Nick "Olive" and Peter

[P.Bishop]

Obviously we know that Nick and Olivia have a connection because they where "buddies" when Walter and Bell did their expriments in Jacksonville FL. But i also noticed that when Walter had Olivia under hypnosis (don't know if i spelled that right haha) right after she felt Nick "kill" that stripper she becomes really upset and Walter tells Peter to calm her down and all it took was for him to hold her hand and she almost immediatly became calm, which made me think, what if Peter was given Cortexiphan as a child, which isn't exactly that fare fetched seeing as we know Walter exprimented on Peter as a child. Maybe i'm just looking for something thats not there, but i don't know. I'd love to know what you all think

*As a side note i noticed Walter became really upset when he realized Olivia had been treated with Cortexiphan and even more so where he found the old video tape and watched it.*

[Matthew]

Obviously we know that Nick and Olivia have a connection because they where "buddies" when Walter and Bell did their expriments in Jacksonville FL. But i also noticed that when Walter had Olivia under hypnosis (don't know if i spelled that right haha) right after she felt Nick "kill" that stripper she becomes really upset and Walter tells Peter to calm her down and all it took was for him to hold her hand and she almost immediatly became calm, which made me think, what if Peter was given Cortexiphan as a child, which isn't exactly that fare fetched seeing as we know Walter exprimented on Peter as a child. Maybe i'm just looking for something thats not there, but i don't know. I'd love to know what you all think

*As a side note i noticed Walter became really upset when he realized Olivia had been treated with Cortexiphan and even more so where he found the old video tape and watched it.*

I'm not so sure about your first theory, but I honestly think that Walter did not know he tested Olivia until he found the tapes. He forgot quite a bit of information about his past, and I don't think he realized he tested on he found the tape, and then he remembered more than just hte video when he saw it. Walter said himself in the episode "that he doesn't know everything" but I think it is all there in his mind, and that video may have triggered a branch of it relating to "Olive"

[P.Bishop]

I may not be wording my self correctly, i think peoples special like nick and olivia but his powers are very refined even though he may not know it.

[animus]

You bring up an interesting point about the hypnosis scene, Olivia did seem to calm down the moment Peter held her. The way I see it that this could be for one of these reasons:
1. Peter really is special. And many of us have speculated time and time again about Peter's medical history and what Walter did to him as a child. This could really be a clue..
2. Pure P/O shiperness!! HAHA.. JJ Abrams is a hopeless romantic. SO... it could have been just some well deserved OTP.
OR
3. Both of the above...

[dingo]

You bring up an interesting point about the hypnosis scene, Olivia did seem to calm down the moment Peter held her. The way I see it that this could be for one of these reasons:
1. Peter really is special. And many of us have speculated time and time again about Peter's medical history and what Walter did to him as a child. This could really be a clue..
2. Pure P/O shiperness!! HAHA.. JJ Abrams is a hopeless romantic. SO... it could have been just some well deserved OTP.
OR
3. Both of the above...

I really felt that scene was showing that Peter has some kind of "Power". Walter was strong in Telling Peter to help her.

My bet is that we are looking at Star Wars here, and Liv and Peter are brother/sister.

[Fringeling]

I don't know if Peter and Olivia are cortexaphan related or not, but I think his "ability" to calm her may be linked to her feelings for him.

Possible case in point: has anyone wondered why Olivia linked to Nick Lane specifically with the dreams that she did? After all, Nick did say he was tired of hurting people, so I'm guessing that the victims we saw in this episode were not his only ones. And if Olivia was "activated" by Jones awhile back, then she could have "linked" to Nick previously over the last couple of episodes timeframe.

I speculate that the reason she linked to Nick now, and the events she "astrally projected" by dream into his mind in particular are because of her feelings for Peter and the realization that her sister might be stealing him away from her.

