Official 3.15 "Subject 13" Discussion Thread

***AnimeArchAngel*** · 02-25-2011, 07:46 PM

Fringe: Season 3 Episode 15
3.15 "Subject 13"

Fringe "Subject 13" - 9/8c (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT)

This follow-up to last season’s “Peter” flashback episode revisits a poignant period of time for both the Bishops and Olivia in the all-new “Subject 13” episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Feb. 25 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

Cast: Anna Torv as Olivia Dunham; Joshua Jackson as Peter Bishop; John Noble as Walter Bishop; Lance Reddick as Phillip Broyles; Blair Brown as Nina Sharp; Jasika Nicole as Astrid Farnsworth.

Guest Cast: Orla Brady as Elizabeth Bishop

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**fringe dork** · 02-26-2011, 07:44 AM

So now it makes sense...And I was wondering how Walternate found out about our universe...
I want to know how Olivia and Peter don't remember a thing!I mean those were intense events...

**Ellie_B** · 02-26-2011, 08:21 AM

So they gave us a few answers and like a million new questions! I want to know why Walter and Bell were conducting the Cortexiphan trials and were preparing children for soldiers, when Walternate didn't know about the existence of our universe until Olive crossed over.
As for Peter and Olivia not remembering, I really hope we'll get an answer to that. I'm also wondering if Walter remembers it? I think that he does... It was so good to see Peter and Olivia's instant connection

And the scene in the field of tulips was beautifully done.
I didn't get the meaning of that "beguiling" comment from Walter when Peter first saw Olivia

???

**Pyrite** · 02-26-2011, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ellie_B

I didn't get the meaning of that "beguiling" comment from Walter when Peter first saw Olivia

???

Maybe he was just commenting on how Peter seemed to be drawn to her instantly.

Anyone else think that Walter seemed oddly cuddly for someone conducting illegal drug trials on children?

**marifly** · 02-26-2011, 08:35 AM

It was a slow episode, but interesting. I missed the regular cast though.

I'm wondering, how is it that Peter and Olivia don't remember any of this? Peter knew he was from another universe, how did he forget that? Olivia was experimented on every day for a while, how has she forgotten this? In the pilot, when she meets Walter and his son Peter, why doesn't she remember Dr. Walter that she spent so much time with as a child, and his son Peter that she clearly bonded with? I'm not gonna let it ruin anything for me, but it does bother me.

Great twist in the end with Olivia crossing over in Walter's office, I did not see that coming. A good way to explain how Walternate found out about the other universe.

Originally Posted by Ellie_B

I want to know why Walter and Bell were conducting the Cortexiphan trials and were preparing children for soldiers, when Walternate didn't know about the existence of our universe until Olive crossed over.

I'm guessing maybe Walter started experimenting on children for the first time after he stole Peter from the other universe so he could find a way to bring him back again. Then, when he didn't succeed in bringing Peter back he and Bell started preparing for a war between the universes because Walter knew that Walternate would do anything to get Peter back to the universe where he belonged.

Walter crossing over is what made the universes fragile and him taking Peter was the reason for them needing to make soldiers of the children to protect our universe.

I could be wrong though, this is just how I made sense of it, feel free to correct me.

**kj31428** · 02-26-2011, 11:45 AM

Does anybody know what Walternate is working on his Florida experiments, versus our Walter's?

The only thing I can think of is that Walternate absolutely refuses to use Cortexiphan on kids when Faux Brandon Fayette suggests it, so I'm guessing they haven't revealed this part of the story - but I'm not sure....

Anybody remember anything else about it?

**AmyL** · 02-26-2011, 12:34 PM

Walternate's Florida experiments were at Bishop Dynamic, so I assumed he was just creating technological marvels in general.

**Arco** · 02-26-2011, 08:51 AM

The Cortexiphan trials were supposed to have begun in 1981, & judging by the video of Olivia that we've seen Walter watch twice before, that seems correct. Peternate was not stolen until 1985 so the trials weren't because of Peter.

This was supposed to be the tweet during the episode:
TWITTER Q: Always wondered why Peter and Olivia didn't remember the experiments. Will this ep explain?
JEFF ANSWER:Repressed childhood trauma.

I was willing to give The Powers That Be some slack on the memory issue when the story line was that Olivia was only 3-5 years old during the trials, but now that we know that Olivia was still a subject when she was about 9 years old, I need a better explanation. Miss Photographic Memory can't remember anything about the daycare because of repressed childhood trauma? Yet she remembered shooting her abusive stepfather--& I would consider that probably worse than anything that she went through at the daycare.