Things just gota a lot more interesting...

[Ajax]

Also, do we officially have 'two sides' now - Broyles and Massive Dynamic, and this other group who were trying to get hold of the disk.

The Broyles and Nina discussion at the end was very interesting. They don't appear to trust one another, but they both appear to know the 'rules' of the game, if you will.

After the conversation last night, I have a new feeling toward Broyles and Nina. I don't dislike Nina so much as I think she has a true affinity for Olivia and her well-being. I think in keeping Olivia out of the loop (Broyles - "when you're ready"), they are in a sense protecting her from what they already know about The Pattern.

[Wondermind]

As I had stated in the “ST Claire’s, …” thread there very well could be other players in this drama. Who put them up to it? Was it MD, another group, or both entities? Now with the involvement of the DEA (ala Agent Mendoza and her section chief/handler Agent Davidson) it would seem that the playing field is getting a whole lot broader.
The very section of the federal executive branch which oversees these various departments:
the NSA (under the DOD), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DEA (under the Department of Justice which also runs the FBI and US Marshals Services)… could be at risk here. In fact it could very well involve elements of all those agencies. Remember, Mr. Broyles does work with the NSA as well and he has ties through the DOD…notice his connections to the Marine Corps. Agent Scott, I believe, was also a Marine. This was evident by the style of his funeral. You only have Marine honor guards for former Marines, federal agents and political figures. Anyway, it is obvious that the creation and residual effects of the pattern is far reaching. This goes way beyond covert/ops, black/ops, and global geo-politics. Now the game is being cranked-up big time. And let’s not forget, there is still a lot of religious undertone being played out. Notice how Roy’s drawing of Agent Mendoza sort of resemble the crucifixion. Why would both her hands be drawn bloody (as was the case for Christ) when it was only her right hand that held the decryption disc? Also, who's to say that the drug cartel is not tied into this. What better way to fund your desire to execute your plans via the pattern than by selling drugs to fund your ambitions. The DEA was initially involved to run down a particular group of drug runners as well. Maybe they got caught up in the middle or maybe they were trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.


Deknor: the time period can easily be extended through the science of cryogenics.

Ajax: Good overview. I feel that Phillip does not want Olivia to end up the same way that John Scott did.

Wow, my head is spinnning, time for a mental nap!

[mygoodeye]

MD are trying to hack John Scott's brain, thats for sure, but could he have worked as a double agent for MD? and/or these 'other' guys?
maybe they were trying to find out what intelligence he knew of the others, but also what intelligence he knew of MD and was leaking.

Wondermind - name fits

yep - religion: St Anne's, Roy's local God store

Saint Anne (also Ann or Anna), of David's house and line, was the mother of the Virgin Mary, according to Christian tradition. Her name Anne is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Hannah. Mary's mother is not named in the canonical Gospels. According to the apocryphal Gospel of James, Anne and her husband Joachim, after years of childlessness, were visited by an angel who told them that they would conceive a child. Anne promised to dedicate the child to God's service. Joachim and Anne are believed to have given Mary to the service of the Second Temple when the girl was three years old.[1] Anne is the patron saint of Quebec, Brittany, women in labor, and miners.

and they chose to speak LATIN over the ghost network. why exactly? Latin always reminds me Catholocism, but Latin is also the language of science.

[Wondermind]

and they chose to speak LATIN over the ghost network. why exactly? Latin always reminds me Catholocism, but Latin is also the language of science.

Excellent observation!

Latin and Aramaic were the first original spoken languages as well and was also spoken during the time of Jesus and of course Mary. Latin today is known as the dead language, thus the users of the Ghost Network thought that by choosing that, they would be safe from overhearing ears.

On a side note; I actually use to teach 5th grade Sunday school and latin was something I use to throw in once and a while to get my students to understand the root origin of english words. It helped them to understand the meanings better.

carpe diem: seize the day!

[hesees]

Sorry if this may have been discussed elsewhere:

In rewatching the episode at the end the technician said that they were "pulling data from the disc for 72 hours" not his brain. I'm curious if the discs are some type of storage device. From the conversation betwen nina and the technician, they refered to the one in John Scott as damaged and hopefully the undamaged disc would help them in breaking the encryption. This makes me think they were raw copying the disc that JS had and would use the undamaged one to be able to work out the portions of the encryption that were damaged on JSs disc.

Also the person speaking Latin appeared to be italian. The structure they were in kind of reminded me of a church basement. Perhaps some religious sect is a player in the pattern? They assumed it was in her bag the first time, I'm curious what led them to believe it was in her hand when they sent the other DEA agent to retrieve it. That leap from the bag to actually in her hand alludes to their lack of knowledge about the disc initially. JS has a disc in him and the DEA agent had one in her, did they put them in themselves or ......

I have a feeling the discs are like a flight data recorder for humans, recording everything they encounter, etc and may have been put in them by someone with their knowledge or no.

[D-Roc]

Sorry if this may have been discussed elsewhere:

In rewatching the episode at the end the technician said that they were "pulling data from the disc for 72 hours" not his brain. I'm curious if the discs are some type of storage device. From the conversation betwen nina and the technician, they refered to the one in John Scott as damaged and hopefully the undamaged disc would help them in breaking the encryption. This makes me think they were raw copying the disc that JS had and would use the undamaged one to be able to work out the portions of the encryption that were damaged on JSs disc.

I think you're kinda on the right lines, and you may actually be right.

My understanding is that the disc was an 'encryption' disc which enabled MD to unlock/download/interpret the data from JS's memories/mind. I'm not sure if they mentioned that JS's disc was damaged - I thought they just referred to the 'other' disc as being damaged, but I could be wrong.

Also the person speaking Latin appeared to be italian. The structure they were in kind of reminded me of a church basement. Perhaps some religious sect is a player in the pattern? They assumed it was in her bag the first time, I'm curious what led them to believe it was in her hand when they sent the other DEA agent to retrieve it. That leap from the bag to actually in her hand alludes to their lack of knowledge about the disc initially. JS has a disc in him and the DEA agent had one in her, did they put them in themselves or ......

I'm not sure that they are part of a religious sect, but until we have clarity on this, it's possible.

I agree, it is a very big leap from the bag to her hand, and I'm not sure if we're just supposed to buy that he worked it out, or that there's something else going to be considered. The cleverness of the scene kinda made forget about how one could possibly know it was in her hand - and he went straight for it aswell. Unless he has somekind of intuititive ability or something

Yeah, I would imagine that she put the disc in her hand herself..unless she got someone to help sow it up for her? It's actually a point worth considering. I just hope they fill in the blanks at some stage.

I have a feeling the discs are like a flight data recorder for humans, recording everything they encounter, etc and may have been put in them by someone with their knowledge or no.

Hmm, interesting - so you're suggesting that the DEA didn't know she had the disc in her hand? I never considered that before - it would go nicely with your suggestion that they 'record everything the person encounters'. So under this premise, someone wanted to keep tabs on her..

Personally I think that the discs de-encrypt rather than record, but I certainly can't rule out your idea

[Rocky]

I agree, it is a very big leap from the bag to her hand, and I'm not sure if we're just supposed to buy that he worked it out, or that there's something else going to be considered. The cleverness of the scene kinda made forget about how one could possibly know it was in her hand - and he went straight for it aswell. Unless he has somekind of intuititive ability or something

I agree too, they must of had some kind of knowledge we did not to know that if she was not carrying it on her, it was in her (in this case hand). This is probably just another example of how deep this whole "pattern" incident is.