Official 1.11 Bound Discussion Thread

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* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come". I realize this episode might have been to introduce us to some more elements ---- Olivia's sister, the "two sides", Olivia's special place in the Fringeverse, the coming epidemic, etc. I'm just saying a little more effort could have been put into the dramatic development. It didn't have to be treated like filler. I I wish they had explored the cold-virus from San Luis Obispo a little more . Olivia seemed to have no concern that it could possibly be related to a spinal tap she had gotten that morning for God's sakes.

The saving grace for me came in the last few minutes. Once again Loeb threw an episode into a tailspin with his revelations, this time about the 2 sides, saving Olivia, etc.

Just a few thoughts on what might be taking place. #1 We dont actually 'Know" how long Olivia was out after being "tranquilized". If this was a significant amount of time, they could have easily cleaned the warehouse. She wakes up in a hospital, no telling how long she was there. This may also signify that Harris is part of the ZFT program with Loab. Hince why he agreed to let the one doctor stay in protective custady, because he knew Loab could get to him anyway.

#2: I think they give her water and let her sit up becuase they were actually saveing her life. Like she said.....If they wanted her gone, why not just kill her? I know Loab told his wife to kill her, but i also think that this was because he doesn't feel she is as important, maybe even expendable, when compaired to what he knows or his overall goal. Maybe he doesn't want to kill her, but if it is the only way to keep what he is doing safe, then do what needs to be done. Although this is all speculation, because i can also see how it could be a smoke screen and Loab is actually a bad guy. I say this because i still cant figure out why he/they wanted the two doctors dead. Unless its some kinda Terminator type scenario where the doctors were actually going to bring alot of harm into the world, but actually think that they were doing "Good".

I most certainly agree about the whole letting Olivia snoop around through the house bit. I mean who would let someone go off alone when you had such incriminating evidence, such as the pics of the slugs, in such an accessable place.

Just a few thoughts. Not trying to argue at all fringeling, just maybe a few possibilities.

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OMG --- this will be my bit%^ post. No offense to anyone else who enjoyed this episode, but I give it the second to worst episode so far, just one point ahead of Dreamscape. Jeez, where to begin -------

You'd rate this below Same Old Story?

* Is everyone in the show stupid or what? Loeb manages to clear out the entire warehouse where Olivia was captured not leaving a trace, but wears the same clothes to work! And Olivia's captors allow her to raise up and become unlatched to give her a drink of water! And that whole scene where Olivia is searching Loeb's house while "in the bathroom" and Loeb's wife calls him at work --------- are you serious? Are we to actually believe that both of them would have gotten away with their secretive behavior in a real world scenario? And Sandord Harris has such a huge vendetta against Olivia, yet he shows how weak he really is when he gives into her "plea for his ethics" and allows her to protect that other doctor? Come on. The character situations were weak and completely unrealistic. And that whole scene in the beginning with Harris and Olivia in the hospital bed, staged so we could get a quick recap of some events. It was like watching the villian give the token monologue! I just thought several setups were awful and once again B Movie drama, just like Dreamscape.

Admittedly those were poor judgement errors on the part of the characters, and I called them out as I was watching. For someone in so deep, Loeb sure should shine his shoes before he heads off to the 'day job'.

Although it was predictable, I still enjoyed her escape and the way that she 'connected the dots'. As for her captors giving her a drink of water, as someone mentioned, these people seem to be 'on her side', so to speak. The game has become a whole lot more murkey with Loeb's revelation. No doubt it was a poor decision on the part of the stooge, but even I felt like reaching through my screen and giving poor Liv a glass of water. Also, one thiing that strikes me about Olivia is that she's a lot stronger than she looks - she should it when she leapt across that rooftop - without looking, mind - when chasing Steig, and she's shown it on numerous occasions, chasing strange men and women into dark avenues..alone. I think that people underestimate her, and that is her greatest strength..well, one of them. Of course we'll have to discount her capture in "Safe", where she ran like a baby.

I loved the Charlotte Loeb character (good actress, btw), it's such a shame she's dead. I agree that it was stupid of her to call Mitch at the office, I couldn't believe it myself. I can't defend the writers over that one, lol. Still, that fight scene..wow!

As for the Harris stuff, yeah it was a bit lacking, but I can understand the creators wanting to use him to facilitate a 'recap' for new viewers. I didn enjoy the way that she talked him around though - yet another one of her 'abilities'.

