Reply With QuoteHollow Earth for some reason reminds me of the capsule in The Arrival. That and your sig, OJ. That was never explained, and I'm wondering if they'll bring that back any time soon.
Allow me to share what I know about Atlantis and the Agharti, if I may:Originally Posted by P.Bishop
-In Atlantean mythology, we have a great an ancient civilization of humans who lived many (as suggested in Fringe) millions of years ago. They were highly advanced both technologically and spiritually. But a great calamity struck their homeland, causing the (apparent) destruction of the Atlantean race.
I imagine that the Sons of the Law of One and the Sons of Belial had something to do with it...
But Atlantis was not the only place where ancient humans could be found...
If you may recall, in episode 119, there was a bookshelf in Susan Pratt's apartment. On this shelf were a number of books whose titles seemed to hint to some important mythology clues, one of them being the Hollow Earth.
n some eastern mythologies, the Earth is in fact hollow, and within this subterranean land lives a great civilization. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I believe this underground land is known as Agharta, and that these people live in their great city of Shamballa with their leader, a man known as the King of the World.
The entrance to this mystical place is rumored to be somewhere in the Himalayas...
I'm kind of rusty in this field, though, so if anyone is more knowledgeable than I, please feel free to correct any faulty assertions I may have made.
Hollow Earth for some reason reminds me of the capsule in The Arrival. That and your sig, OJ
Well, it did make an appearance in Walter's acid trip.Hollow Earth for some reason reminds me of the capsule in The Arrival. That and your sig, OJ
It's much too significant to just abandon entirely, so it will probably resurface (lol!) at a pivotal point of the story.
At least, I hope...
No Sam Weiss is "First People" comments?
Firstly, the producers strongly hint that Sam Weiss may be a "first people".
Now we get "The First People" by Seamus Wiles book. (Samuel Weiss anagram).
Nice catch, RETLAW!
I guess this indirectly confirms the theory that Sam Weiss is a Cataclysm Survivor.
Much like the ZFT Manifesto, I hope we get to see more of what's written inside before show's end.
The Bishop Revival always struck me as an important episode (even though it seemed somewhat self-contained and was fine as such). Depending how retconned this season is, I wonder if the questions in it will ever come to play. The Seahorse. Robert Bishop. The lineage.With Peter's genes being apparently important, then one can only assume that Peter's genetic ancestry traces back directly to the First People in some way.
Could Walternate aware of his own secret ancestry? And were Walter and Robert Bishop aware, despite originating from this reality?
Interesting possibilities, methinks...
There are some really big problems here. First, if FRINGE is going to equate Atlantean mythology with science, as a geologist I'm out. Atlantis is a foolish story line to take; LOST's mythology was easier to accept.
Second, if the calendar of the First People is correct in equating days to degrees on a circle and the amazingly technologically-advanced First People were supposed to have occurred in our past then FRINGE just messed up science. In the past the earth spun faster and there would be more days in a year, not less (450 days is estimated for 1.8 billion years ago). Though maybe that 4 days in a week but 6 sections of a semi-circle (30 degrees each) have something to determining the actual number of days in a First People year. The 6 division are their "hours?" But only in a semicircle, is then a day (in the book) only the daylight period, or half a day? Which would mean that the number of days is 720 meaning they were more like 4 billion years in the past.
No.... I'd rather the First People were something we are to become in the future when the earth slows its rotation to 360 days in a year. But we know that be true. Fringe pulled a boner; they couldn't have written it with 372 degrees in a circle - anything higher than 366?
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The calendar simply adds up degrees in a circle and it starts with 0 degrees, which might be indicative of the winter solstice. That is in the center of "The Period of Dark" which surely means winter starts at 315 degrees. "Dark Meets Light" is then surely Spring starts at 45 degrees, "The Period of Light" is surely summer (though nothing noted at the Summer Solstice) and starts at 135 degrees, and "Light Meets Dark" would be fall which starts at 225 degrees. They had a 6 fold division also numbered from 1-6 which started at 0 degrees and added 60 degrees to each end of the 6 periods (something to do with the 6 fold division of a 4 day week??).
22 months. Though they aren't really months though, as months conform (mostly) to the phases of the moon. Starting at 0 degrees the "months" were:
12/34/17/9/15/8/42/40/27/11/9/12/18/12/8/21/16/7/11/8/10/13
I just hope those numbers aren't days.
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Why is it automatically posting my message twice? I didn't press the post button any more than once.
Weirdness..... FRINGEweirdness....
Last edited by Lij; 11-12-2010 at 03:04 AM.
I think the problem is that you automatically assume that Fringe will equate Atlantis with science. The whole Atlantis/Agharta mythos is not scientific to begin with; it is more mystical/spiritual than anything else, as it has many mentions in the occult/mysticism/religions (particularly the eastern ones).
There is a wealth of rich mythology that the writers could explore, and I don't see why they would pass up such a great opportunity.
What do you mean when you say "as a geologist, I'm out"? I'm assuming it has something to do with the transformation of the Earth over millions of years, but I'm curious as to what you are thinking...
But as of yet, we have very little information information on these First People; to jump to conclusions without knowing how the writers will incorporate it into the overarching story is not one of the wisest courses
of action...
But maybe that's just me and my excitement for this particular storyline talking...
Yeah, all that bunk about nothing in the Atlantic to founder, unless it was the proto-American continents that got rifted away from Europe and Africa. I don't think anyone has hypothesized a microplate that could have been Atlantis and which may have foundered in an oceanic trench and ended up in the mantle(except maybe the Bahamas, they are just broken up crustal pieces). And the myth of Atlantis was likely originated from Crete and Thera when the volcano there blew itself up.
The calendar and the burial of the casket with the machine parts do not fit the geology either, what with plate tectonics going on (if the message is as old as the machine) and more days in year past (for the calendar). Now if Samuel Weiss changed the messages to fit the location of movement of tectonic plates then maybe. But even then some could be lost when a continental plate foundered in the mantle. From the way it was explained last night... it stinks geologically. And geology doesn't get much play in sci-fi. And yet here were two cases, the calendar and the machine-caskets, which depended upon geology and they apparently mucked it up.
Though, don't get me wrong. I loved the show last night, mostly for making me think. I just didn't care where that thought led me.
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