Reply With QuoteI am not sure, but I do believe it's significant as Joanne Ostler and Leland Spivey both supposedly died in car accidents before working with Jones/ZFT/The Pattern
Conrad's Car Accident
Is it possible that John Scott succeeded in killing Conrad in his car as he drove past him in this timeline? Could this be the cause for his car accident five years ago? It's entirely possible that the car accident was a cover story created by the NSA to hide the fact that Conrad had been assasinated.
I am not sure, but I do believe it's significant as Joanne Ostler and Leland Spivey both supposedly died in car accidents before working with Jones/ZFT/The Pattern
So much happened here. And so much is about to.
Weird, do we know how Bell died in this timeline?
I mean maybe none of these people are dead, maybe they all faked their deaths to be a part of the clandestine ZFT organization. Although, if that were the case, it wouldn't make sense for Bell to be a part of this if DRJ represents their interests, you considering they supposedly clashed resulting in DRJ's release from MD.
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The cause has yet to be explicitly confirmed, but I would place my bets on him having been taken out by Jones.Originally Posted by PB
In episode 4.05, we learn that Bell once worked on cellular regeneration research, but had abruptly shut down the program; when Doctor Malcolm Truss (the scientist from 4.05) inquired on the reason, Bell apparently said "there are lines we aren't meant to cross".
Truss evidently expressed surprise that someone had apparently taken up Bell's research again. Seven*** (the Neoshifter assuming the identity of Nadine Park), explained that her employer was very interested in Malcolm's work. Since we know that this employer is in fact Jones, then we can surmise that he stole Bell's research.
This in and of itself is not indicative that Jones killed Bell, but coupled with the past Bell/Jones fallout in MD's early days, and apparent lingering animosity on DRJ's part towards Bell, then it is easy to imagine that without Peter there to stop him, Jones managed to crossover, kill Bell, use Red World tech to heal his decaying condition, steal Bell's cellular regeneration research, and begin enacting his master plan (which involves Amphilicite, Neoshifters, and Genetically Engineered Creations).
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On the subject of Jones, I read a theory somewhere on the web; I take absolutely no credit for this, but I thought I'd share it anyway:
Jones' plan is to merge both worlds into one; but like in episode 4.12, Jones intends to remain in the "eye of the storm" of the dual-world merging, the only coordinates that will escape mutual annihilation. Of course, most - if not all - living beings will have been annihilated, hence why he has been genetically engineering new thresholds for the human species, the next step in our evolution, who will then spread out and inhabit this new world. It was also noted that DRJ's motives may in fact be objectively beneficial, as this world-merging plan is the only way to stave off some impending cataclysm. Of course, it could just as easily be that his altruism is subjective and delusional, but still, I think this idea is probably the best bet for what's actually going on (so kudos to you, internet Fringe fan whose username eludes me).
***In a promotional still for 4.05, I saw a caption or subheading that pinned Neoshifter "Nadine Park" by the name of "Seven". This appears to be her official Neoshifter designation; since Jones made 47 of them, we can assume they all have numerical designations of the sort.
These are all great questions which may tend to explain why we're seeing an event happening now that both Olivia and Peter recall as happening several years ago - only in a slightly different way. (i.e. the plane didn't crash) Unless we haven't been paying attention and this storyline is actually taking place back in time several years..somehow.
Now that's an interesting possibility-- that when Peter came back from the future and created the bridge, he actually returned to a slightly earlier time circa Season 1. In fact, that might make some sense, if the Red Universe was already so far gone at that point (in Season 3) that the only way to keep both universes stable was to return to an earlier time-- and get erased in the process. But I guess that theory may have holes in it, such as the fact that everyone was in the room under the Statue of Liberty when he returned, which was where he'd left them before he visited the future. On the other hand, have we seen any dates in Season 4? I mean, there *was* that calendar on the wall in September's hidey-hole, which IIRC said "January 2010." Have there been any other episodes/scenes in which the current date was shown/mentioned?
According to press releases for the S4 premiere, a week has passed since the Bridge was formed, so the S4 narrative must forcibly follow a post-S3 timeframe. I forget if there have been other mentions within the show; they're all probably hiding out in the first act of the season, whose episodes I have yet to rewatch. Still, I would think that official press releases can serve as valid evidence for determining the timeframe of events.
As for September's apartment, I chalk up the out-of-date calendar to him not having visited his apartment for some time. Since the Observers travel in time non-linearly, I would think that these "safe houses" are merely rest stops they can go to whenever they are in a specific time period; I suspect that each Observer has many safe houses in many historical periods.
Plus, I would imagine Peter's seen plenty of newspapers or TV news since rematerializing, and we didn't see him do any double-takes-- "Holy cow, it's 2009?!?"
That was my initial impression when watching the episode. And after I wrote my previous post I started wondering if January 2010 was a reference to when "The Transformation" was first aired-- except that was in February 2009, not January 2010. Which raises the question, did anything happen in a January 2010 episode that might be especially pertinent to up-coming episodes?As for September's apartment, I chalk up the out-of-date calendar to him not having visited his apartment for some time.
Edit: I see that "The Bishop Revival" was aired in January 2010. Was that one of the episodes we were advised to watch again?
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I suppose there's that as well.
I think so. It might have been suggested to prime us up for Markham's appearance; as I recall, episodes 1.14, 2.13, and 3.06 were grouped together in the recommended episodes, and they comprise all the episodes where Markham appears (in addition to recently-aired 4.16, I suppose).
I had hoped that the recommendation of 2.13 meant that we might also be getting more on Bischoff and Hoffman, and WWII/Germany in general (an apparently significant point in Fringeverse history); hopefully, we'll get something on that before series end.
why is this timeline so different?
i watched the transformation today, and i know on this episode they used the same footage mostly with some quick edits and added scenes
for example martial bowman was writing something totally different on the airplane when his nose started bleeding
this flight took place 3 years ago in the o.t. and conrad moreau created the virus and dosed these guys unknowingly
in this timeline conrad died 5 yrs ago and the flight happened 3 years later...martial, hicks, the teethy girl, etc are part of a bebirth cult and takes the stuff on purpose to become porcupine gargoyles
the cure 3 yrs ago was some complex antidote that walter couldn't synthsize, this time its penicillin and wheatgrass
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the was just something not right about the episode
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