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    Nana [Newsletter] 4.15 Have Your Say!

    Hi guys, I'm posting here to gather your thoughts and ideas about this episode for this week's newsletter. If you missed the first edition of the forum newsletter, you can find it here:
    [FF-Newsletter] First Edition

    So here are a few things that I need your input on.

    Favorite Moments: Please tell us what you liked the most about this episode. You may answer one or more of the questions below (other thoughts are welcome as well!)
    What is something that you really liked about this week's episode?
    What character really shone?
    How did a certain situation or happening make you feel?
    What was your overall impression of this episode?

    Quote of the Week: That beaver line from Walter was pretty funny, don't you think? Here, we'd like to hear what line stuck with you the most, made you burst out laughing, or that line that you just simply couldn't believe somebody actually said. Post as many quotes as you like, but please label each spoken line with the name of the character that said it. Block quotes are acceptable, too; it doesn't need to be a single line!


    Other important links to check out for Season 4, Episode 15 "A Short Story About Love"



    Be sure to get active in as many of the above links as possible! I will try to incorporate and consolidate as much into this newsletter as possible!

    So what are you waiting for!? Click those links! Add a post or reply! And tell me what you think about anything of the above HERE, in this thread!! Thanks!!


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    As promised, I have arrived.

    *Steps out of Beacon 's light*

    I haven't really posted any opinions on 4.15 yet, so I suppose I will lay out some things here for potential use in the newsletter.

    *Ahem*

    What OJ enjoyed:

    -The Peter-centric storyline was probably the best part of the episode. From witnessing September's retrieval at the lab by his colleagues, to Peter trekking to September's safehouse, to finding the Beacon; there weren't many words in these scenes, but it made following the journey more engaging. The scene at the house was neat as well; the effects of the Beacon and September's return had a certain Fringe-iness to it. And there came the best line of the episode.

    "They hid the universe from me."

    Epic line.

    -The Beacon reveal was satisfactory. Obviously, the name gave away quite a bit, so that the device is a marker for inter-world travel (or space-time buoy, as I like to call it) is fitting. I suspect we will get more on the Beacon later on, because we still need to know why they are necessary in the first place, and what is it about them that would compel someone like John Mosley to seek one out.

    -Nina/Olivia also had some strong scenes (particularly their last conversation), as did Peter and Walter at the lab, with the latter at last admitting Peter was the better man.

    -It was interesting to watch knowing showrunner Joel Wyman directed (and wrote) this episode. And the direction itself was pretty good, as was the acting, which I assume Wyman's presence also benefited from (seeing as he would naturally know the characters more than the actors would).


    What OJ enjoyed less:

    -A lot of the messages/subtext were more overt and heavy-handed than they needed to be, especially when they pertained to love (or should I say Love). It has been Fringe's tradition in these past years to have the events of an episode reflect the state of the characters at that point in time, but this episode in particular seemed more forced than usual in its delivery, to the detriment of the installment.

    -As much as the central antagonist was interesting to watch, I find that context as to his circumstances and motivations were bit lacking, or could have been explored in slightly further depth. I realize that you don't always need to have things laid out explicitly, and I enjoy piecing things together on my own, but I would have liked a couple more pieces, so to speak.

    -The ongoing plot didn't seem to progress much, as I (and apparently, the majority of viewers) had already suspected many things that were laid out, particularly in regards to Peter's situation. I suppose it was necessary for the characters to catch up to what we know, so it is understandable, but such a point cannot go unaddressed.

    -September's explanation wasn't very satisfactory as it applied to the reasoning for Peter's persistence of erasure. They've already set up the precedent to emotional QE in past seasons, so it came as no surprise, but the wording itself was kind of flat.

    "I believe you call it...Lurve."

    Well, ain't I an Observer's uncle.

    -I'm also not too enthused on Love being The Answer***. As the series has progressed, the shift of balance towards emphasis on the P/O relationship has had me concerned, as naturally, this would hinder all the other aspects, like the science and the mythos. With such a grand-sweeping saga, that the concept of love would be addressed is to be expected, but surely, it need not be the driving force; because with September seemingly placing P/O as having existential significance (as it was with Sam Weiss' "Which Olivia He Chooses" explanation in S3), it seems the relationship angle is overshadowing other aspects.

    And then there's the matter that it seems every damn story, regardless of medium, ends up with Love as The Answer. What's up with that? O.o


    What OJ is trying to say:

    As a whole, this episode was a weird one, and it left me rather ambivalent. In the end, there were more cons than pros to this one, making my final rating 6.5 Bishop Potato Chips out of 10.

    I suppose this is due to this episode acting as a transitional piece, however, as it set everyone up for the remainder of the season. With any luck, the next seven episodes will provide more engaging fare.


    ***By this, I mean in the way Love is usually invoked, as some kind of ultimate transcendent force more powerful than any other force, as well as being championed as the height of human experience
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    6.5 Bishop Potato Chips out of 10.

    LMFAO!!!!
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    Great to see your summarized thoughts here, OJ!! Thanks for taking the time to do that!! I had almost forgotten about that line! It is a great one!

    Now, c'mon guys!! I know you want to follow in the omniscient footsteps of the OJ, so why don't you do the same! Tell me briefly what you liked or disliked about this episode! Give me your favorite quote or maybe even the most poignant imagery that struck you as cool. I want to know what you thought! I may steal some ideas from other threads if you don't!! Muahahaha!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekka View Post
    Great to see your summarized thoughts here, OJ!! Thanks for taking the time to do that!! I had almost forgotten about that line! It is a great one!

