Season 1 connections

[ruudparklimy]

Hey ppl,

As a fringe freak, I watch reruns all e time and I realise that up til now, there are still many unsolved qns from season 1, like the plastic discs in hands, how were NSA involved with the pattern, who's the committee that broyles presented his new team to.

I think the blue universe has been serving as a testing place for the reds' experiments, like the Amber.

And I really don't believe zft just simply ceased to exists after jones' death.

And STILL who big eddy????

Why dont we compile a list of s1 related qns and post them on this thread and see if we can get any answers?

[jay_eilthabhae]

Its interesting that u bring this up.....because according to a video of pinkner and wyman, the coming episodes will deal with somethings they seeded at season 1

I have a theory on this one, we all know that the entire Pattern, ZFT, and the manuscript thing was never addressed fully by the writers, what if we now come to know that when Broyles used to say, "Its like someone is experimenting, only the entire world is their lab" or something like that, that someone is William Bell, who was doing it for the red universe.....as we know that William used to help Walternate to be "useful to him".....so perhaps every, or most of the pattern related incident were done for the red universe, and we in the blue universe were their Ginny pigs.......

Also, Based on the promotional photos of the coming episode 6B, we might get to know that the amber technology was first experimented on our side (ref. the ghost network)

[ruudparklimy]

What about the discs in the palms? That to me is another bug mystery. I don't see how those NSA agents like John Scott are valuable for mass dynamic.

[rh]

I think it would be better to start such a thread in one of the more general sections of this forum. This one is for episode 3.12, so in a couple of days (when 3.13 is aired) almost nobody will pay attention anymore.

[jay_eilthabhae]

^^Yeah...I agree

[vesh1717]

Agreed. Not sure if there is a running list going, but this is a good idea. I would like to see how many things were "forgotten" about.

This should def be moved to the general discussion section IMO, or else it will get lost in a couple of weeks. MODS can you move please?

[tricked]

Awesome thread ! Yes mods, please move this to appropriate section so it doesn't get lost

My questions I still have:

* who the hell was John Scott ACTUALLY working for?
* what were those aleph symbols meaning?
* what happened to Olivia's father and his birthday cards?
* who is Kyle Richard Beltran?
* who was the Northwoods group?
* how did the Rogue know about the Beacon?
* what exactly IS the Beacon and what information does it transmit?
* why haven't we further interrogated Mitchell Loeb, Easterbrook, and what happened to the dude that was cloning people in Same Old Story and all those clones?

Personally, I still think there is a lot to be found out about John Scott. I know he won't be coming back as a character, but he knew A LOT of stuff. So did Broyles. And Broyles still hasn't fessed up about what he knows.

Now, my opinion is basically inline with what others have said here ... that the RedVerse is experimenting on the BlueVerse. But I also think that Walternate knows something else .... it wasn't Walter taking Peter and tearing the fabric between the two dimensions that started their blight. It was HIM. He did it. Not Walter taking Peter. The laws of physics breaking down in his own universe wasn't caused ultimately by Walter making one move. That is why we don't see the same thing happening on our side ... it is only happening over there. Walternate covers over this secret ... telling everyone else that it is due to our dimension messing with theirs. But not so. We are the lab for the RedVerse ... but we did not cause the ailments their universe is suffering from.

Once Walter stole Peter ... Walternate exploited the dimensional ripping by using our world as his lab. The effects on his side are caused by HIS ACTIONS ... not Walters . At least, that's my opinion. And I'm guessing we will find that out before the end of this season.

Now, to be sure, a balance was upset. The Observer knows this. BUT ... the balance was that Peter was allowed to live at all. He should have died on BOTH SIDES. It wasn't the Observer being noticed by Walternate that messed up the Balance ... it was the Observer being noticed by WALTER peering through the dimensional looking glass that upset the balance and caused the ripple of effects which are now being corrected.

The bottom line, is that the First People and the Observers are the ones calling the shots ... they are trying to let both universes destroy themselves so that the third universe can be theirs. Etc and so forth. It's a wild theory ... I know lol ... but I just think the plot is becoming way too predictable and simplified and we are up for some real treats next season. And one of those treats is going to be that we have been focussing on the Red and Blue destroying each other ... but we have been asking the wrong questions and misdirected by the writers. Bottom line ... don't believe anything Walternate says or does. The Observers are not to be trusted either. And I think the questions posed in Season One that have yet to be answered will tie back to the real string-pullers ... the FP and the Observers and what they know and their agenda.

