Fringe 4.20 Worlds Apart Promo Photos

[D-Roc]

Fringe 4.20 Worlds Apart Promo Photos:

[Jane42]

Thanks for the photos. I like Peter and Lincoln shaking hands. I want them to be friends, despite that they now are interested in Olivia. Which version now, I'm not sure, anymore.

[krick]

Some of the images above (3,4,6) have embedded captions. Also, the some of the images have captions for the ones on here that don't. Text marked in red by me.

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FRINGE: Alt. Lincoln (Seth Gable, L), Bolivia (Anna Torv, second from L), Alt. Astrid (Jasika Nicole, second from R) and Walternate (John Noble, R) line up in the corridor in the "World's Apart" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

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FRINGE: Lincoln (Seth Gabel, L) and Peter (Josh Jackson, R) share a moment in the "World's Apart" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. ©2012 Fox Broadcasting Co. CR: Liane Hentscher/FOX

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FRINGE: Peter (Josh Jackson) makes adjustments to his machine in the "World's Apart" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. ©2012 Fox Broadcasting Co. CR: Liane Hentscher/FOX

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FRINGE: Walter (John Noble, C) stares at his creation in the "World's Apart" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

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FRINGE: Peter (Josh Jackson, R) escorts Walter (John Noble, L) away from a mysterious machine in the "World's Apart" episode of FRINGE airing Friday, April 27 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. ©2012 Fox Broadcasting Co. CR: Liane Hentscher/FOX

[Omniscient_Jay]

^^^

A long-running theory that has been bought up numerous times is that Walter and/or Peter have had some hand in the creation of the Machine. Could these captions serve as conclusive confirmation that this is indeed the case?

[jade86]

^^^

A long-running theory that has been bought up numerous times is that Walter and/or Peter have had some hand in the creation of the Machine. Could these captions serve as conclusive confirmation that this is indeed the case?

I was thinking about the ancient paper with peter and the machine from "over there: part 1", and I wonder if an original timeline existed before a theorical "first loop". A timeline where peter had the first idea about the machine (maybe a very ancient version) and after the "first loop" walter and bell, many many many years later, discovered the device and designed a more modern version.

[B2W]

It's strange that in the caption for the second image it says alt. Lincoln but they got it right with the third image.

[Omniscient_Jay]

I was thinking about the ancient paper with peter and the machine from "over there: part 1", and I wonder if an original timeline existed before a theorical "first loop". A timeline where peter had the first idea about the machine (maybe a very ancient version) and after the "first loop" walter and bell, many many many years later, discovered the device and designed a more modern version.

I would go so far as to say the Machine was first built in the version of history that existed before September ever made that original interference.

In this timeline, Red Peter would have grown up in his native Red World. Furthermore, if the Observers were trying to correct that original mistake by steering things back tot he way they were before (or unfold along similar lines), then it means Peter's "importance" must be tied to the Machine and the creation of the Bridge. Thus, the Machine must have existed, or have first been built, in this original timeline.

As S4 implies, the Machine is not inherently connected or dependent upon Peter. It's simply that before, the Machine was outfitted with a biomechanical interface that was specifically tuned to Peter's DNA, making him the only one who could activate it and operate; take that interface away, and the Machine can be turned on by anyone. It is how the Machine was activated in this rewritten timeline without Peter, and why Peter started building a biomechanical interface in episode 4.10 (and according to the promo for 4.20, use this interface to power the Machine directly).

And since the First People mythology is dependent not only on time loops, but on Peter's connection to the Machine, the FP material doesn't exist in this timeline (as they have yet to be shown). Presumably, they did not exist in the original timeline as well; in both the original timeline and the S4 rewritten timeline, the Machine was built in the "present" (between the 1970's-2010's) by Walternate and/or Walter, and was never sent back in time in an indefinite loop.

Alternatively, the Machine could have been constructed in the original timeline, but was carried over into successive timeline configurations, like the time loop(s) and the rewritten timeline.

With an apparent Walter/Walternate focus and the Machine being showcased, this episode is the best time to answer all the remaining questions about the Machine as it exists in the S4 timeline.

[tricked]

I would go so far as to say the Machine was first built in the version of history that existed before September ever made that original interference.

In this timeline, Red Peter would have grown up in his native Red World. Furthermore, if the Observers were trying to correct that original mistake by steering things back tot he way they were before (or unfold along similar lines), then it means Peter's "importance" must be tied to the Machine and the creation of the Bridge. Thus, the Machine must have existed, or have first been built, in this original timeline.

As S4 implies, the Machine is not inherently connected or dependent upon Peter. It's simply that before, the Machine was outfitted with a biomechanical interface that was specifically tuned to Peter's DNA, making him the only one who could activate it and operate; take that interface away, and the Machine can be turned on by anyone. It is how the Machine was activated in this rewritten timeline without Peter, and why Peter started building a biomechanical interface in episode 4.10 (and according to the promo for 4.20, use this interface to power the Machine directly).

