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    Default So was Lincoln infected and then Walter healed him, or did he get better by himself?

    Well, just as the title states, I was just wondering that when Lincoln got injured by the Porcu-bat and Walter kept him for further study, was Lincoln actually infected? Or did the results turn out negative and Walter merely stitched up his wound and held him for further study?

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    He was infected, but it was quickly determined that Lincoln would not actually transform unless he ingested/absorbed large amounts of lipids, since the energy stored in lipids is necessary for the transformation process.

    Seeing this, Walter then developed a remedy aiming to counteract the virus' effects, which he gave to Lincoln (something that, among other things, contained wheatgrass, penicillin, traces of laxatives, and some mint for flavouring).

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    Ah, yep that was it, thanks Omniscient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omniscient_Jay View Post
    He was infected, but it was quickly determined that Lincoln would not actually transform unless he ingested/absorbed large amounts of lipids, since the energy stored in lipids is necessary for the transformation process.

    Seeing this, Walter then developed a remedy aiming to counteract the virus' effects, which he gave to Lincoln (something that, among other things, contained wheatgrass, penicillin, traces of laxatives, and some mint for flavouring).
    Okay, so I know this has already begun being discussed on a different thread but I cannot for the life of me recall which one, and it's just as relevant to this thread.

    We know Walter was completely unable to create the cure on his own for this designer virus in the Prior Timeline's "The Transformation" which left it up to Peter and Olivia to bust Moreau and obtain the cure.

    WALTER: They took that gentleman that was here to the hospital, to recover.
    OLIVIA: So the antidote worked?
    WALTER: He started improving almost as soon as I administered it. Which is more than I can say for my own concoction. Any case, I was just about to read a bedtime sto...

    But in this timeline, as you mention, he's able to fabricate a quick cure from wheat grass, laxatives, mint, and an antibiotic which has nothing to do with anti-viral in the first place!

    So here's my thing, with all the callbacks in this episode, how hard would it have been to write a scene with a glass disk being carved out of one of these things palms that coincidentally contained the cure. To me, that would have allowed them to reintroduce the glass disks in a context that makes sense (the Were-cupine in the "The Transformation" had one) and it also would have been a great opportunity for some Walter-esque digital or analogue data gather forensics (figuring out how to read the glass disks) and finally would have provided a rational source for the cure.

    Walter curing this thing with anti-biotics and wheat grass makes no sense at all when he was able to make no headway the first time around.

    There's so much about this episode that annoys me in the mythos and sci-fi department but I think Walter's very magical designer virus cure made from stuff he could have easily gathered at a health food store is the worst (Reminds me of "What Lies Below" when Walter MacGuyver's a cure for the mysterious virus from some horseradish in the breakroom fridge and some other stuff in and around the office . But even for that scene some rationale was provided, I believe it was sulfur content of horseradish).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PB View Post
    Okay, so I know this has already begun being discussed on a different thread but I cannot for the life of me recall which one, and it's just as relevant to this thread.

    We know Walter was completely unable to create the cure on his own for this designer virus in the Prior Timeline's "The Transformation" which left it up to Peter and Olivia to bust Moreau and obtain the cure.

    But in this timeline, as you mention, he's able to fabricate a quick cure from wheat grass, laxatives, mint, and an antibiotic which has nothing to do with anti-viral in the first place!

    So here's my thing, with all the callbacks in this episode, how hard would it have been to write a scene with a glass disk being carved out of one of these things palms that coincidentally contained the cure. To me, that would have allowed them to reintroduce the glass disks in a context that makes sense (the Were-cupine in the "The Transformation" had one) and it also would have been a great opportunity for some Walter-esque digital or analogue data gather forensics (figuring out how to read the glass disks) and finally would have provided a rational source for the cure.

    Walter curing this thing with anti-biotics and wheat grass makes no sense at all when he was able to make no headway the first time around.

    There's so much about this episode that annoys me in the mythos and sci-fi department but I think Walter's very magical designer virus cure made from stuff he could have easily gathered at a health food store is the worst (Reminds me of "What Lies Below" when Walter MacGuyver's a cure for the mysterious virus from some horseradish in the breakroom fridge and some other stuff in and around the office . But even for that scene some rationale was provided, I believe it was sulfur content of horseradish).
    I agree that the opportunity to revisit Glass Disks was indeed missed, and the scenario you provide (finding the cure in the intel) would have been a more suitable alternative.

    Perhaps even a throwaway mention would have been nice. And one for John Scott/NSA, for that matter. Scott had a large role in things, and it's a shame he has never actually been mentioned by name since 1.13 (IIRC), and all we get is a vague mention in 4.01.

    Well, you can't have it all.

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