Harmonic Rod Triangulation

[Xerophytes]

So, who sets the harmonic rods in the parallel universe, which allow the car to send over to here?

Does this conflict with the notion that similar mass was to be exchanged? Hmm... I mean, the car would be sent even without the harmonic rods because of the mass? Or does it have to have the harmonic rods in order to successfully send a specific item?

[Lawyerdude]

I don't think you need a setup on both sides. When Walter crossed over the first time, he just built a portal on this side. Likewise when Bell & Bishop sent the car over, only they had set up.

As long as one side has the rod setup or a portal system, you can open a gate. The problem becomes one of equivalent exchange, I think. When B&B did the car trick, the other side sent one back. Then they sent a building over, causing a building over here to zap back. But I assume that if you have a harmonic rod triangle at the proper minute when the two universes are in sync, you can simply send something over without an exchange because the universes are temporarily merged. Of course, I'm just guessing.

[Rook]

I think that Newton's agents in the AU set up the rods on their side, and Newton's agents here set them up on this side. That way, like in Walter's toy car experiment, the objects in the middle of the rods on both sides would switch places.

What I don't understand is why Newton made sure the middle of the bridge was absent in this universe. It seems to me that if he had rods on both sides, like Walter said, then even if the whole bridge was present in both universes, they would just switch places and there wouldn't be a problem of two objects occupying the same space.

And I was wondering about the mass thing too. Since they exchanged a bridge and a man with empty space, you would think that that's a large mass difference, resulting in a bridge and a man from this universe to go over there. Another reason why they should have ket the middle of the bridge on this side.

[itaintrite]

Having the harmonic rods on one side will allow you to do a one-way transfer. Have them on both sides will do a swap.

[Rook]

Having the harmonic rods on one side will allow you to do a one-way transfer. Have them on both sides will do a swap.

So which did Newton do?

[itaintrite]

With the building, he did a one-way transfer. This time, he did a two-way swap. Why exactly? Not sure, but that's what we know. Maybe the whole point of this was to avoid the mass difference being balanced out.

I don't really see the advantage of doing the swap vs one-way since the space where the exchange occurred was NOT occupied. So there wouldn't have been any problem with overlapping. But perhaps he wanted to be more careful since it's an important person crossing over.

[Rook]

^Ok. Maybe if he just did a one way, the man would have occupied the same space as the air in this universe. He probably would have pushed the air out of the way when he came through, but it's just a thought that if he just suddenly appeared over here the air wouldn't have time to move out of the way, and that might kill him. I'm probably completely wrong though

And about the conflict of mass thing, I read on another thread that the bridge from over there didn't stay in this universe, because Walter's machine canceled out the vibrations in just enough time. However, the man stepped onto a part of the bridge from this universe in just enough time so that he wasn't taken back to the AU with the bridge.

[itaintrite]

It's possible that with the one-way transfer, they can't pinpoint the location where the object would appear on this side. And they can't risk that with a live person, can they?

[Rook]

^True. I guess having the middle of the bridge absent was just a precaution. that or the writers forgot that doing a two-way transfer exchanges objects. It wouldn't be the first time the writers had a flaw in their explanations.

Ex:

In Johari's Window, they said that the pulse affected the human eye. Therefore, when Astrid was outside of the city limits the pulse wasn't affecting her eye and she saw the moth, while inside them she saw the butterfly. However, when Walter and everyone were driving away from the town, they looked back at the boy and saw him as normal, but they weren't inside the city limits so the pulse wouldn't be affecting their eyes. They should have seen him as mutated.

[Xerophytes]

I don't think you need a setup on both sides. When Walter crossed over the first time, he just built a portal on this side. Likewise when Bell & Bishop sent the car over, only they had set up.

As long as one side has the rod setup or a portal system, you can open a gate. The problem becomes one of equivalent exchange, I think. When B&B did the car trick, the other side sent one back. Then they sent a building over, causing a building over here to zap back. But I assume that if you have a harmonic rod triangle at the proper minute when the two universes are in sync, you can simply send something over without an exchange because the universes are temporarily merged. Of course, I'm just guessing.

Walter's cross-over is entirely different, there was no exchange made. Unlike in this case, we have the exchange of "space" and the "bridge"?

Hmm.... wait. The exchange between the cars are not exactly the same as what had happened here. The car sent over from the alternate universe had a delay... that's the reason why we have an ample time to find the hotel location.

So, how exactly did Walter realized the triangulation in the other side??

Also, it is confusing to as to how sure is Newton that this mechanism works? I mean, the building failed. Presumably, his plan is to send over the man from the other side using that technology, then how did the man knew that the building experiment will fail while the bridge experiment will not?

I also still pondering as to how the shapeshifters are "delivered" to our universe. Presumably, they are delivered in a different mechanism, then why not send the man using the same way. Was it the different in anatomy?