Peter's Nightmare

[kanitab]

My theory is that this world's Peter died of that disease or thing that Walter mentioned he had, and then Walter stole our Peter from the alter world

Yeah I definitely think he might have made up the drowning incident and that Peter really died of the disease, but does anyone remember him talking about the drowning in first season? It was like they were driving and ice cracked or something I don't remember...and I think he said the observer saved Peter and that was the favor that he owed him for later. Remember, the observer came and Walter had to return a favor...so I am thinking the Observer helped him or enabled him to get to the other side and take Peter..maybe..(even though the observers seem to not interfere)

[bookworm2342]

Yeah I definitely think he might have made up the drowning incident and that Peter really died of the disease, but does anyone remember him talking about the drowning in first season? It was like they were driving and ice cracked or something I don't remember...and I think he said the observer saved Peter and that was the favor that he owed him for later. Remember, the observer came and Walter had to return a favor.

Yeah. I remember reading in a few places that some people think the crash happened after Walter kidnapped Peter, when they were crossing back here.

[HarveyMidnight]

Yeah. I remember reading in a few places that some people think the crash happened after Walter kidnapped Peter, when they were crossing back here.

Yes, it makes sense.. the 'soft spot' where Jones tried to cross into the other world was at Reiden Lake, and Walter just happens to have a house there.

Makes sense that maybe Walter drove thru the soft spot in a car, and unexpectedly crashed in the water when he got back to this universe.

But remember, also, that Olivia found Reiden Lake by tracking 'pattern events' -- she saw the sites as pins on a map & noticed they all seemed to radiate outward from Reiden Lake, as if that was 'hub' of whatever is causing the pattern.

Which COULD mean Walter is the one who first punched the 'hole' into the other world, there at Reiden Lake... which COULD mean the only reason all of this is happening-- the Pattern, the coming war, ZFT rising up to try & prepare for the war, Olivia being treated with cortexiphan-- is all Walter's fault for going there & taking Peter in the first place.

[bookworm2342]

That definitely seems like that's what it's leading up to. I'm sure there'll be some kind of twist, though.

[BishopWalter]

all good points, gotta wait 2 weeks for next episode

[bookworm2342]

Stupid hiatus.

[kanitab]

all good points, gotta wait 2 weeks for next episode

Why is there no episode next week??

[bookworm2342]

Hiatus because of baseball

[Quill]

As soon as Peter said he'd had nightmares from age 8 to 19, I knew it was about the kidnapping - and probably his childhood with Alter-Walter as well. Peter would have been 7 - if not a bit older - when Walter stole him, since Original Peter *died* when he was 7.

[jane_doe]

I've suspected for some time exactly what you are proposing, Harvey.

Specifically: Peter died of his illness in this universe. Walter, mad in his grief, punched a hole in reality to steal alter-Peter and bring him here. And of course, this would drive the alter-Walter mad in turn.

And the reason so many of the pattern events tie back to Walter's old research? Simple: alter-Walter would have been doing parallel research on the other side, and may have pursued some of that research with greater drive as part of his effort to reach into our reality and steal alter-Peter back. Alter-Walter is probably the true moving force behind our shapeshifters, and who knows what percentage of the pattern events.

Follow-up: I also like the theory that the accident in the lake where they were rescued by the Observer took place when Walter was bringing alter-Peter into this universe. It fits nicely in terms of timeline, and also would neatly explain the presence of the Observer - he would have been there to observe such a key incident in the chain of events.