Great analogy all around!Originally Posted by Yorel
But didn't Phillip say that the gunman (John Mosely) was a criminal with a homicide and drug involvement record? Perhaps he was recruited (hired gun) by this time traveling organization or a faction of the organization. This faction, if you will, is aware of the Observer's actions and setup Mosely as an outsider from this particular timestream with perhaps the neccessary equipment/weapons to do their bidding which is to stop the Observer from allowing the subterranean missle to launch to what I feel is a pre-programmed destination. But thanks to Walter and Olivia, that objective failed. Which means we will definately see more of them (hired guns) in future episodes.
Side thought: Now we also need to understand what the Seattle connection is.
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Peter: Hey Olivia, the cool thing about this is that it is also an mp3 player.
..im confused now. i thought the pattern was the werid events that the team are sent to look into, and correct..although they corrected agent scotts little skin problem and he still ended up dying!..so maybe they arent ment to correct it...if that make sense..ie if your number is up..its up!
the other odd thing is, when the baldie creepy guy placed his order, he asked for the water to be at room temp...could be something...
good, will, out.
Walter mentioned he worked on Project Thor, which appears to have been the name orf a real-life project, of a similar nature:
it's obviously more than just a weapon tho, pretty odd weapon if it is...Project Thor
Project Thor is an idea for a weapons system that launches kinetic projectiles from Earth orbit to damage targets on the ground. It is said that the concept originated in a classified study for the United States Air Force in the 1950s.[citation needed]
The most described system is 'an orbiting tungsten telephone pole with small fins and a computer in the back for guidance.' The weapon can be down-scaled as small as several meters long, an orbiting "crowbar" rather than a pole.
The time between deorbiting and impact would only be a few minutes, and depending on the orbits and positions in the orbits, the system would have a world-wide range. There is no requirement to deploy missiles, aircraft or other vehicles. Although the SALT II (1979) prohibited the deployment of orbital weapons of mass destruction, it did not prohibit the deployment of conventional weapons.
The weapon inflicts damage because it moves at orbital velocities, at least 9 kilometers per second. The amount of energy released by the largest version when it hits the ground is roughly comparable to a small nuclear weapon or very large conventional bomb. Smaller weapons can deliver measured amounts of energy as small as a 500 lb conventional bomb.
The "pole" shape is optimal because it enhances reentry and maximizes the device's ability to penetrate hard or buried targets. The larger device is expected to be quite good at penetrating deeply buried bunkers and other command and control targets. The smaller "crowbar" size might be employed for anti-armor, anti-aircraft, anti-satellite and possibly anti-personnel use.
The weapon would be very hard to defend against. It has a very high closing velocity and a small radar cross-section. Launch is difficult to detect. Any infra-red launch signature occurs in orbit, at no fixed position. The infra-red launch signature also has a small magnitude compared to a ballistic missile launch. One drawback of the system is that the weapon's sensors would almost certainly be blind during reentry due to the plasma sheath that would develop ahead of it, so a mobile target could be difficult to hit if it performed any unexpected maneuvering.
While the larger version might be individually launched, the smaller versions would be launched from "pods" or "carriers" that contained several missiles.
It was most recently popularized by Jerry Pournelle, on his website, under the title "Project Thor."
If it would help you feel a sense of retribution I'd tell you to inject me too, but I'd most likely enjoy it...
- Walter Bishop
i don think its a wepon. my thoughts are:
its a huge supository for dinosaurs or
its the new apple in home cinima sytem
or
its just a very shiny object that looks nice
good, will, out.
a shiny macguffin...
If it would help you feel a sense of retribution I'd tell you to inject me too, but I'd most likely enjoy it...
- Walter Bishop
That could indeed be the case - one way or the other, he appears to have some future knowledge - he knew when the cylinder would arrive, he knows where pattern events are to occur. The guy is a very good time-keeper! If he is a time-traveller then one would assume that he respects the 'laws' of time-travel, hence his unwillingness to interfer - apart from saving the Bishop's lives, as has been mentioned.
If he can see into the future, as you suggest, one wonders whether he can also change it..or is his free-will restricted by those laws again?
