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Omniscient_Jay
He was only surprised because she told him the same things Peter did in episode 4.09 (i.e. "I watched you die"). It was an unexpected "side effect" of Cortexiphan dosage, but he paid no mind to it, and went ahead as planned.
Even Jones said that whatever Olivia thought she was capable of, her potential was far greater than she could imagine, so even Jones had an idea of the extent of her power.
He's not the only reason; in fact, Jones is nothing more than an indirect, de facto contributor to Etta's existence, even if a P/O child's existence is what he was hoping for.
Jones did not predict that Olivia would regain memories of a prior timeline. In fact, he still doesn't know about this. And Olivia only united with Peter because she remembered her relationship with him. They would not have united (and thus not have a child) were it not for a combination of Peter, Olivia, September (who set up a lot of things), and lastly, Jones.
Jones was the unwitting catalyst for Olivia's rememberance, which in turn brought Peter and Olivia together (just as September wanted), and they had a child at some point. Are you saying Jones intended, or hoped, for all of this to happen? If so, then would his plans not have been different? If all he wanted was a child born of Olivia, could he not simply have kidnapped her, forcibly impregnated her (using Peter's seed, or perhaps any man's seed), accelerate the pregnancy, then raise the child as his own and train him/her to fight the Observers?
This would seem far more efficient than relying on the hope that Peter and Olivia would have a child before the Invasion began. For all he knew, they could have had a child in 2016, or 2018, or any time later.
On another note, in the context of this scenario (Jones knowing of the Invasion), what's all the other stuff he's been doing for? Where do the Neoshifters and Werecupines and Amphilicite fit into a Jones VS Observers scenario?
It was never established - at least, not as of the most recent episode - that Jones has anything to do with the Observers.
I think what you're trying to say is that the writers are intending to throw a massive twist where they reveal that "OMG, Jones was working against the Observers the entire time!!!". Is this correct?
Then I can't say that I agree or disagree. We can't just say "element X is absolutely true because it's possible that it's a twist being held back until the last minute." That isn't evidence for or against a position. And also, we cannot confirm or deny that "evil Observers" was planned all along unless the writers tell us what they had planned themselves.
And yet, there was that bit in episode 2.03 that alluded that the Observers may have more nefarious intentions. Where's the past evidence that supports a Jones/Observer conflict?
Of course it would be relevant; he tried to stop the Observers, but failed.
It's important to note that Jones was defeated somewhere in 2012, but the Observers only began the Invasion three years later in 2015.
I will ask you again:
How did Jones know or predict that the Observers would invade in 2015?
Considering the complexity of Jones' plans - Cortexikids, Neoshifters, the Machine, Amphilicite, genetic mutants, moles in important positions (Alt-Nina, Alt-Broyles) - he must have been working towards whatever goal he is currently pursuing many years before we were introduced to him (again) in episode 4.08. If all of these things were comitted in the name of fighting off an Observer Invasion, then it means Jones had to know about this Invasion long before he even crossed over at Reiden Lake.
So how did Jones learn, know, predict - or who informed him - of the 2015 Observer Invasion several years beforehand?
But September can only show what he has experienced, because that whole thing happened within September's mind. September could not physically bring Peter anywhere, because they were both lying unconscious in the Lab. If September, for example, never observed the formation of our Sun, then how can he show it to Peter inside his mind? It wouldn't be a memory, then; it would be what he thinks it would look like.
So Jones learned of the Invasion from September? When did this happen? Why would September inform Jones, of all people? What does it mean that September informed both Jones and the Fringe team about certain things that were to come? And wouldn't it better benefit September if he engineered events so that the Fringe team and Jones team up to give them a better chance at preventing the Invasion instead of fighting one another?
There are a lot of questions that are raised with this Jones/Observer idea.
And as a final point, for reason I have outlined above, I reject the validity of "the writers have been holding back this twist" as evidence supporting a Jones/Observer conflict.
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