September, Peter, Walternate and the cure

[Stukov]

So the dilemma we have on the boards is, if the mistake was distracting Walternate so not to find the cure...but the proper timeline is Peter not growing up...how exactly does this all fit? I think I figure it out.

1) So, how things was supposed to happen B-Peter dies of the illness (happens each time)
2) Walter watches through window as September distracts Walternate, thus misses the cure (mistake)
3) Walter goes to the other side to save R-Peter, breaking the two worlds (continuation of first mistake)
4) Walter+Peter are saved by September in order to correct first mistake (leading to the path of bridge from the machine)
5) Peter axes himself out of existence through paradox
6) (New timeline) B-Peter dies of illness (again)
7) Walternate doesn't miss cure - cures R-Peter
8) R-Peter dies in CAR CRASH (instead of that other boy - the singers son
9) Walter (or Bell) continue research and cross over - causing the rift


So the answer is that Peter didn't live and wasn't supposed to live, only that he was to be cured, and then later die again. It also appears that the connection of the worlds that eventually required the bridge Peter built - was the way "things are supposed to be" according to the observers.

[Lij]

Maybe....

Though the Observers had said 'the boy' was significant as well as his cure.

I am not sure that the bridge-room (nexus) is "the way things are supposed to be." I think it is the only outcome which approxiamates the way things are supposed to be. That is it is a stop-gap measure which preserves the Bluverse and Redverse. The machine became destined to use because Peter was kidnapped from the Redverse. Thus his personage became the focal point between either destruction or creation. Then the reason Peter should not be around is that he was allowed to be kidnapped and raised by Walter which set Walternate on the course of revenge against Walter and the Bluverse. So should Peter still exist he would represent a continuing bone of contention between the Walters. One which despite the bridge-room might still have the power to destroy both universes even without the machine.

[jophan]

The way I see it, if September hadn't interfered:
1) BluePeter dies. RedPeter is cured, grows up in the Redverse as the son of Walternate. Walter sees that RedPeter survived and "takes comfort" from that.
2) Walter and Bellie proceed with experiments to cross into the Redverse as part of their espionage program. An accidental reaction causes the damage to the membrane.
3) Walternate develops Amber and protocols to respond to Fringe events. He becomes SecDef. Peter joins Science Division or operates Bishop Dynamic as a defense contractor.
4) Peter and Walternate discover the Blueverse through some event (a crossover by Olivia?). They blame the other side for the damage. Peter assembles the machine (created in a prior loop) to destroy the Blueverse and save the Redverse.
Peter is attached to his homeworld, but does not have the same emotional intensity in his relationships with his parents and perhaps BOlivia.
5) Destruction of the Blueverse accelerates the damage to the Redverse instead of fixing it. At some point in the future, the temporal wormhole appears, and Walternate proposes the consciousness-porting to allow a retry.
(One of my theories is that an interim process had been used in prior cycle, to imprint Peter's memory on the machine so he will know what to do in the next loop, but either the program deteriorates or is sabotaged by Sam Weiss.)
Peter's non-existence in the next time loop is a side effect of the consciousness porting and/or of his being in the machine when he creates the branch.
6) (New timeline) BluePeter dies of illness, as he always has. RedPeter either dies or was never born.
7) The timeline is now in the condition the Observers expected.

Because the cycle as it played out with Peter raised in the Blueverse had the same result as if he had been raised in the Redverse, September's mistake is rectified. Except that a stubborn fragment of Peter is bleeding through, as a side effect of the intensity of his love for Walter and Olivia; therefore, September is assigned to destroy that remnant.

[ag86]

That's pretty good, jophan. Makes sense. I've always maintained that the underlying reason for the existence of the other universe has to do with the existential questions regarding certain choices that we make. In fact, alternate universes and time travel in all forms of fiction usually are about these things. Thus, it's appropriate that the Observers not take into account emotion, like in the episode "August" (September seems to love these people too!), and see that the heart has reasons that the mind knows not... I think your explanation explains much about the underlying natures of the universes and leaves some other questions open.

We're still left with questions:

-of "where" the Observers exist which might also be the key to understanding how Peter is "bleeding" through across time.

-of what Bell had to do with the design of the Machine as well as his comment that he's seen history repeat itself.

-of Weiss' connection to all this.

[fragaria x phile]

jophan- I just don't know if there's time for all that with the ratings being what they are. I don't agree with each of your numbers, but overall, that's what I would have expected to be the consequence.

I don't think that 'the boy is important' detracts from the theory that Peter has to to tune into the machine to reset his life, give up Walter and Olivia and his memories, and his future...so that September has a chance to remain unnoticed. It's possible that the the observer made Peter important, or that the moment was important not just because Peter would be saved, but that Walter would be witnessing the discovery of the cure, too. To witness a major medical breakthrough from another universe would be historically important.

Peter may be important, too, because he's a person. Perhaps what the observers were stressing to September was hat while the moment was important, it wasn't as important as all the connections that Peter would make. In other worlds, "September, you goon! The cure matters, but it matters most to Peter! So he can live as would have happened and make connections and affect people and sway outcomes and shape the course of the future"

Yes, this is all a stretch.