Official 3.15 "Subject 13" Discussion Thread

[Deneph]

I thought there was a lot of yellow surrounding Peter when he was waiting in the cubby area. The table he was sitting at and the bookshelf in front and to the left of him. Sorry, not a screen-cap expert...

Also, several Rubix cubes in this episode...

I noticed a lot of green. The kitchen in the redverse was very green as was Elizabeth's shirt. Peter's shirt was green and blue. I want to say there was something else but I can't remember now.
One thing with yellow, in Olivia's drawing she's wearing an orange shirt, red and yellow. Peter's was green but I keep thinking of the green and blue shirt. I'm wondering if there won't be teams later on. Red and yellow vs Blue and Green.

[Subject 9]

Did anyone else notice the puzzle Walter had Olivia try to solve when trying to 'trigger' her? Originally, I thought I had seen Olivia complete it as an adult, without knowing how..... but now I am wondering if it was actually Lost or Alias? Can any JJ fans confirm?

My main complaint with this episode is that the kids were too old. I thought Olivia shot her step dad when she was 9? This was obviously supposed to be before then, but the girl was too old. I always pictured her as four or five.....

That being said, I thought it was a great episode which gives Peter and Olivia a bit of back history. A little surprise at the end, which explains how Walternate finds out about the Altverse.

[Polka Dot Gene]

I reserved judgement on this one until I watched it just now for the second time on DVD, but I confess it makes no more sense to me this time as it did the first time I watched.

Firstly though, to answer an early question on this thread - there is a scene with Walter and Elizabeth where he talks about how frightened he is that eventually the other side will figure out where Peter was taken and come to retrieve him and take their revenge. He would, so he assumes Walternate would, too. That's why they're preparing the children for soldiers and expecting a war.

As others have questioned, the timeline on this makes no sense whatsoever. It hardly seems likely that children of Peter and Olivia's age would forget such traumatic events. What irks me most is that this could have been sorted so easily. All you'd have to do was have Walter make them forget in some way. We know he's capable of it.

Why do they keep calling her Olivia - and why are her storage boxes marked as such? We know from previous episodes that she was called Olive and we've seen evidence that they marked her things that way, too.

Walter acts surprised when Olivia sets the room on fire and spends a lot of time figuring out that the emotion that makes her cross over is fear - rather than loneliness or joy of whatever. But we know from previous episodes that the first time Olivia set fire to a room was a hugely traumatic event and she was much younger. So Walter can hardly be surprised that she did it this time. And you would think he'd have figured out what triggered it long before she reached the age she was in this episode.

And his warning to Olivia's stepfather seems to have fallen on deaf ears if he was still being so abusive years later that Olivia had to shoot him. It seems unlikely Walter didn't know that the abuse was continuing, but he seems not to have acted on his warning.

It's just a jumble that doesn't fit together.