Sounds interesting - Please share..and welcome!I found this rather interesting article on harmonics and vibration that delves into the type of "fringe science" we're all growing to loveI'm new to the blog, so I'd love to hear your opinions!
Nice theory! I'll need to think about it some more..
Also, we've had several descriptions of this thing - from, can of tinned soup, to cylinder, but I do think The Observer's description will end up being the most accurate - a beacon..a signalling (or communicating) device, as your theory also suggests.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the time that the beacon spent above ground - it arrived at apprx 3.15PM..and went back into the ground at night. Walter must have kept it safe for around 5-6 hours (by burying it). When it arrived it rested on the earth as if someone had carefully placed it there - was it vibrating so fast that it appeared still? Walter mentioned the dimensions of the cylinder, and said they we're 'perfect' - or words to that effect. This last part might go against your theory of the cylinder coming from the past - would they have been able to create such a perfect device in the past?
There so much more juice here that we're yet to explore!
I'm sure it is - every little details adds up to something when it comes to our bald friend. The room temp. thing is interesting..considering when he saved the Bishop's he was indifferent to the cold. His request must tie-in to his speculated need for specific sustenance, rather than preference.
I would agree with this too, but Walter described how the Observer (presumably this one) communicated with him during the crash (read: mindreading). Walter also told Peter that he needed to 'adjust' his definition of communication. So, just like the Ghost Network, this one way absorbing of thoughts would seem to be something that the Observer can already do. So, he shouldn't have to get inside Peter's head OR maybe Walter was mistaken in thinking it was the same guy!!! Maybe this is Peter's observer and he just looks the same as Walters!! What do you think about that idea?
Good idea, I'd certainly be willing to buy that. It's very pssible that there are 'Observers', and each of the people snapped in Broyles photo room are different people who each share the same memories - another allusion to the way in which Walter and Peter have a mental link.
Re: The Observer getting inside Peter's head, perhaps it takes a while before he can 'tune' into someone, and maybe that's what he was doing? Or perhaps the speculated changes that Walter performed on Peter as a child, took The Observer by surprise in that he wasn't immediately able to 'remember' Peter until he re-tuned into his mind?
i just cant think of what this thing is really for.
does it disappear back into the ground because the guy it (possibly) signald to to come get it didnt manage to within the time period? so if it had got into his hands would it have done more than just vibrate and look pretty?
do these things pop up more regularly without people (i.e. crack government teams) noticing? maybe elsewhere in the world? because if 1987 was the last time, waiting 21 years for it to what looks like bugger all again for a few hours seems a tad pointless for whatever it is trying to do.
at least it got Walter out the lab for a few hours eh.
If it would help you feel a sense of retribution I'd tell you to inject me too, but I'd most likely enjoy it...
- Walter Bishop
My understanding/interpretation is that it only had a short 'window of opportunity' until it had to return - like a gateway which was only open for several hours. This seems likely if this is the same cylinder which was last seen all those years ago. Or perhaps it only needed a specific amount of time to do whatever it did?
Had Rouge not been apprehended by Olivia I think that he would have been transported with it to wherever it was going (unlikely), or he would have been able to sabotage it, and cause the cylinders mission to fail. I'm assuming his body was searched after his death, and it's likely that nothing out of the ordinary was found, since we got no mention of it, so it's interesting to speculate just what he would have done with the cylinder. I guess they found his nose-torture-persuation device in his car though? So perhaps there are other goodies that were found and have duley been passed on to MD!?
I could be wrong, but I don't think that too many of these cylinders appear unnoticed elsewhere, as the two that we've had referenced in the show make no attempt to hide or disguise themselves - they just exploade from underneath the ground and rest on top of the earth as if they have been placed. I'm assuming that such things would be reported, and part of Broyles case file, but he only had evidence of one previous cylinder event. Of course, Broyles might not in the loop for everything, and he might be disguising the full extent of the pattern to Olivia, but I still believe that these things are rare - The Observer's actions also seem to suggest as much.
..and I agree, at least Walter got to stretch his legs and get himself a good ole root-beer float - speaking of which, I'm craving for one right now!
Also, did I hear The Observer right? When he 'phones home' and reports the mission as completed, does he say "the POD'S are on schedule", as in 'plural'?? What the...were there several mini-pods inside the one that we saw?
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