And since the First People mythology is dependent not only on time loops, but on Peter's connection to the Machine, the FP material doesn't exist in this timeline (as they have yet to be shown). Presumably, they did not exist in the original timeline as well; in both the original timeline and the S4 rewritten timeline, the Machine was built in the "present" (between the 1970's-2010's) by Walternate and/or Walter, and was never sent back in time in an indefinite loop.

Alternatively, the Machine could have been constructed in the original timeline, but was carried over into successive timeline configurations, like the time loop(s) and the rewritten timeline.

With an apparent Walter/Walternate focus and the Machine being showcased, this episode is the best time to answer all the remaining questions about the Machine as it exists in the S4 timeline.

I just had a ridiculously insane thought, but I think I might be onto something. So bare with me for a moment:

* I've assumed essentially what I think you have assumed as well: that in a "pre-mistake" timeline, the Machine is both invented, created, and built for the first time. The "original" so to speak. If not a "pre-mistake" timeline, then a timeline that basically "gets it right" somehow. The varying timelines we've seen thus far are the byproduct of that original ... puzzle pieces strewn throughout time, and universes, and timelines within and without those universes. Add all those puzzle pieces together form a sort of logic puzzle, and you begin to shape the picture of the "pre-mistake" timeline, or perhaps the "Alpha" timeline, or whatever you might want to call it. For example (and I know I'm saying a few things that are known):
* We had the FP mythos, along with the machine being strewn throughout history, and the genetic link to only Peter, in the S1-S3 arc. I argue they "inherited" it ... and it was their hand that used what they inherited to keep the S1-S3 loop going. In this timeline, it's unknown how they have their Machines ... however, Peter wasn't linked to the Machine in this timeline. We have seen *how* Walter began the process to genetically link him. So we have at least one answer there, imo, for the S1-S3 timeline --- why the Machine was linked to Peter genetically and only him. Because in this timeline, they figured out how to do this. So the timeline "under" this one, has that as a factor: Peter is linked to the Machine. And we've seen now how they accomplish this. But it still leaves the question of "who invented it in the first place ?" open.

So if we find out that Walter, or Walternate, did in fact invent, design, and construct the Machine in this timeline ... then that question will be answered as to the overall origin of the actual, physical Machine. The door may be left open as to the inspiration for the technology, but that's another can of worms. However I still remember that Nina said the Machine was Bell's design, in the previous timelines. So with that in mind, the following crazy thought has Bell in mind:

Bell is actually the originator of the Machine. In the same way he worked with the Redverse, designing some of their tech and such in order to play both sides to his advantage, he also does the same thing ... except he does it with the OBSERVERS. So along with their help, in some future, Bell and the Observers design the Machine. Perhaps he's one of the few people who has seen the 2609 future and, in order to "prevent the coming war" ... same as he was doing in the Red-Blue scenario ... so to now, in the rewritten scenario, is he attempting to play both sides to do the same damn thing. Now, in the 2036 future, we see Bell again. And we see Walter's need to build a device to stop the Observers and get rid of them. The device we see them looking at with his hologram-thing isn't the same as the Wave Sync Device Machine .... however, it could be similar or linked in some fashion. Although it's implied it's more closely a relative of the Beacon. But regardless .... what if Bell designs the Machine in that future at some point, but in doing so ... he uses someone other than Peter to design it: he uses Olivia. And this is actually what Walter is referencing on the train in the final scene of 4.19: what Bell did to Olivia in order to create the Machine. They need Bell's hand in order to access the room where the Machine is, or perhaps they need his hand in order to interface with it on some level to activate it. But, whatever Bell did ... he created the Machine by using Olivia's genetic makeup: since she is a bonified Cortexikid. A resource. Jones echoes this as well: "Whatever you think you know of your abilities, Ms. Dunham ... I assure you, your potential is far greater."

So in the lower timelines, we see Peter being the pivot point for the Machine on a genetic level. But perhaps in it's upper timeline, the "source" ... we see the potential in a Cortexikid (Olivia) converted over to a Machine that Bell designs (perhaps in league with the Observers) in order to meet his own ends and use: the Machine. Because if you can convert the ability of a human who can do what we've seen Olivia do (safely hop between universes, etc and so forth) ... into a machine and use it yourself to where you don't need her ability .... bam. You've got a "rare commodity" on your hands. And so perhaps the Machine is actually made FROM Olivia .... some how her "essence" is put into it. It's a huge, farking soul magnet. And it's this that Walter and Astrid are talking about regarding Bell .... Bell's choice to exploit Olivia, perhaps even killing her in the process, to design the Machine. The FP mythos links Olivia and Peter to the Machine as well ... combined, they are able to perform it's task in the S1-S3 timeline. This is also a crazy way to express "love and fate" (sorry) in the S1-S3 timelines: Peter and Olivia are "soulmates" via the Machine :-), because they are both genetically linked to the Machine on different levels throughout times and timelines.