    Now, c'mon guys!! I know you want to follow in the omniscient footsteps of the OJ, so why don't you do the same! Tell me briefly what you liked or disliked about this episode! Give me your favorite quote or maybe even the most poignant imagery that struck you as cool. I want to know what you thought! I may steal some ideas from other threads if you don't!! Muahahaha!
    It was my omniscient pleasure.

    Also, it occurs to me that I have surpassed 6000 posts.

    *chucks handfuls of glitter merrily around forum in celebration*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekka View Post
    Great to see your summarized thoughts here, OJ!! Thanks for taking the time to do that!! I had almost forgotten about that line! It is a great one!

    Now, c'mon guys!! I know you want to follow in the omniscient footsteps of the OJ, so why don't you do the same! Tell me briefly what you liked or disliked about this episode! Give me your favorite quote or maybe even the most poignant imagery that struck you as cool. I want to know what you thought! I may steal some ideas from other threads if you don't!! Muahahaha!
    Well. . . only because you asked. . . This episode made me physically ill, I've had acute food poisoning that was gentler on my system. I like many others, wept uncontrollably at the end of this episode, though not because I was moved, but rather due to the hopeless sense of loss and disappointment regarding the direction this show has continued to take this season.

    I don't understand the obsessive focus on the relationship between Peter and Olivia under which the writers seem to labor. I am now convinced that J.H. Wyman is the biggest P/O 'shipper in the history of P/O 'shipperdom. Even the much hyped Big Bad portrayed by Michael Massee was little more than a love obsessed overly sentimental type with a poorly calibrated moral compass.

    Like Anson Carr rationalized his homicidal methods with his intent to make love a universally accessible commodity I somehow imagine Wyman rationalizes hijacking the Fringe storyline to 'ship P/O in the name of LOVE .

    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    Well, ain't I an Observer's uncle.

    -I'm also not too enthused on Love being The Answer***. As the series has progressed, the shift of balance towards emphasis on the P/O relationship has had me concerned, as naturally, this would hinder all the other aspects, like the science and the mythos. With such a grand-sweeping saga, that the concept of love would be addressed is to be expected, but surely, it need not be the driving force; because with September seemingly placing P/O as having existential significance (as it was with Sam Weiss' "Which Olivia He Chooses" explanation in S3), it seems the relationship angle is overshadowing other aspects.

    And then there's the matter that it seems every damn story, regardless of medium, ends up with Love as The Answer. What's up with that? O.o








    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    "I believe you call it...Lurve."



    So that's the way I feel, and in my opinion the story has suffered for the focus on love at the expense of all other aspects of the show. I still enjoy Fringe, but episodes like these, especially after all the hype, are hard to accept as a fan who waited so patiently through a month long hiatus for the show he fell in love with through the first two seasons which now seems little more than a shadow of its former glory.

    There was at least one really funny Walterism in this episode: "Beaver Hunting". I thought that was hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    -The Beacon reveal was satisfactory. Obviously, the name gave away quite a bit, so that the device is a marker for inter-world travel (or space-time buoy, as I like to call it) is fitting. I suspect we will get more on the Beacon later on, because we still need to know why they are necessary in the first place, and what is it about them that would compel someone like John Mosley to seek one out.
    I'm not sure how I feel about the Beacon being a signal flare for September yet. But from what I recall of "The Arrival", Walter in that episode alludes to an unspoken pact between himself and September that mandates his custodianship of the Beacon.

    Walter: He pulled us to the shore. I remembered that he was bald, that he had no eyebrows. And as he set us down in the snow, I recalled his stare, standing there in his suit soaking wet, seemingly indifferent to the cold. It was as if he knew my thoughts before I did. As if he were inside my head. Without speaking, he made it clear that he would need me one day. A return favor, so to speak. And this is it. Today, what happened with the capsule, I'm not sure how I know about the vibrations, the composition. But then when I tested it myself, heard the vibrations, felt them, it was as if an envelope had been opened and I could finally read my instructions. Instantly, I knew that I had to protect the capsule for him. Who they are, what they want - as a man of science, I share your frustration in not having these answers. But what I know is that you are sitting here now... my son... alive. I know you must think me insane.
    Quotes like these seem to reflect a consistency between this episode and events from Season One.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    As a whole, this episode was a weird one, and it left me rather ambivalent. In the end, there were more cons than pros to this one, making my final rating 6.5 Bishop Potato Chips out of 10.
    Alas, I can give this episode no better than 5 Bishop Potato Chips out of 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    It was my omniscient pleasure.

    Also, it occurs to me that I have surpassed 6000 posts.

    *chucks handfuls of glitter merrily around forum in celebration*




    I feel I may have killed this thread now. . . can you hear the crickets chirping? This place is a ghost town.

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    Well dear, I was really hopingn to learn what you LIKED from the episode, but dislikes are okay, too. heehee


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    Honestly, I found it ironic but still quite fitting that the unemotional scientist/Observer is the one who was the one that came to understand and explain to Peter for which I think Peter was hoping. Peter has been fighting his feelings, his heart, these last few episodes and he was taking that fight to flight by removing himself from Olivia's presence in this episode. Peter was trying to be that 'better man than his father.' And Walter in his most logical mode approved of what Peter was doing by removing himself from the temptation of Olivia.

    But in fact look what Walter did in respect to his own wife and love. Walter withdrew to the cold logic of his lab and did not give Elizabeth the attention she needed. Walter, in effect, fled from his love; much as what Peter was doing by going to New York - fleeing the presence of Olivia. Walter was wrong. Peter was not being the better man in that decision; the better man would follow his heart.
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