Universes and timelines
Okay so I've been rewatching The Road Not Taken, and to be honest, right now, Walter's theory seems to explain and justify the existence of different timelines more than different universes, I don't know how you feel about that, if you agree with me on this or not.
And I know that Olivia then has another, more prolonged déja vù and interacts with Scarlie and they talk about quarantine and all, but that could have been something more than just déja vù, say something related to her cortexiphan abilities maybe?
I honestly don't think that what Walter explains earlier justifies the existence of multiple universes...
That said, I caught another thing that made me believe the alternate universe or redverse is not one of many universes but a duplicate of our universe.
I strongly believe that there's an infinite number of universes (in real life), and up until now I've believed that that was the case with Fringe, only that we were focusing on just two of them for a matter of convenience.
But think about this:
In both universes there were pieces of the machine buried; pieces that were there because in 2026 Walter sent them back in time through a wormhole.
And so one might assume good, if Walter did then so did Walternate right? They think alike... If one thought of it, then so did the other one. (And that defeats Walter's theory that every different choice determines the existence of a different universe a little? You know since alternates make similar choices not opposite choices?)
Back on topic... the thing is, how could Walternate have sent the machine back in time when in 2026 his universe had already been destroyed?
There's no way he could have had the same pieces of the machine buried in the same places... Just saying...
Theories? Anyone?
Last edited by Olive_Dunham; 11-14-2011 at 08:10 PM.
What if you and I, both of us, at this very moment were being manipulated?
The most probable scenario is that Walternate never sent the machine back in time. The Machine went so far back in time when Walter sent it back that it entered theoriginal universe of which the red and blue(and if Peter is right, this new one) diverge from. So there was only one universe and one machine millions of years ago, but when one split in two, so did the other.Originally Posted by Olive_Dunham
Whichever Olivia he chooses... her universe will survive.
He still has feelings for her.
Something like this I think.
Let me expand, and if you actually take the time to read this .... hopefully it will be worth it and my ramblings will make sense
In other words ... Walter sends the machine back in time to one universe (the blue one lets say). At some point, there is a split where the red is formed off the blue, so to speak. The red will have the machine in it .... because Walter sent it back to a point before that split. Walter will have effectively sent a machine back in time, which will in turn show up in every conceivable universe that splits off that point.
What's even crazier, is that there only need to be ONE of those universes survive up to 2026 or whatever, when Walter sends it back. It will still show up in all the others, even if those others never make it to the point where Walter sends it back in time. That Machine will still be there as an "ancient artifact".
It will, in essence, be a mystery. And the only hope any other version of Walter or anyone else will have in deducing it's origin, will be a logical guess ... except in the one where Walter sends it back in time of course. Because in that timeline, Walter will actually be doing it. It is the beginning point of the "closed loop".
So let's say that in one universe, they discover this machine, Walter recognizes it looks like Bell's tech, and deduces that they most likely sent it back in time from some point in the future. But, ten days later, they all get destroyed ... the entire universe. That's totally okay. The machine will still have been real, the deduction was correct. What that version of Walter wouldn't be taking into account, is the idea that another version of himself was the responsible one for sending it back in time.
It's all about perspective ..... from the standpoint of the observer. From the Walter who is the actual one to send it back in time .... he observes a closed loop of time in which he sends an object back in time, and all these other branches of possible universes stem from that point, all the way back to the time he sends the machine.
From the perspective of ALL the other versions of Walter who discover the machine, and experience a version of that timeline, they see an almost infinite amount of possible futures taking place where another version of Walter can send the machine back, or not. In some of their futures, they never actually make it to that point ....
Thus, in their timeline, it looks like a paradox. But it's not, if you take into account the original origin of the timeloop .... it's not a paradox at all. It's a closed system. It doesn't have to have continuity in every timeline .... just one.
What screws it all up, is if you actually directly interact with another one of those universes/timelines. That is where the possibilities "decohere" and the individual options of one or the other "collapse" into themselves, creating a single outcome only. Because the nature of quantum superposition as we understand it thus far, in the multiple world interpretation .... we are unable to directly measure, or interfere, or even detect an alternate reality. The reason being, is that when a measurement or observation is taken, those possibilities collapse into a single one ... that is called decoherence, and it is why we experience only ONE timeline. One universe. Our universe. If our universe were to directly interact with another, the two would become one because of quantum decoherence. Where things go from being paradoxical, to classical. That is the gateway, so to speak.
Schroedingers Cat.
This is why the blue and the red are falling apart .... the more they interact, the more the two become one.
This is why I think the "new" universe we are experiencing now is the Comboverse, the combination of the two, the Red and the Blue as one. There is only one of them now. There are others, of course .... but they are not interacting with ours any longer. If they were, there would be more breakdown, more collapse, more "decoherence". And we don't see that taking place yet. What we DO have, is Peter and the Observers, so far. And things aren't totally making sense for the Observers these days, and Peter popped up out of nowhere.
If he is able to "go back" to his original universes, I don't think it will destroy the Comboverse we are now seeing. Because Peter is only "traveling" through them, not causing both of them to "touch" and interact. When Walter did it, he opened a portal, ******g everything up. When Olivia did it, she didn't have to open a portal. Thus, no decoherence. She was essentially doing what the Observers do I think. And this is what Peter has done in order to appear in this one, somehow ....
My three cents
On a side note ..... and I know I'm rambling now and basically just throwing theory out there ...... but on a side note, consider the idea that we might have relics in our universe, from other universes lol ..... alternate realities where they have learned to "send things back in time" to our universe. We would find these relics, and be like, "wtf ?" ... never understanding where they came from. EVER. If they came from the future, it wouldn't even be our future ... it would be some other future, in some other reality. We would have all these unexplained mysteries, never solved, only "guessed" at.
I could go all conspiracy theory here, but I'll stop
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