Does this mean there will be an alliance between the Red and Blue worlds? IDK. Maybe on some level ... the two fringe divisions teaming up to go after a common enemy ... but IDK.

Again, yes I know it's all wild speculation ... I could easily change my mind in the next five minutes as well lol

[RaulYbarra]

Tricked,

I've been asking similar questions since the end of the second season. It's not just Loeb, Jones, ZFT. But what about Colonel Gorden from the season 2 episode Fracture? First of all, it sure looks to me like there at least another group besides Fringe Division preparing/involved in the battle of the universes. Incidentally, remember that the colonel warned that (in effect) the Observers are the enemy and the contents of that briefcase would destroy us all -- and it contained pictures of Walter (Walternate?). So who is the real enemy?

Some other questions I've got... who really wrote ZFT? Bell or Walternate? Remember that was Bell's typewriter with the offset 'y'. What about the Observer child? What was behind the removal of the bits of Walter's brain? (Yes, to stop what he was becoming, but what was he becoming??? Merely the AU Walter?)

Later,
Raul

[tricked]

One of the recent producer interviews confirmed that Walter's crossing was the cause of all of the AU Fringe events.

The Observer's mistake would have left Peter dead. If Peter needed to die to restore balance, why save him from the lake?

If this is indeed true, then would this be considered a spoiler? .... one of the producers confirming or denying something that would otherwise be debatable to a viewer who only watches the shows and nothing more?

If it is ... this is the first spoiler I wish I hadn't read, because it ruins half of my "theories of the day" lol

I was beginning to form the theory that Waltnerate was actually responsible for all the AU misfortunes.

It does make one wonder if September really made a mistake or was it a purposeful mistake.

Well, if the show is to be taken at face value, yes ... he made a mistake.

Although, if the show has more secrets laden beneath, I've been wondering the same thing. His entire talk with Walter in "firefly" left me wondering if he was putting on a show for the "experiment" for example ... feeding Walter some nonsense to settup the control, so to speak.

Tricked,

I've been asking similar questions since the end of the second season. It's not just Loeb, Jones, ZFT. But what about Colonel Gorden from the season 2 episode Fracture? First of all, it sure looks to me like there at least another group besides Fringe Division preparing/involved in the battle of the universes. Incidentally, remember that the colonel warned that (in effect) the Observers are the enemy and the contents of that briefcase would destroy us all -- and it contained pictures of Walter (Walternate?). So who is the real enemy?

Some other questions I've got... who really wrote ZFT? Bell or Walternate? Remember that was Bell's typewriter with the offset 'y'. What about the Observer child? What was behind the removal of the bits of Walter's brain? (Yes, to stop what he was becoming, but what was he becoming??? Merely the AU Walter?)

Later,
Raul

One of my biggest issues with all the theories that abounded in Season One ... is that they seemingly left so many questions unanswered, and clues unaccounted for. It almost made the series not worth watching at that "level of intensity" for the person who wanted the show to almost be a game or something.

I became disenfranchised, and stopped looking so deeply into all the shows little clues and eastereggs. Every now and then, like today ... I wonder if they will again tie things back to the holes left open throughout the seasons. But perhaps not. It would really speak volumes for the writers if they COULD ... and I still have that glimmer of hope.

Perhaps we will see answers. But I seriously doubt it

[Omniscient_Jay]

One of my biggest issues with all the theories that abounded in Season One ... is that they seemingly left so many questions unanswered, and clues unaccounted for. It almost made the series not worth watching at that "level of intensity" for the person who wanted the show to almost be a game or something.

I became disenfranchised, and stopped looking so deeply into all the shows little clues and eastereggs. Every now and then, like today ... I wonder if they will again tie things back to the holes left open throughout the seasons. But perhaps not. It would really speak volumes for the writers if they COULD ... and I still have that glimmer of hope.

Perhaps we will see answers. But I seriously doubt it

In these matters, I have resolved to reserve judgment until the series finale to see whether the writers have held up their end of the bargain.

Because they technically have from episode 3.13 to the final episode of he series to reveal the answers to everything that they have currently left in the air.