Think about it: the first victim (Pears was her last name I think) had a wonderful thing going with her child and her husband. By all accounts they were happy and loving. Knowing that Nick effected her with his emotions, perhaps he picked up a "signal" on her happiness as well, which Olivia tapped into? Her jealousy over this woman having a successful family combined with Nick's self hatred at the time could have caused her connection light to go on and spark her dreamstate with Nick. Possibly.

The second victim was all about flirting with another woman and cheating, etc etc. Once again ---- perhaps Nick's anger with himself and suicidal tendencies combined with this woman's slight jealous feelings triggered Olivias connection light again, and the "signal" went out to her causing her to show up in Nicks realm. Supposedly, Nick effected others with feelings that he himself was feelig. So where did this womans murderous rage over jealousy come from --- if not somewhat from Olivia? Why would Nick be thinking or feeling anything like this? I'm thinking the first victim was mostly Nick's fault, and the second one was actually mostly Olivia's because of her jealousy over Peter and Rachel.

I don't really count the stripper victim as part of this theory, because this connection with Nick was apparently "induced" by Walter more or less, and not naturally occurring like the other ones.

I think the key to this theory having some plausibility might be Olivia's comment to Rachel in the beginning of the episode that she envied Rachel's ability to date two guys at the same time.

[skibopple]

Ooh I like your thinking Fringeling! I didn't completely understand it the first time I read it but I watched the episode again and I can see what you're getting at! The key lines I got were that Cortexiphan (sp?) works on feelings and the bond created with the 'buddy system' is greatly amplified by cortexiphan so although Olivia and Nick had the bond she's only felt that connection since she has started to 'feel' jealousy over Peter - perhaps more intense than she's letting on!

About Walter knowing Peter would calm her down - I think a) he knew Peter's 'ability'/medical history would calm her (whatever that might be) and b) I think Walter didn't do it cos she freaked out when he (creepily) touched her face earlier! (I didn't like Walter being creepy!!! )

And yes you're right P.Bishop - Walter really did look upset when he heard Olivia could have been treated with Cortexiphan. I wonder if that might have triggered some sort of memory for him. Maybe not of her but of his involvement in the project??

[animus]

My bet is that we are looking at Star Wars here, and Liv and Peter are brother/sister.

They've pretty much said that they are not brother and sister already. There was an interview with Anna Torv and she said that, at this point, the chances of them being related are pretty much non-existent.

Seeing "Olive" as a child made me wonder if Peter and Olivia knew each other from childhood, as we know Walter tested things on Peter- and again, it could be a pointer to the brother/sister theory, I guess. However, her intense jelousy over his blossoming friendship with Rachel surely isn't natural for a sister to feel, if we are to believe that theory. Perhaps they were also childhood friends? It's possible they don't remember, as Nick Lain (sp?) asked Olivia if she remembered him, and she said she didn't. So perhaps, at some point, Peter and Olivia will remember each other from childhood- or one of them will.

I completely agree with you Arctic Fox. I noticed how bitter she sounded at the beginning of the eppy when she was talking to Rachel. I mean her comment about Rachel dating 2 guys at the same time... Ouch (and Rachel didn't even register it. Is she actually so self involved that she doesnt see that Olivia is troubled. Grrr... anyway).
Im thinking Olivia and Peter were buddies when they were kiddies. Or at the very least they knew each other... I could elaborate on that, but then I'd just be repeating what you said

[dallas]

Definitely need more on Peter's history.

[P.Bishop]

And yes you're right P.Bishop - Walter really did look upset when he heard Olivia could have been treated with Cortexiphan. I wonder if that might have triggered some sort of memory for him. Maybe not of her but of his involvement in the project??

Even more so at the end when he's sitting there watching the video tape, even though i couldn't really make out much of what was being said, it seemed to me like something bad or unexpected happened either with Olive and Nick or just Olive herself, cause you hear Walter telling Olive to calm down and that is wasn't her fault so quite obviously something wrong happened, and (now i'm just speculating) what if the reason Nick has that scar on his face is because of this accident that may have happened during Walter and Belly's experiments.