Is it a clue or just an odd choice..

[hypnos0924]

You have books on child development, and mystical drug experience. You might wonder: is this just a reference to the cortexiphan kids, or might William Bell himself have a child?

I've thought about that too that Bell has a child..

And as for the FauxLivia-might-be-pregnant issue.. I think that the writer's are messing with the fans making us all so agitated then the big reveal happens to be different from what we're all fussing about and we're like 'Oh THANK GOD! it didn't happen'.. They're just planning to surprise us. I they are.

[rh]

Bell experimented with children, so it is only reasonable that he has a book about child care sitting on his shelf. But there is also this red car in his safe - a toy. And Nina seems surprised at first, then happy... Well, makes you wonder if some test tube offspring is waiting to be found in one of the future episodes.

[jophan]

I think the car reminded Nina of some past event that brought up fond memories. But what do I know ... I thought "You're holding up better than I expected" meant that Peter had tolerated Walter's eccentricities for so long.

[tricked]

Tricked is very clever here, I think he's nailed it but it belongs in a spoilers/speculation thread. There's a lengthy discussion of this birth certificate here:

http://fringe-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1495

Good call, Tricked!

Oooh .... great link. Those are some wicked cool theories in that thread. Although I think I would disagree with some of the connections, they weren't bad considering they were only one season in. We have almost three seasons behind us now, but still .... very nice

Yeah, I'm thinking that the observer isn't one and the same as KRB ... but still. And Bell could have sired a child any number of ways ... beyond the "classical method"

Oh and thanx for givin me a shout out . I won't go too much farther into this idea however, since it prob. would belong in a speculation section of the forum . I'll just say that the birth certificate of that guy has puzzled me since season one .... and if he's merely another secret Cortexiphan kid like our current mind reader ... off the Walter grid so to speak ... then I'm thinking he's VERY special. Connected directly to the initial epi where we are introduced to the Observer in all his glory, and the ominous Beacon (which I'm speculating is linked to the First People's tech ... seeing as how Peter reacted so strongly to it).

Okay I need to stop now! lol

Sorry--either didn't get the joke or am out of the loop. Who is Kyle Richard Beltran?

See above lol

[Infinity308]

No, the inorganic beings from Castaneda's works have NOTHING in common with observers. They were not first in this world, they have their own world, and supposedly a highly evolved mind. Compared to them, we supposedly are like children bursting with energy. According to Castaneda, they are drawn to that energy like a moth to a street lamp, and certain strong feelings are preferred over others.

But doesn't that description sound eerily similar in some ways to the observers? After all, they seem to have far more highly evolved minds (what with their various powers), and all appear inexplicably drawn the activities of the humans, hence their title. Furthermore, they appear devoid of most emotions, tying loosely into the idea of inorganic. It's just a thought.

Honestly though, this last theory of the three I mentioned felt like the biggest stretch to even me; I'm just drawing it out to see if maybe there is something to it, or to see if someone else might get a flash of inspiration from it and run with it, or take it somewhere new. Though I'd be curious to hear what you (or anyone else) thought about the other two.

(Also; I know at this point that I should have addressed this in the speculation section, but I initially was just commenting on the observation in the episode about the books on the shelf.)

[Stukov]

It is impossible to judge what Castaneda's books are all about from a few quotes. You'd need to read them, and probably more than once.

This is where the writers got the whole Olivia-crossing-on-the-other-side idea.

Castaneda's fiction (or not, depending on how you decide to take it) stipulates that there are many worlds, here and now, and they envelop each other, like layers in an onion. And which one we perceive depends on where our attention is, an attention being defined as a point of brilliance on the energy body which 'assembles' perception. To perceive a whole new world requires a shift of that assemblage point to a new, stable position. I could add a lot more blahblahblah, the major point is - theoretically one could switch between 'worlds' or 'universes', if only knows how.

I could comment on the other books in another message, if you'd like.

