with the Conway Twitty doppelganger!

Does that mean that Twitty was a First People? lol :). And if for any reason Peter Bishop dies, or Josh Jackson quits ... we know that Twitty can take his place in operating the device lol :)

Okay all kidding (and Twitty-revelations) aside, I'm not blind. I see your point. I see all the JJ fan points. And to say he's not hot ... is simply going to put you into the minority, assuming you are being honest with yourself lol :). A poll would tell us what the majority thinks ;)

As far as a character on a TV show ... YES we are supposed to think he's doing the best he can with a troubled past. YES we are supposed to see him with a sentimental side. YES we are supposed to want to see him with Olivia, yet feel the emotional tear of sympathizing, slowly but surely, with Fauxlivia and BabyFaux. YES we are supposed to want to see him and Olivia have sex. YES we are supposed to see Peter as a slight bad-boy, lone wolf, highly intelligent ladies man who keeps his cool and can get any girl, but chooses to go for Olivia. Whatever the writers are trying to make the average person feel, YES YES YES I understand all those angles and takes on the Peter Bishop character :).

No need to point out the obvious :).

I simply enjoy throwing out there some other thoughts to the table. If Peter were a real life person (and not fictitious) ... my assessment would have validity. If we were to apply his actions to a real life person, his "hotness" and "troubled past" would start to become less of a focus as we realized he was toying with the universe and the lives of our families. If we were to psychologically break him down ... YES he is seeking a stable mother figure and home life. I have almost no doubt about it :). Does he consciously recognize it? Of course not. It's mixed in with his age and lifestyle, and current emotional state. But it's there. His love for Olivia? A need for a stable figure in his life. His love for Fauxlivia? Was NOT his belief it was Olivia. He was immaturly fooling himself. His love for Fauxlivia was the need to be with an equal. She was, and is, his equal.

Is the show going to toss this bit of psychobabble reality into it? I doubt it lol. The shows deviates so far from reality lately that it is laughable. Because if you examine what they want you to feel about P/O ... it falls in line with any common daytime soap opera character. It's why the "outcry" lately from some of the fans. Some of us don't want to be told what to swallow emotionally about the characters ... some of us would still like their to be intrigue and mystery to certain aspects of the characters we watch. Not everyone wants to feel what the writers might like to direct us to feel and think. That's part of the basis of Fringe :). Or was ... and still is to a large degree.

I know people akin to the Peter Bishop character IRL, and have known them for years ... and so I might actually know a little bit about what I'm speaking of :).

That having been said, I refuse to simply digest the pap, like some thoughtless zombie, which surrou ...... ALL GLORY TO PETER BISHOP AND THE LOVE TRIANGLE. ALL GLORY TO PETER BISHO .....

lol :)


Exactly. And, moreover, it got him into her pants, didn't it? End of discussion LOL :D Aaaaa - ooooo !!!! :happy15:

[Joe Curwen]

Exactly. And, moreover, it got him into her pants, didn't it? End of discussion LOL :D

Hahahahaha! Good one :happy15:

Friday night at 10
You sit and laugh at Peter
While Peter gets laid

Internet haiku invalidates your argument. :haha:

--
Joe

[HarveyMidnight]

Hahahahaha! Good one :happy15:

Friday night at 10
You sit and laugh at Peter
While Peter gets laid

Internet haiku invalidates your argument. :haha:

--
Joe
:tiphat:

[PB]

Is the show going to toss this bit of psychobabble reality into it? I doubt it lol. The shows deviates so far from reality lately that it is laughable. Because if you examine what they want you to feel about P/O ... it falls in line with any common daytime soap opera character. It's why the "outcry" lately from some of the fans. Some of us don't want to be told what to swallow emotionally about the characters ... some of us would still like their to be intrigue and mystery to certain aspects of the characters we watch. Not everyone wants to feel what the writers might like to direct us to feel and think. That's part of the basis of Fringe :). Or was ... and still is to a large degree.

I agree that they have been shoving P/O down our throats ever since Olivia returned from the other side. It would have been nice if P/O could have been put on the back burner for awhile after the P/Faux revelation. I didn't mind all of the awkwardness and angst, it mixes up the chemistry, I just wish it hadn't been the central focus in every episode since 'Entrada' (with the exception of 'Immortality', and that was only because it was a Red Universe ep). On the other hand, the P/O love connection has been developing since early in season one, so pre-determined soap opera love story or not it was pretty clear how the writers wanted us to feel about P/O and that it would only be a matter of time before it took center stage.


His love for Olivia? A need for a stable figure in his life. His love for Fauxlivia? Was NOT his belief it was Olivia. He was immaturly fooling himself. His love for Fauxlivia was the need to be with an equal. She was, and is, his equal.

I would argue that Fauxlivia and Olivia both are ringers for Peter as far as compatibility goes, but for completely different reasons. Fauxlivia is an extroverted care-free fun-loving gal who looks exactly like Olivia but doesn't carry any of the emotional baggage. Given the choice, Peter would much rather be out having a good time as opposed to moping around and brooding about the pattern or the fate of the universe, Fauxlivia accommodates this side of his personality. Olivia on the other hand is an emotionally vulnerable, brooding, introverted intellectual who appeals to Peter's intellect and sentimental side. She also appeals to Peter's street-smart con-man sensibilities as a girl who know her way around a bottle of whiskey and a deck of cards and also has an uncanny ability to read people. I think it has been the intent of the writers all along to present Fauxlivia/Olivia as the two sides of the same coin that Peter would be inevitably drawn to.


