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    Quote Originally Posted by Deknor View Post
    Due to the theory that this thread is based on, we assume that Jones and Nina are not working on the same side but towards the same goal.

    But what if we are mistaken? I believe that they could easily be working together but as separate functioning cells.. Nina definitely wants Olivia's mind.

    I would assume that Jones is after the same thing, but I could be mistaken.
    It's been suggested that they are working together, but it has been disputed that they are working against each other. It seems, with the last episode, that they would be working against each other, because Nina mentions that they were working against some very motivated people, seemingly Jones and Loeb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deknor View Post
    Due to the theory that this thread is based on, we assume that Jones and Nina are not working on the same side but towards the same goal.

    But what if we are mistaken? I believe that they could easily be working together but as separate functioning cells.. Nina definitely wants Olivia's mind.

    I would assume that Jones is after the same thing, but I could be mistaken.
    I'm just not sold on the idea they are working together. I am thinking more and more that Nina is a Massive Dynamic Queen, and her interests lay pretty heavily in line with whatever MD's interests are. I think she obviously has alterior motives in play (by the fact she shares information with others, including Broyles who threatened her in the last episode) --- but I doubt her alterior motives would be her priorities over MD's welfare. I honestly do not think she is behind MOST of the events attributed to the Pattern (at least she is not knowingly behind them), although she is responsible for some of the events associated with the Pattern, in an attempt to expose the threat the Pattern and it's responsible forces pose to her and MD.

    Jones on the other hand seems to draw his resources from rogues within Nina and Broyles world, who would be in opposition to their apparent goals and priorities. I do think though, that Nina and Jones and the various groups are all after essentially the same thing, just for different reasons. In some ways, they are like the various players in an Indiana Jones epic. They are searching for the same "object", but for different motives and reasons (like the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail). At times, they use each other to further advance their own agendas (like the Nazi's and Jones, or that group that protected the Grail for centuries, etc.) --- but this doesn't necessarily mean they are working "together".

    I am going to be extremely disappointed if we find out that Nina and Jones are piloting the same boat together. It is too obvious of a deduced direction the show is hinting at wanting us to make, and if Jones isn't Bell --- then it introduces a whole other "soap opera" dynamic to the show that is already building. "Lab triangles" between Bell, Bishop, and Nina. Too much of this, and you suck the sci-fi aspect out of it (like that Peter and Cass business I'm trying to repress from Dreamscape ) But this is just my opinion.

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    Very funny but yeah I knew you were kidding . Anyway as far as why Jones kidnapped Olivia; I think that it's more then him wanting the locations of the other boxes. It could also be related to what's happening inside of Olivia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Dunham View Post
    Very funny but yeah I knew you were kidding . Anyway as far as why Jones kidnapped Olivia; I think that it's more then him wanting the locations of the other boxes. It could also be related to what's happening inside of Olivia.
    Aside from the idea that Olivia could be pregnant, she is housing some of John's essential memories, and there is more to her connection to the Pattern events than meets the eye --------- I wonder if there is anything else she could have "inside"?

    Has anyone wondered yet if Olivia is William Bell? She is, after all, the very last person we would suspect. She might not literally be Bell, but perhaps she has his memories --- stolen by John? It's probably a stretch ....


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    I don't think she's pregnant and as far as her actually being William Bell isn't too much of a stretch. And she definitely has more to do with 'The Pattern' then meets the eye. One of my main theories is that something happened to her in the tank besides getting some of John's memories. It's something that I play out in the role play I created.

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    Wow, nice work! I think the CBPPITL is very interesting! T could possibly stand for Toronto?

    Still concealed from us is why the Beacon drills to the surface of the Earth, only to drill its way back down...?

    Nice work, Fringling.
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    Yeah, there is a chance that the other box is in London; Walter was born there, I think.
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    I like it. I think that the last 2 episodes provided a reasonable level of proof that Jones' boys and Massive Dynamic are competing sides.

    All that you said sounds pretty good, it goes along with my theory that John Scott was a double agent between MD and Jones, and that both of them needed his info to 'win', and thus now need Olivia.

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    I am lovin' this theory you have, Fringeling! I agree with you and think the "L" stood for London. I also agree with Fringified, and think that the "T" stands for Toronto.

    So far, my best guesses as to what the "I" could stand for are Indianapolis or Istanbul. There aren't too many major cities that start with the letter "I" and I'm assuming it must be another major city like the rest of the letters.

    Here's a nice link to a list of major cities around the world, though.

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    We've seen them at Iraq before..

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    I just realised Iraq isn't a CITY!
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