She travelled.....

[Xerophytes]

Sure, majority of us believed that she indeed travelled. And the discussion on that goes into here: http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8289

So, let's say indeed Olivia travelled to the alternate universe (which is OUR universe), the biggest question now is..........


Does this qualify as a breach? Obviously an anomalous signature would register this kind of breach ala Orpheum Theater.

The Science Division should be AMBERIZED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If not, that is a big double standard in Walternate's side.

Again, I still find it funny how Walter and Walternate insist on the danger of opening a hole between universes, and yet they are the ones who were constantly doing this.

[tatka_sn]

So, let's say indeed Olivia travelled to the alternate universe (which is OUR universe), the biggest question now is...
Does this qualify as a breach? Obviously an anomalous signature would register this kind of breach ala Orpheum Theater.

The Science Division should be AMBERIZED!

Hm, good thought, haven't thought about those consequences.

First thing came to mind is that maybe cortexifan kids can travel without repercussions not only for themselves, but for universes' fabric too, so they could go undetected. Or maybe it's Olivia's unique ability.

That raises the other questions, such as:

1. Were Walter and cortexifan kids detected only because they have taken Walter with them?
2. Does the shape shifter crossing over create a breach? (probably not, but was it said anywhere on screen?)
3. How did Peter coming back to his native universe affect their breach detecting devices? (Even if he himself is from here, his clothes and other possessions are from BLUE universe)
4. Or does breach occure only if alive or souled matter [being?] is crossing over? (If only alive things, Peter would still be detected, as we all have simbiotic bacteria on and in us - and his still would be from BLUE universe )
5. If the answer to (4) and shape shifter question(2) is yes, does it mean that shape shifters aren't alive, or does it prove them to be soulless?
6. Maybe breach isn't connected to crossing itself, as Joshua Rose was successfully imitating devices’ reaction by destroying the fabric of universe from inside (he wasn’t crossing to our universe, was he? Or maybe he was putting part of our universe inside his ring)?
7. Can it be that breach related to crossing over is anisotropic, thus detected only when crossing from BLUE to RED universe happen? And if crossing is from RED to BLUE, nothing breach-worthy occured? This would mean that all deteoration of RED universe is Walter's fault (or somebody's, but definitely from our universe).

[FringeFan1]

Yes remember Olivia is 'special' hehe

[Xerophytes]

Hm, good thought, haven't thought about those consequences.

First thing came to mind is that maybe cortexifan kids can travel without repercussions not only for themselves, but for universes' fabric too, so they could go undetected. Or maybe it's Olivia's unique ability.

That raises the other questions, such as:

1. Were Walter and cortexifan kids detected only because they have taken Walter with them?
2. Does the shape shifter crossing over create a breach? (probably not, but was it said anywhere on screen?)
3. How did Peter coming back to his native universe affect their breach detecting devices? (Even if he himself is from here, his clothes and other possessions are from BLUE universe)
4. Or does breach occure only if alive or souled matter [being?] is crossing over? (If only alive things, Peter would still be detected, as we all have simbiotic bacteria on and in us - and his still would be from BLUE universe )
5. If the answer to (4) and shape shifter question(2) is yes, does it mean that shape shifters aren't alive, or does it prove them to be soulless?
6. Maybe breach isn't connected to crossing itself, as Joshua Rose was successfully imitating devices’ reaction by destroying the fabric of universe from inside (he wasn’t crossing to our universe, was he? Or maybe he was putting part of our universe inside his ring)?
7. Can it be that breach related to crossing over is anisotropic, thus detected only when crossing from BLUE to RED universe happen? And if crossing is from RED to BLUE, nothing breach-worthy occured? This would mean that all deteoration of RED universe is Walter's fault (or somebody's, but definitely from our universe).

I agree with that. It is really a hard line to draw. We haven't really established what is "breach" over there. But it seemingly to me, for the past 3 episodes, the breach refers to any anomaly. The anomaly seems to be flagged by Lookers, and presumably this anomaly are statistics based.

Confirmed Breach:

- The Orpheum : amberized as a result of creating a hole between the universes, a means of travelling

- Milo : flagged as statistically anomaly, but dismissed as a fringe event

- Amber break : a Class 2 breach

It seems to me that the Fringe Division intend to contain ANY type of breach, unless of course this is statistically low or dismissed as a fringe event.

However, in my understanding, sending a building and a bridge from over there to over here is a big anomaly that it is a sure sign of a tear between universes.

A cross by Olivia over there to over here might not be a breach? But when Peter, Walter and BOLIVIA cross over from here to there is a breach?

I don't really know. It's quite confusing. I'm pretty sure that the Science Division over there do some crazy stuff that will merit a tear between universes.

[WhatsUpDoc1958]

In the the case of Over There (Part I), the power source for traveling to the Alternate Universe was Cortexiphan kids.
This caused a temporary flux that seemed to indicate a breach, but this temporary flux faded.
No amber was required when Corexiphan kids were the power source.

In the case of Over There (Part II), the power source was William Bell's destabilized atomic structure.
His destabilized atomic structure presumably occurred due to the use of the harmonic waves for cross-universe transfer.

All methods except Cortexiphan lead to tears in the universe, it would appear.

[Jane42]

Xerophytes, your avatar's making me squeamish.

WhatsupDoc1958, talk about a polar opposite avatar, ha. I like your last statement that unless you use cortexiphan, tears will appear between the universes. Finally, one of the lower level theories I can hold on to.