Sweet Jeebus you are dead on with the Conway Twitty doppelganger!

Okay all kidding (and Twitty-revelations) aside, I'm not blind. I see your point. I see all the JJ fan points. And to say he's not hot ... is simply going to put you into the minority, assuming you are being honest with yourself lol :). A poll would tell us what the majority thinks ;)

If I'm going to be completely honest with myself I have to admit I've had a massive man-crush on Joshua Jackson ever since I first started following this show, and by the transitive property of man-crushes and celebrity doppelgangers the only conclusion that can be drawn is that I must have a massive man-crush on Conway Twitty. The psychological damage caused by this revelation will likely take years of therapy to remedy, but I don't think it will hamper my enjoyment of Fringe any :D

[tricked]

Hahahahaha! Good one :happy15:

Friday night at 10
You sit and laugh at Peter
While Peter gets laid

Internet haiku invalidates your argument. :haha:

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Joe Bravo! Bravo! :happy15::party0011::hooray:


I agree that they have been shoving P/O down our throats ever since Olivia returned from the other side. It would have been nice if P/O could have been put on the back burner for awhile after the P/Faux revelation. I didn't mind all of the awkwardness and angst, it mixes up the chemistry, I just wish it hadn't been the central focus in every episode since 'Entrada' (with the exception of 'Immortality', and that was only because it was a Red Universe ep). On the other hand, the P/O love connection has been developing since early in season one, so pre-determined soap opera love story or not it was pretty clear how the writers wanted us to feel about P/O and that it would only be a matter of time before it took center stage. true enough ...


I would argue that Fauxlivia and Olivia both are ringers for Peter as far as compatibility goes, but for completely different reasons. Fauxlivia is an extroverted care-free fun-loving gal who looks exactly like Olivia but doesn't carry any of the emotional baggage. Given the choice, Peter would much rather be out having a good time as opposed to moping around and brooding about the pattern or the fate of the universe, Fauxlivia accommodates this side of his personality. Olivia on the other hand is an emotionally vulnerable, brooding, introverted intellectual who appeals to Peter's intellect and sentimental side. She also appeals to Peter's street-smart con-man sensibilities as a girl who know her way around a bottle of whiskey and a deck of cards and also has an uncanny ability to read people. I think it has been the intent of the writers all along to present Fauxlivia/Olivia as the two sides of the same coin that Peter would be inevitably drawn to. Well, I still disagree with some of these assessments, but it's all good. I'm P/O'ed out lol :)


If I'm going to be completely honest with myself I have to admit I've had a massive man-crush on Joshua Jackson ever since I first started following this show, and by the transitive property of man-crushes and celebrity doppelgangers the only conclusion that can be drawn is that I must have a massive man-crush on Conway Twitty. The psychological damage caused by this revelation will likely take years of therapy to remedy, but I don't think it will hamper my enjoyment of Fringe any :D You are a brave soul. I see the beginnings of a Twitty-Man-Crush support group in your future ...

But on a related note, I have no issue at all admitting that the swagger of good 'ol September has my admiration every time he's on screen. That magnifficent ************** lol :) I do believe he was birthed and fashioined from the Old Spice Factory of the future .... :happy15:

[Alt_Mojo]

Exactly. And, moreover, it got him into her pants, didn't it? End of discussion LOL :D

Along those lines, maybe he was just describing what she looked like naked.

[MaDdster]

It's amazing how one line can spur so much...conversation. ;)
I was actually d'awwwing after he said that. I found it to be cute. XD

[tricked]

It's amazing how one line can spur so much...conversation. ;) I know right! It is interesting the lines we pick up on and the ones we don't even care enough about to remember five minutes later ....

[bonnie scotland]

I def think peter is hot .I am however a gal, so what do I know!!However, the beautiful line would not have got him into my pants...because he was describing the Holivia relationship ( and the things he hadn't got to with our-Olivia i.e the sex stuff) ...had he said -hey you know you came across a universe for me, that was beautiful...then my clothes would have dropped off in the hallway. but I was left thinking yuk!!the writers made JJ unsexy- hows' that for a trick!!!However, he deserved to be rwarded for his outstanding patience and understanding...clearly he's never heard the phrase treat em mean and keep em keen.

[MaDdster]

I def think peter is hot .I am however a gal, so what do I know!!However, the beautiful line would not have got him into my pants...because he was describing the Holivia relationship ( and the things he hadn't got to with our-Olivia i.e the sex stuff) ...had he said -hey you know you came across a universe for me, that was beautiful...then my clothes would have dropped off in the hallway. but I was left thinking yuk!!the writers made JJ unsexy- hows' that for a trick!!!However, he deserved to be rwarded for his outstanding patience and understanding...clearly he's never heard the phrase treat em mean and keep em keen.

I don't find Peter 'hot' but I do think he's cute. :P And yeah, it would take a lot more than THAT to get into my pants. I usually go for the bada** guys...so I agree with the last sentence... :haha:

[ikkokusenkin]

Hahahahaha! Good one :happy15:

Friday night at 10
You sit and laugh at Peter
While Peter gets laid

Internet haiku invalidates your argument. :haha:

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Joe
+1 :tiphat: