Beyond the Fringe, chapter 6B is out.
And in another timeline..... Walter quits science and joins up with Violet Sedan Chair.
It's for reasons like this which I stopped reading the comics after Peter did his thing with the Machine lol ....
Originally Posted by Lij
And why i can't take the comic-explanation as canon above what the show implies (Peter causing his own disappearance vs the Observers doing it)
That's the problem with the comics ... the digital comics are supposed to be canon (the one arc of them at least). The thing I had to realize, which I think helps in concerning that one arc, if nothing else, is:
Originally Posted by phx219
* the storyline that follows Peter through time, up till he interacts with the Observer, when he finally realizes which choice he needs to make, is ONE version of Peter.
* the Peter who ends up talking to that Old Man Peter, has not met September in the Machine, has not spread the Machine out through time as far as I can tell, etc and so forth. Old Man Peter influences the young man Peter, and it's THIS Peter we see dismount from the Machine.
So I might could say that Old Man Peter, with September's influence, helped to decide and prepare Young Man Peter for the possible erasure. He said there might be collateral damage or something to that effect. Maybe pain. He might not have long to talk to the others once he dismounts, so he needs to make it quick. However, I don't think Young Man Peter understood what this entailed, and so I don't think YMP was willfully deciding and enabling his erasure. I think September and the Observers were enabling the physical erasure, via OMP's understanding that he needed to be removed from the equation, if that makes sense.
But it's still hard to take the comics seriously imo, although I try to. The Season One comics are even more clusterfarked in those regards :-(
I've read some of the S1 comics, and they seemed almost like random anthology stories, and didn't really link too directly with the show, except maybe one with Nina (which actually still fits the show, since it dealt with her issues about profession vs family, i believe) and i *really* like the Time Travel/Nazi/Machine/Robert Bishop comic - its always seemed, to me, to be the most important of them all, yet it still doesn't fit. Its always stood out in my mind.
I haven't read the new comics yet. As long as they leave it open to interpretation that the Observers enacted the rewrite, then I suppose its okay.
That Time Travel/Nazi/Machine/Robert Bishop stuff was AWESOME.
Originally Posted by phx219
What if the comics reflect the pre-mistake timeline ? The "perfect" one ?
Regardless, it was up in the air at the time whether they were canon, semi-canon, completely non-canon. Most of us took them as "semi-canon", because the release dates of the comics were reworked so that they coincided with the episodes we had seen up to that point, etc and so forth. In trying to find supporting evidence they were "canon" on any level, I haven't been able to google-fu those references. But I seem to remember something along those lines, and the wiki concerning them says this:
On August 27, 2008, a prequel comic book (leading right up to the moment in the pilot where Olivia 'first' meets Walter) written by Zack Whedon, the series was released by DC Comics under itsWildStorm imprint. This was to be the first issue of a monthly 6-issue limited series but the others were delayed until January 2009, when monthly publication resumed, with the sixth and final issue scheduled for release on June 17.
The Vice President of WildStorm, Hank Kanalz, explained the publication hiatus: "The writers of the show want to make sure the comic book is integrated into the mythology of the Fringe world, so we have decided to refocus the direction of the comic book. Unfortunately, this means that we will have some delays, but will be back in January."
On June 23, 2010, the first issue of Tales From the Fringe, the second six-part monthly series, was released, while the final issue was released on November 24, 2010.[
The prequel comic actually is the one that was given out at the SD Comic Con before the pilot ever even aired, and it gave detailed bios on the main characters which seemed true enough and reliable as they concerned the episodes. At least as far as I could see. There were even references made to them which coincided. And Broyles, in his speech to Olivia about the Pattern in the pilot, directly references the prequel comic. Plus, as you've read some of the S1 comics ... it takes us right up to the point where Olivia meets Walter and says "hello" and his famous "I knew someone would come, eventually" reply.
So I was soooooooooo hoping they would toe the line with those comics and integrate them more wholey. There are tons of cross references of course .... Walter's dog rufus, for example. Dashiel Kim, yada yada.
The digital ones, that follow Peter in the Machine .... I would strongly recommend you read those (if I understand you correctly, you haven't), because they ARE supposed to be canon. Written by Josh Jackson himself even. But yeah, those Season One comics ... I wanted to see the Fresh Start Soap Company worked in there so badly lol :-)
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Only the Beyond The Fringe 1A-2A-3A comics are 100%, to my recollection. Everything else is up in the air.
I'd also recommend the BTF comics, if only to see what there is to see.
Pretty much, I've read what I've found on the internet, and nothing that I have to buy. I think I read all of the S1 comics, but I'm not 100% on that, and may have missed the "prequel" comic or whatever. I did read quite a few, though; I'll have to start re-checking soon. Since I read them when I started the S1 DVDs (yes, I was slightly late to this party) I would say its probably time for a re-read anyways. I was under the impression that they were all supposed to be canon; And yes, I was waiting for a lot more cross-continuity with the comics on Fringe, as some of them were just as interesting as the show, and had a totally fascinating vibe to them, always just the hint of "but wait! theres more!"... an unexplained depth that made me yearn for more info.
Before Fringe, I was heavily involved in Heroes, and every single one (over a hundred) of the Heroes comics were 100% canon. It led to a lot of bickering among fans over what counted and what didn't, because the average fan coudln't believe that vital show information that they needed to understand the show would be buried on the internet in a web comic...
*DEFINATELY* think we need to re-read them under the premise of "what if this was the original timeline?" and see how it looks through that particular lens!
I don't know where we were talking about the comics or the Nazi stuff, so I just came here.
I just re-read the first part of the first comic, where Bell and Bishop first meet up.... in particular, I wanted to mention....
-Bell mentions his belief in souls.
-Bell accidentally touches LSD
-Bell has "deja vu"
-Bell has flashes of an unknown man
-Bell has visions of a Golden Bird - which looks just like a Nazi symbol of sorts. And I think.. Walter has it on a necklace?
-Walter becomes one of only 6 people in the world to solve a special equation
a later comic involves body swapping consciousness - does that involve soul magnets? and a guy, in jail, named Jones. interesting.
Very much want to know more about the Fresh Start Soap Company. What were they doing with those missing scientists exactly...
these comics leave as many questions as the show
.... a comic where the government says one of them has been implanted to be "activated" when the time is right??
.... why was the time machine found in an *abandoned* warehouse in Argentina??
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