Reply With QuoteNot so, he had to take Dramamine and wear suntan lotion and then enter a pressure chamber or something. Hardly perfect. Wormhole travel is hell! I bet it was at least SPF 50!Originally Posted by Latinoguy
time, space whats the difference?I figured this as well --- that the gentlemen was Jones himself, and that he got the information about Little Hill from someone who understood either the future or the reason that location was going to work based on the day/time/ etc.
Witnessing past events happens all the time ---- and I'm not talking about TV shows, I'm talking about Memory. In our concious states and in our sleeping states we access (and sometimes "re-live") events that happened in our past. Especially in dreams, we can even interact and change the course of those past events. Sometimes this can seem very real to us, esp in various dream states. So are we traveling into the past when we are accessing and reliving and interacting with memories? You can't say "it's not real, it's in your head" becaue it is real. It's really happening, even if it is in your head .....
Now the issue is, there is no solid evidence (yet) that merely thinking about the past actually changes what we live day to day as Reality. For example, just because I relive a bad memory where I got in an argument with my parents at age 4 --- and instead of running off to my room crying, I kill them ---- doesn't mean that in reality my parents are dead now, where as five minutes before they were enjoying a nice dinner. In other words, what goes on in my memory of past history seems to have no consequence to the realm of reality I live in. In that sense, it is "all in my head" only.
What I'm guessing Fringe is going to do,is blend those streams of reality. They will make a form of time travel possible by entering the realms of conciousness --- the "energy" where history is recorded ----- and materialize memory into our "realm" to start a new thread of history from any point they choose, even multiple threads. They are already blurring the lines of perceived reality with conciousness reality, so I'm guessing that "time-travel" will be possible by not actually traveling back to a given time, but accessing a certain point of history in "universal memory", observing it, and then materializing it and thus starting a new thread of it in "our reality".
Also, I'm not so sure what they did in this episode was teleportation by breaking down someones atomic structure and rebuildling it again --- I'm fairly certain they opened a wormhole which Jones "entered". Teleportation involves space, not necessarily space-time.
Forgive my lack of knowledge and "shop talk" when it comes to physics, I'm not sure if I described this correctly ...
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what you are describing in the dream...it is a theory in quantum physics ( very fringe physics lol ) but the fact remains a person was moved thousands of KM's and arrived at the other side perfectly? ( LOL ) I highly doubt it! and a wormhole- I doubt it, it would be possible....
only in a TV show
Not so, he had to take Dramamine and wear suntan lotion and then enter a pressure chamber or something. Hardly perfect. Wormhole travel is hell! I bet it was at least SPF 50!
Not only is it a show, the show is taking into account true Fringe science. They say it one way, and we can't possible prove the opposite. We can disagree but can we prove it? No.
Hence it's H's "Principle" and not "Law"
Do you have any idea what theoretically is in a worm traveling trip? trust me the temperature would be the least of their problems...
Perhaps, but we still don't know exactly what happened to Jones when he travelled.I'm prepared to suspend my disbelief for now, because I don't know how the writers could have portrayed the teleportation in a more succinct way without slowing down the cliff-hanger story of Olivia being abducted.
The Dramamine and lotion (etc) was good enough for me. If they had Jones melt into a puddle after his journey, then we'd have no story to tell, in that respect.
Perhaps, but we still don't know exactly what happened to Jones when he travelled.
The Dramamine and lotion (etc) was good enough for me. If they had Jones melt into a puddle after his journey, then we'd have no story to tell, in that respect.
how is lotion going to help him when he is divided into millions and millions of atoms?
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Perhaps not, but if that happened we wouldn't have had an satisfactory ending to the episode. Jones would be dead and Loeb presumably left rudderless..
As I had mentioned on your thread “time traveling? My butt!!” I had stated the following: “If you remember, Mr. Jones had to "stand" perfectly still and prior to that he used a high degree of suntan lotion to prevent any subsequent burning from the high level of ultraviolet light that was emitted during the transfer process. He also had to take Dramamine to prevent motion sickness and nausea.” The body for a time before and after the "atomization" phase is still in its true form. And at that stage the body needs to be protected. The suntan lotion and dramamine provides the best known protection at this time to prevent the body from the ill-affects of teleportation. However, as D-Roc pointed out, one should be willing to suspend some of their disbelief for the sake of enjoying the entertainment value of the show. After all, this is “sci-fi” not “sci-fact”.
Peter: Hey Olivia, the cool thing about this is that it is also an mp3 player.
still sun lotion wont help you where you are divided into milllions of atoms....
Most of this show's episode is based on real science theories ( which we will be capable do to in less than a century ) but I am just saying that the time travel went a bit to far
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I don't want to dive deep into this, because it is a VERY VERY controversial issue.
If technology was developed to deconstruct the human body into atoms, we would be left with "a trillion trillion" atoms. Now if technology was also capable of itemizing these atoms and putting them all in a database BASED on all the varying data of the atom, as well as how they would need to be reconstructed in order to reproduce the human body again, THEN teleportation would be possible.
Now once again, our technology is a great deal away from being able to do such. And such a feat seems impossible. But we have been progressing slowly towards the ability to actually accomplish it. Teleportation does bring up a lot about the uncertainty principal.
But even still, several well distinguished physicists have found reason to criticize the principle. So it is still up in the air.
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