Official 1.11 Bound Discussion Thread

[D-Roc]

FRINGE SEASON 1

EPISODE 1.10 "BOUND"

This is the Official discussion thread for episode 1.10 "BOUND". This episode aired January 25, 2009 at 9/8c on FOX.

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Writers:
TBC

Exec. Producer/Showrunner:
Jeff Pinkner

Director:
TBC

Synopsis
TBU

Trailers:

TBU


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[Fringeling]

OMG --- this will be my bit%^ post. No offense to anyone else who enjoyed this episode, but I give it the second to worst episode so far, just one point ahead of Dreamscape. Jeez, where to begin -------

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come". I realize this episode might have been to introduce us to some more elements ---- Olivia's sister, the "two sides", Olivia's special place in the Fringeverse, the coming epidemic, etc. I'm just saying a little more effort could have been put into the dramatic development. It didn't have to be treated like filler. I I wish they had explored the cold-virus from San Luis Obispo a little more . Olivia seemed to have no concern that it could possibly be related to a spinal tap she had gotten that morning for God's sakes.

The saving grace for me came in the last few minutes. Once again Loeb threw an episode into a tailspin with his revelations, this time about the 2 sides, saving Olivia, etc.

Anyway, I said this was my bee-och post. Forgive me yall, for I have sinned

[empty_encounters]

OMG --- this will be my bit%^ post. No offense to anyone else who enjoyed this episode, but I give it the second to worst episode so far, just one point ahead of Dreamscape. Jeez, where to begin -------

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come". I realize this episode might have been to introduce us to some more elements ---- Olivia's sister, the "two sides", Olivia's special place in the Fringeverse, the coming epidemic, etc. I'm just saying a little more effort could have been put into the dramatic development. It didn't have to be treated like filler. I I wish they had explored the cold-virus from San Luis Obispo a little more . Olivia seemed to have no concern that it could possibly be related to a spinal tap she had gotten that morning for God's sakes.

The saving grace for me came in the last few minutes. Once again Loeb threw an episode into a tailspin with his revelations, this time about the 2 sides, saving Olivia, etc.

Anyway, I said this was my bee-och post. Forgive me yall, for I have sinned

- Olivia has an extreme gift for observation. An average person wouldn't have looked at the shoes the first time nor drawn the connection the second time.

- I doubt Loeb and Samantha were using the FBI line to communicate anytime before, this was an emergency.

- Harris had a friendship with Broyles. That was alluded to in the first episode and my guess is that Harris may still want to keep Broyles from completely hating him. Or coming down hard on him.

[LovinSha]

Was it just me...or was that quite a packly tight episode?

That's a lot of stuff happening in 50 mins (that managed the serial arc, the standalone arc, and the personal arc in one hour! that's impressive if you ask me) and once again new questions in store...heh. It's good stuff though. I hope next week's episode taps into more of tonight's new questions.

[Fringeling]

- Olivia has an extreme gift for observation. An average person wouldn't have looked at the shoes the first time nor drawn the connection the second time.

- I doubt Loeb and Samantha were using the FBI line to communicate anytime before, this was an emergency.

- Harris had a friendship with Broyles. That was alluded to in the first episode and my guess is that Harris may still want to keep Broyles from completely hating him. Or coming down hard on him.

I'm not arguing, but that just shows more of the lack of thought towards an intelligent audience by the Fringe boys and girls (for me at least):

* Olivia is extemely observant, yet can't tell when half of the people around her are moles, using her, etc. And for someone who wants to investigate Loeb, she goes stright to his friggin house and attempts to break in ------ by herself no less! At least get Charlie to be look out for her or something! I know she can't include everyone in the dept, but Charlie knew what she was doing. At least wait for him! Come on!!!

* Loeb had a cell phone, and responded to a text message from Samantha. Why not call him on his cell phone? How did she know he'd be sitting right by his FBI office phone? If he didn't answer, what was she going to do then? It was just all too convenient ---- she has direct access to the phone he's sitting at, he is able to talk to her privately in an open area. It's just poorly thought out situations from a show that's suppose to target a thinking group of people.

* Harris seemed happy to pull the "I'm the boss" card on Broyles and put him in his place. He illegally handcuffed one of his agents to the bedrail in the hospital and got away with it! And then, all of a sudden, we see his soft side coming out when Olivia pouts about "doing the right thing".

I don't know. I just don't like inconsistencies about the show. One moment someone is acting highly intelligently (like hiding the evidence in the pile of dirt), the next they are complete morons (like jumping out of a van and running across a park to escape some bad guys, like in Safe). I am expecting more from these guys ---- JJ and co. ------- when "everything has a purpose", etc. etc. If I'm searching for clues each and every second, I don't want to see so many "errors in thought" so to speak.

Anyway, I didn't want to make a biz-och post #2. I pulled the same attitude after Dreamscape I'll get over it...