I certainly hope this wasn't one of the episodes JJ ABrams was saying were "one of the best to come".

I think he was referring to the next 3 or 4 episodes as a whole.

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I know Loab told his wife to kill her, but i also think that this was because he doesn't feel she is as important, maybe even expendable, when compaired to what he knows or his overall goal.

Without knowing where the writers are going with this, I thought this was a strange move. Having Loeb tell Charlotte to kill Olivia really puts a cloud over Loeb's possible alturistic aims. I liked the idea of Olivia being so important that she needed to be kept alive at all costs. I understand that they needed to induce the tension, but in retrospect I feel that it would have worked better had Charlotte taken the decision to kill Olivia herself upon herself. This would have made Loeb's revelation about "saving" Olivia more credible, as he might know more about Olivia's importance than his wife did. Because why go to such great lenths to save her, yet be so willing to kill her at any sign of trouble?

Perhaps, as you say, she was expendable at this point, but it doesn't tally with his great reveal.

I also find it interesting that most of these 'pattern-related folks' have so far been more than willing to kill themselves when their plan goes wrong - Ziegler, Patel, etc - "Loyal to the end", and yet the Loeb's, the very people working with the man who seems to regard loyalty above all else, opt for self preservation. What gives?

Unless they believe that they are important pieces in a greater plan. I guess it sounded that way when Loeb revealed the truth. Assuming he's not lying

I guess these different 'sides' also have different ethics and codes of conduct that ,ay distinguish them

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It was not a great episode, especially the 1st half. I think Oliva's sister and her "thing she's not telling" has to do with next week - she (the sister and maybe the daughter) are there for nefarious reasons.

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It was not a great episode, especially the 1st half. I think Oliva's sister and her "thing she's not telling" has to do with next week - she (the sister and maybe the daughter) are there for nefarious reasons.

Yeah, very dubious..and what a time to visit, huh?

Any catch the little girls name? I bet it turns out that she's really Olivia's daughter..or something trippy like that.

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I bet it turns out that she's really Olivia's daughter..or something trippy like that.

She could be Oliva's own daughter with John Scott from a parallel dimension...

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And what about my man Broyles going to the mat for his agent? Great acting, IMHO.

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Yeah, very dubious..and what a time to visit, huh?

Any catch the little girls name? I bet it turns out that she's really Olivia's daughter..or something trippy like that.

I think her name is Ella.

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Someone has to play Devils Advocate, and Fringeling did a very good job. I'm reserved in my praise for this episode, but I'm still wholeheartedly behind the series. So it creates a dilemna. Do I pick the episode apart, instigate a 'snowball' effect for other readers (including the showfolk, don't forget) to gather a negative impression? Nah.

It wasn't one of my favorite episodes, but I'm comfortable with it being another 'lets catch up people who haven't seen the show' exposition. The dramatic tension with Mrs. Loeb was awesome. And I LOVE Charlie! He's dour, not contradictory in his behavior. If anything, someone could put a backstory out there that Charlie has some strong affection for Olivia. And I'm concerned about Loeb saying, "We Saved You." I can't write it off as a lie.

And us Benchwarmers got to ooooooo and ahhhhhh over "Peter was worried about you, Olivia. Really worried." Yes, I'm one of the Romance Junkies!

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She could be Oliva's own daughter with John Scott from a parallel dimension...

And what about my man Broyles going to the mat for his agent? Great acting, IMHO.

What do you mean? Which agent?

I think her name is Ella.

Ah, thanks muchly

The dramatic tension with Mrs. Loeb was awesome.

I'm going to miss Mrs L. She had me from the moment she whispered "Little Hill", awesome moment.

And I LOVE Charlie! He's dour, not contradictory in his behavior. If anything, someone could put a backstory out there that Charlie has some strong affection for Olivia.

Charlie's losing his shine a bit - for me anyway. I still like him and there's plently of potential there, as you suggest. I was interested to know that he's Phillip's No #2. I guess he ranks above Liv then? Unless it was a temporary arrangement due to Liv being abducted. Olivia's always struck me as being his senior.

And I'm concerned about Loeb saying, "We Saved You." I can't write it off as a lie.

At this point I'd like to use a great quote from a great tv show character - "we are all saved in different ways". I wonder whether both sides are trying to 'save' people, each side having their own idea of what is best from this impending whatever it is..