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    Quote Originally Posted by RETLAW View Post
    Then wouldn't he be erased when Henry was erased.

    It's funny how once the showrunners said they'd never deal with time travel because it's so messy in SciFi, but now we are deep in it.
    Reminds me of the Observers exiting the theatre after watching Back to The Future.
    Well, I was being sarcastic . But anyway, isn't he still supposed to have some "offspring" or some such with "The Right Olivia?"

    At least they are not Gallifreyans. I don't think I could have taken aliens of any kind (and I say that as a die-hard X-phile).



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    I don't know, these observers don't really have a purpose for me. I mean if they're a type of time traveling tourist, like in the movie ''Grand Tour - Disaster In Time", they need to be a bit apart from the action, then being practically in ever other drawing or photograph of a historic event. In other words, they seem to have a type of *Butterfly Effect*, just by proximity. There should be very few recorded events with them, hanging around with others, in a detailed photo-opt.


    In 'Disaster In Time', the observers were at a small motel, outside of the town where the disaster was suppose to strike. What foiled the whole thing was the fact that the motel owner had figured it out and tried to warn the townsfolk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirofloki View Post
    Well, I was being sarcastic . But anyway, isn't he still supposed to have some "offspring" or some such with "The Right Olivia?"

    At least they are not Gallifreyans. I don't think I could have taken aliens of any kind (and I say that as a die-hard X-phile).
    Oh, I know. I was being sarcastic as well.

    And pointing out the messiness of time travel/timeline Sci Fi, which the showrunners were quite aware of, said they'd stay clear of it and here we are.
    Still love the observer scene where they come out of the theater watching the alternate Back to the Future with Eric Stolz. At least the show is humorously self-aware of the messiness of time travel in the genre.
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    So, What's the End of All Things?

    Gee, I'm not sure! The End of Peter's life with Henry? The end of this version of P/O? The End of September, although I think his disappearance meant he'll survive somehow.

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    It looked like December wants to make September pay the consequences for this whole Peter thing he has perpetrated. I think he was not going to let death interfere with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RETLAW View Post
    Then wouldn't he be erased when Henry was erased.

    It's funny how once the showrunners said they'd never deal with time travel because it's so messy in SciFi, but now we are deep in it.
    Reminds me of the Observers exiting the theatre after watching Back to The Future.
    The Observers now "exist out of time." To say one exists out of time is to say that they have a certain god-like power. Their own existence would no longer be contingent upon their own past. Thus their relationship to the world as we now have seen it in FRINGE would not seem to be that important. If a union between Redverse Peter and Bluverse Olivia was meant to come to a result in humanity reaching a state from which the Observers derive; then that may not even be important to the Observers anymore. They saw it NOT occur and they realize their own existence is not contingent upon it. So Peter is unnecessary to them also. But it seems that September has an affinity to his own history and seeks to reconstruct it by not erasing Peter and by hoping to get Olivia and Peter back together. Except for Peter's own stubbornness that might happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RETLAW View Post
    Then wouldn't he be erased when Henry was erased.

    It's funny how once the showrunners said they'd never deal with time travel because it's so messy in SciFi, but now we are deep in it.
    Reminds me of the Observers exiting the theatre after watching Back to The Future.
    My notion is that they're not dealing with time travel at all. If they were dealing with time travel, then September could simply go back, stop himself from interrupting Walternate and everything would continue on as it none of this happened. However, this is not time travel, just a matter of existing in and out of time, going back and forth while they observe important parts of their past.

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    I get the gist, but whether it is time travel, existing out of time, not perceiving linear time, separate timelines, reset timelines, merged timelines, etc., for all intended SciFi purposes is just as tricky and ripe for whatever the writers want to go with.

    Observers, exiting theater after watching Back to the Future:
    "Their theories are fascinating".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RETLAW View Post
    I get the gist, but whether it is time travel, existing out of time, not perceiving linear time, separate timelines, reset timelines, merged timelines, etc., for all intended SciFi purposes is just as tricky and ripe for whatever the writers want to go with.
    Which at this point seems to be that humans will evolve into a bald Q Continuum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RETLAW View Post
    Then wouldn't he be erased when Henry was erased.
    Since the Observers are outside of time, then September could be the descendant of any number of infinite Henrys, assuming there's an infinite number of parallel universes according to the Many Worlds Quantum Theory. September himself could be the amalgamation of an infinite number of Septembers which explains why he can appear in any timeline, universe or point in time in any of those places.

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