If you want to comment I'm not stopping you. I only went and found what the books "synopsis" was on Amazon. If you have a deeper and clearer understanding, by all means enlighten us. I simply copy/pasted in order to have at least, a basic understanding what the book is about.

[tricked]

No, the inorganic beings from Castaneda's works have NOTHING in common with observers. They were not first in this world, they have their own world, and supposedly a highly evolved mind. Compared to them, we supposedly are like children bursting with energy. According to Castaneda, they are drawn to that energy like a moth to a street lamp, and certain strong feelings are preferred over others.

I don't think anything connected to Castaneda's work would provide any sort of clue how things would turn out in the Fringe plot around observers/first people/Sam/etc. Although, Castaneda does have this one character that supposedly lived for thousands and thousands of years, moving through worlds, and borrowing energy to stay alive. I guess you can call that 'Sam Weiss'. Except if you follow strictly Castaneda, it would more likely be 'Samantha Weiss', since Castaneda's character prefers to stay in the female form despite originally being born a male (and no, I am not just kidding around about that, just google 'The Death Defier').

I hope this helps. Sometimes I wonder how on earth I am able to remember so many details about so many books, many of which total bull****.

Having not read a single work of Castaneda and going strictly by what you say here, I see many connections between the Observers and whatever the inorganic beings you reference are.

They do hop through "worlds", quite possibly have evolved minds and quite possibly come from their own "world". And as far as preferring some emotions to others, and us being creatures who are "bursting with energy" ... just look at the Inner Child. He clearly preferred some emotions to others, reacting in fear to threatening individuals whilst preferring Olivia. It was hypothesized that the entirety of his "seeing ability" was based off empathy. Furthermore, I've often wondered if the Observer in the Arrival, when he was looking through his binoculars, wasn't just measuring frequencies and vibrational aspects of the people and environment ... rather, he was also measuring emotional content in the people. For all we know, the Observers use human emotion in order to function in the capacity in which they do (their seeing ability). And also, for all we know, they use our MINDS as the devices through which they hop through the timeline

[sweetfringe]

Well, telling me not to answer the question ... makes me only want to answer it more lol.

Yes I'm speculating 100%, as I haven't seen anything of the next episode beyond the actual trailer/preview for it that airs after each epi. But, some might view the previews as spoilers, so I put them in tags. Simple as that. I probably just typed my speculation too matter of factly.
But ... spoiler tags are spoiler tags. If you don't want to know what is behind door #2 ... don't open that door. Can't raise issue with someone hiding something and then you uncovering what was purposefully hidden and not liking what you found.

I'm suddenly reminded of a recent episode of Fringe entitled "Concentrate and Ask Again" lol .....

Next week's episode is already hinting that there's something big about to be revealed. Seconds your speculations. Man...is already depressed..but this week's Fringe is not to be missed. My opinion Knowing that they put chips underneath their agents skin's and keep close track of their whereabouts..it's more likely that Fauxlivia won't be able to keep it a secret for very long, and Walternate will be the first one to know.

[hypnos0924]

God I was right about the stupid 'BABY' hints! FauxLivia IS pregnant..Damn!

[WhatsUpDoc1958]

Quote from Wikipedia article on Castaneda:

The trapped entity was named the Blue Scout because its "energy" appeared blueish and it was an energetic scout (meaning it was outside of its original realm). The Blue Scout was apparently bait used by the inorganic beings to trap Castaneda as well. But instead they (Castaneda and the Blue Scout) escaped by supposedly merging their energies.
The alleged result of merging their energies was that the Blue Scout followed Castaneda to our world. Furthermore, Castaneda claimed that he gave the Blue Scout a human physical body by helping Carol Tiggs give normal birth to her.

Combining the above idea of "merging their energies" with Spock seems reminiscent of

the Star Trek movies The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock where Spock transferred his soul to Dr. McCoy, who was later given back his body which had survived on the Genesis planet. Later episodes in Fringe Season 3 seem to use this idea.