I actually really like this idea for the moment ... thoughts ? ^_^

[tricked]

Just to add to my brainstorm:


* We see Walter echoing his displeasure with Bell again in 2036 … same as he did in the Red-Blueverse. Bell removed parts of Walter's brain, and Walter held it against him. He also viewed Bell as being integral to the "enemy" … but finally, upon viewing Bell's sacrifice, he realized he judged Bell incorrectly, and that he should view him in a better light. After Bell possessed Olivia lol … Walter and company had issue with it, but they tried to find a way to help both of them: save Olivia by freeing her from Bell …. whilst putting Bell into … what was it ? A MACHINE. A computer.


To quote from the episode where they attempt to move Bell from Olivia's consciousness to a machine:


"And to remove William's. Whole Brain Emulation. It's another one of Belly's old projects. It describes how an inorganic host can house organic material. We're gonna put Belly in the computer. Much to do and not much time."


Now, in 4.19 …. where do we see them ambered ? In that dungeon like room or building, surrounded by old retro typewriters and computers and such. Perhaps Bell was in one of those machines ? In the original timeline, Bell tells Olivia "tell Walter the dog won't hunt" or something … hinting that he knew it wouldn't work, the transfer of his conscisouness to the machine. But perhaps in THIS timeline …. it DID work ... and maybe he even knew about this.

In the previous timeline, Walter ended up viewing Bell as having made more "noble" sacrifices and such. But perhaps in this one, he doesn't end up viewing him that way at all ... hence, why he cuts his hand off without a flinch.


And what episode did they attempt to do this in ? LSD … episode 3.19 ^_^. The 19th episode of last season lol.


I wonder how many parallels and foreshadowing is there ? We learn of Man-X who is going to kill her … we even have Olivia refer to her state as a "really strange dream" and because of that dream, she's not afraid to move forward anymore (echoing perhaps the last few episode glyph-codes of FUTURE DREAM SIMON etc). We even see Broyles looking at Walter's red twizler candy … he did it in 3.19, and again in 4.19.





So perhaps everything is all "switched around" …. Bell in a machine, using Olivia instead of Peter in this future or amberverse, etc and so forth …. and the 19th episodes are meant to build upon pointing to this very mythos.

[Omniscient_Jay]

^^^Tricked:

At the very least, we can infer that in the Loop construct, Bell was the one who introduced Walternate to both the Machine and the FP mythos. This would tie into Nina's comment ("Bell's designs"), Bell's search for FP lore (which included the hunt for FP books), and the Bell/Weiss(/Nina) relationship.

Bell may have well had a had in the creation of the Machine in the original timeline (along with Walter/Peter). We can assume that the biomechanical interface was installed in this iteration as well.

As for your points:

-When you say Bell teamed up with the Observers, do you mean in the original timeline, or in this rewritten timeline? Why would the Observers team up with Bell? How did Bell come to see the 2609 Dying Earth possible future and/or knowledge of the Observerkind plan for the ~2015 Invasion?

-If Bell designs the Machine, and Olivia is the activator/operator, then would she not have been the one to create the Bridge? If she is the only one capable of activating it, how did Walternate turn on his version?

-This idea seems to imply that the rewritten timeline has an effect or influence on the prior Loop construct in "real time", and vice-versa, which in turn implies that there was no rewrite, but an overwrite. And yet, September has explained that we are dealing with a permutation of the same physical space; or rather, that the Loop was physically reconfigured into it's current rewritten form. Would your idea not be dependent on an overwrite scenario, and not the rewrite that is currently in play? The Palimpsest idea is reminiscent of an overwrite, but since the rewrite is a causal consequence of events that occurred in the Loop, it is not that the prior timeline physically exists "under" the current timeline, but that traces of it remain (no doubt thanks to Peter).

-The Anti-Observer device, if we are to take the comparison to Beacons that was mentioned in 4.19, may be a large-scale version of the device or technology that "hid the universe" from September; which is to say, it is intended to mask the location of these particular Blue/Red Worlds from the Observers so that they can never find their way back again.

My main quibble with your scenario is that it relies on a real-time reciprocal influence on the "new" and "old" timeline, which implies that they are separate entities, when they are in fact permutations of the same physical object. In other words, if an apple turns into an orange, that apple no longer exists concurrently with the orange. How can you reconcile your ideas with the canonicity of the rewrite over an overwrite (as per my fruit analogy)?

Counter-thoughts?