[Observer]

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

I didn't think the episode was a flaky as you make it out to be.

Loeb appeared to be telling the truth in the interrogation room. If abducting Olivia was really for her own good, as Loeb says "to protect her", then the fact that those doctors gave her a drink makes perfect sense. Meaning, they were actually doing good and will probably turn out to be compassionate people that are part of some sort of rebel group working against Massive Dynamic.

I seriously doublt that Massive Dynamic will turn out to be just some big, benign puppy dog while Loeb and Co. are clandestinely raising hell with the pattern.

Of course, one could also point out that Loeb is associated with David Robert Jones, who appears to be a rather sinister fellow.

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However, I will agree that this was one of the poorest episodes. I really don't understand why Harris is suddenly thrown back into the mix. Also, more Walter was needed.

[xXJDUBSXx]

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come". I realize this episode might have been to introduce us to some more elements ---- Olivia's sister, the "two sides", Olivia's special place in the Fringeverse, the coming epidemic, etc. I'm just saying a little more effort could have been put into the dramatic development. It didn't have to be treated like filler. I I wish they had explored the cold-virus from San Luis Obispo a little more . Olivia seemed to have no concern that it could possibly be related to a spinal tap she had gotten that morning for God's sakes.

The saving grace for me came in the last few minutes. Once again Loeb threw an episode into a tailspin with his revelations, this time about the 2 sides, saving Olivia, etc.

Just a few thoughts on what might be taking place. #1 We dont actually 'Know" how long Olivia was out after being "tranquilized". If this was a significant amount of time, they could have easily cleaned the warehouse. She wakes up in a hospital, no telling how long she was there. This may also signify that Harris is part of the ZFT program with Loab. Hince why he agreed to let the one doctor stay in protective custady, because he knew Loab could get to him anyway.

#2: I think they give her water and let her sit up becuase they were actually saveing her life. Like she said.....If they wanted her gone, why not just kill her? I know Loab told his wife to kill her, but i also think that this was because he doesn't feel she is as important, maybe even expendable, when compaired to what he knows or his overall goal. Maybe he doesn't want to kill her, but if it is the only way to keep what he is doing safe, then do what needs to be done. Although this is all speculation, because i can also see how it could be a smoke screen and Loab is actually a bad guy. I say this because i still cant figure out why he/they wanted the two doctors dead. Unless its some kinda Terminator type scenario where the doctors were actually going to bring alot of harm into the world, but actually think that they were doing "Good".

I most certainly agree about the whole letting Olivia snoop around through the house bit. I mean who would let someone go off alone when you had such incriminating evidence, such as the pics of the slugs, in such an accessable place.

Just a few thoughts. Not trying to argue at all fringeling, just maybe a few possibilities.

[D-Roc]

OMG --- this will be my bit%^ post. No offense to anyone else who enjoyed this episode, but I give it the second to worst episode so far, just one point ahead of Dreamscape. Jeez, where to begin -------

You'd rate this below Same Old Story?

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

Admittedly those were poor judgement errors on the part of the characters, and I called them out as I was watching. For someone in so deep, Loeb sure should shine his shoes before he heads off to the 'day job'.

Although it was predictable, I still enjoyed her escape and the way that she 'connected the dots'. As for her captors giving her a drink of water, as someone mentioned, these people seem to be 'on her side', so to speak. The game has become a whole lot more murkey with Loeb's revelation. No doubt it was a poor decision on the part of the stooge, but even I felt like reaching through my screen and giving poor Liv a glass of water. Also, one thiing that strikes me about Olivia is that she's a lot stronger than she looks - she should it when she leapt across that rooftop - without looking, mind - when chasing Steig, and she's shown it on numerous occasions, chasing strange men and women into dark avenues..alone. I think that people underestimate her, and that is her greatest strength..well, one of them. Of course we'll have to discount her capture in "Safe", where she ran like a baby.

I loved the Charlotte Loeb character (good actress, btw), it's such a shame she's dead. I agree that it was stupid of her to call Mitch at the office, I couldn't believe it myself. I can't defend the writers over that one, lol. Still, that fight scene..wow!

As for the Harris stuff, yeah it was a bit lacking, but I can understand the creators wanting to use him to facilitate a 'recap' for new viewers. I didn enjoy the way that she talked him around though - yet another one of her 'abilities'.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come".

I think he was referring to the next 3 or 4 episodes as a whole.

[BrassOrchid]

My guess is her sister knows something about Olivia's step father ........ or uncle ........ or the connection between Olivia and Ella (the niece) .........

Oo, good idea! I had almost forgotten about that card she got on her birthday. Maybe we'll learn something about that next time!

[empty_encounters]

I loved Dreamscape. Though of course when I watched Dreamscape I was on vacation in St. Croix and sort of drunk